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Berkshirelad
QUOTE (newres @ May 9 2019, 05:37 AM) *
The public didnít vote for ďno dealĒ. Find a single instance of a Leave campaigner that said weíd leave with no access to the single market or weíd remove frictionless trade. Find a single instance of a Leave leader saying weíd be worse off.


You don't need a Leave campaigner to say it. The Government's own propaganda made it very clear. No single market, no customs union, etc.
newres
QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ May 9 2019, 03:14 PM) *
You don't need a Leave campaigner to say it. The Government's own propaganda made it very clear. No single market, no customs union, etc.

That was what the government warned would happen, but remain said it wouldn't. That's the point. If Leave had campaigned for no single market, no customs union and acceptance of a recession we wouldn't be having this debate.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 9 2019, 03:21 PM) *
That was what the government warned would happen, but remain said it wouldn't. That's the point. If Leave had campaigned for no single market, no customs union and acceptance of a recession we wouldn't be having this debate.


Answer me this one question Mr Newres. Say we have another referendum and it is "legally binding" and leave win. Do you then think that should be ignored as well as you and your #fbpe friends think differently? Just wondering....

Interestingly I have also had to block EU propaganda that is being promoted EVERY day on my Twitter feed.. anyone would think some dark shadowy globalisation type figures were funding it all....😂
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 9 2019, 03:36 PM) *
Answer me this one question Mr Newres. Say we have another referendum and it is "legally binding" and leave win. Do you then think that should be ignored as well as you and your #fbpe friends think differently? Just wondering....

Interestingly I have also had to block EU propaganda that is being promoted EVERY day on my Twitter feed.. anyone would think some dark shadowy globalisation type figures were funding it all....😂

I've no idea what #fbpe is, but if there was another referendum and leave won either May's deal or No deal I think that's what should happen. We now know what is achievable in terms of a deal (not much without free movement) and the likely cost.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 9 2019, 03:47 PM) *
I've no idea what #fbpe is, but if there was another referendum and leave won either May's deal or No deal I think that's what should happen. We now know what is achievable in terms of a deal (not much without free movement) and the likely cost.


It's no coincidence that we are conquering the football field in Europe now we have voted to leave....🤣🤣🤣
Biker1
QUOTE (Strafin @ May 9 2019, 02:09 PM) *
Referendums aren't elections though. They are just opinion polls. So whilst our government said they would enact the result, they were under no legal obligation to.
That's the difference.

So a pointless wast of time, effort and money then?
And even more reason not to have another one?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 9 2019, 03:47 PM) *
I've no idea what #fbpe is, but if there was another referendum and leave won either May's deal or No deal I think that's what should happen. We now know what is achievable in terms of a deal (not much without free movement) and the likely cost.


Yeah right. As an extremist remainer I'm sure you don't know what #fbpe means.... 😂🤣
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 9 2019, 09:41 PM) *
Yeah right. As an extremist remainer I'm sure you don't know what #fbpe means.... 😂🤣


I'm still trying to get to grips with the hashtag meaning. laugh.gif Guess we are now in the age of the "acronym", officially known as the Anthropocene, but as most are still emerging from the Pleistocene we won't confuse the poor dears.
Turin Machine
"Standing for "Follow Back Pro Europe", it's a twitter movement consisting of sore Remoaners from the UK's 2016 EU referendum (Brexit) who want to ignore the original result to leave the EU and either tear up Article 50 and remain in the EU or keep having more referendums until they get the remain result they want.

Originally intended as a movement just for the remain argument, it has also become a hotbed for Blairite and centrist MP's and figureheads that use the movement to rally support for their failed neoliberalism politics.

As a result encounters with those on twitter with #FBPE hashtags can in most cases be rude or out of touch with the plight of millions suffering from UK austerity policies, and ignore every issue the UK faces other than brexit."

Is about right.
Turin Machine
Saddened to see that whilst most of the EU's economies are red lining ours is steadily improving. 🤣
Andy Capp
QUOTE (newres @ May 9 2019, 03:21 PM) *
That was what the government warned would happen, but remain said it wouldn't. That's the point. If Leave had campaigned for no single market, no customs union and acceptance of a recession we wouldn't be having this debate.

Iím not arguing we should leave without a deal, Iím arguing that parliament sabotaged the negotiations by removing a bargaining tool.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 10 2019, 12:21 PM) *
Saddened to see that whilst most of the EU's economies are red lining ours is steadily improving. 🤣

Don't tell remainers that. It's all a lie. Oh and it's also cos you and me stocked up on 6 months of goods in fear of the impending end of civilisation... 🤣🤣🤣
Andy Capp
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 10 2019, 12:21 PM) *
Saddened to see that whilst most of the EU's economies are red lining ours is steadily improving. 🤣

Do you mean flatlining?
Turin Machine
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 10 2019, 10:21 PM) *
Do you mean flatlining?

Yes sir, I probably do. Although red lining sounds more dramatic. 😃
Biker1
"Flat lining" in medical terms means you're dead doesn't it? wacko.gif
Turin Machine
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 11 2019, 06:39 AM) *
"Flat lining" in medical terms means you're dead doesn't it? wacko.gif

flatlining definition: 1. the condition of being at a very low level and not increasing.

Pretty much sums up the EU. 😎
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 11 2019, 03:04 PM) *
flatlining definition: 1. the condition of being at a very low level and not increasing.

Pretty much sums up the EU. 😎

Did anyone see that BBC4 documentary on the EU the other day. Worth a look if you didn't.. really interesting stuff...
TallDarkAndHandsome
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1125396/B...Guy-Verhofstadt

Basically... let's drag this out for as long as possible so we can get p1ssed a lot and claim huge expenses...

W@nkers...


TallDarkAndHandsome
And this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/WalkerMarcus/sta...837587879112705

newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 11 2019, 06:10 PM) *

No sense of humour on the right. Aside from anything we were far from kicked out.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 11 2019, 06:35 PM) *
No sense of humour on the right. Aside from anything we were far from kicked out.

Imagine a Brexiteer sneering about the EU like that? Front page news and the remainers would be in meltdown. No sense of balance these remoaners... do as we say... not as we do...
TallDarkAndHandsome
Love a Guardian article me....😂😂😂😂😂

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/...r-combined-poll



newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 11 2019, 06:42 PM) *
Imagine a Brexiteer sneering about the EU like that? Front page news and the remainers would be in meltdown. No sense of balance these remoaners... do as we say... not as we do...

I donít need to imagine it. Itís a daily thing. Farage every time he speaks in the EU Parliament for a start. And incidentally you do know heíll be keeping his EU pension.

It is very frustrating at the moment though because Labour is very much a Remain party and Iím quite certain that if a confirmatory referendum was offered by them they would be on a par with the Brexit party. Itís mad because if Farage polls 30% and is a clear leader it will be claimed as a win for no deal despite the average poll since 2017 giving remain an average 8 point lead. Corbynís game is the destruction of the Tories at whatever the cost.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 03:03 PM) *
I donít need to imagine it. Itís a daily thing. Farage every time he speaks in the EU Parliament for a start. And incidentally you do know heíll be keeping his EU pension.

It is very frustrating at the moment though because Labour is very much a Remain party and Iím quite certain that if a confirmatory referendum was offered by them they would be on a par with the Brexit party. Itís mad because if Farage polls 30% and is a clear leader it will be claimed as a win for no deal despite the average poll since 2017 giving remain an average 8 point lead. Corbynís game is the destruction of the Tories at whatever the cost.

This!
BBC News - Damian Hinds: European elections 'ultimate protest vote'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48243645
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 03:03 PM) *
I donít need to imagine it. Itís a daily thing. Farage every time he speaks in the EU Parliament for a start. And incidentally you do know heíll be keeping his EU pension.

It is very frustrating at the moment though because Labour is very much a Remain party and Iím quite certain that if a confirmatory referendum was offered by them they would be on a par with the Brexit party. Itís mad because if Farage polls 30% and is a clear leader it will be claimed as a win for no deal despite the average poll since 2017 giving remain an average 8 point lead. Corbynís game is the destruction of the Tories at whatever the cost.

But what if UKIP, the Brexit Party, and the Conservatives deliver 50%? And that's without Labour? What then... does that mean the polls are as always b0llocks, because a lot of people don't want to put a head above the parapet and get called thick and racist? What then? Just ban people from voting if they don't have the "right" opinion???
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 03:03 PM) *
I donít need to imagine it. Itís a daily thing. Farage every time he speaks in the EU Parliament for a start. And incidentally you do know heíll be keeping his EU pension.

It is very frustrating at the moment though because Labour is very much a Remain party and Iím quite certain that if a confirmatory referendum was offered by them they would be on a par with the Brexit party. Itís mad because if Farage polls 30% and is a clear leader it will be claimed as a win for no deal despite the average poll since 2017 giving remain an average 8 point lead. Corbynís game is the destruction of the Tories at whatever the cost.


I also think the Brexit party will poll nearer 40 percent. 34 percent in the polls.. you can add 6 percent who are not saying...
Turin Machine
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 12 2019, 03:34 PM) *
But what if UKIP, the Brexit Party, and the Conservatives deliver 50%? And that's without Labour? What then... does that mean the polls are as always b0llocks, because a lot of people don't want to put a head above the parapet and get called thick and racist? What then? Just ban people from voting if they don't have the "right" opinion???

Very few will vote Tory, slightly more will vote labour, almost no one will vote UKIP (as a party it's now useless), lot of people will vote brexit. Polls (usually a load of wishful codswallop) indicate more votes for brexit than Tory and labour combined.
Turin Machine
Nippy Nige,

"Asked why he did not advocate a no-deal Brexit at the time of the EU referendum in 2016, Mr Farage said: "Because it was obvious that we could do a free trade deal.

"The problem is the prime minister never asked for it, so we finished up in the mess that we're in," he said.

"She chose to go for this close and special partnership. Basically right from the start she was happy for us to be kept very close to the customs union".

"So where we are now, the only way the democratic will of the people can be delivered is to leave on a WTO (World Trade Organization) deal."


newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 04:36 PM) *
Nippy Nige,

"Asked why he did not advocate a no-deal Brexit at the time of the EU referendum in 2016, Mr Farage said: "Because it was obvious that we could do a free trade deal.

"The problem is the prime minister never asked for it, so we finished up in the mess that we're in," he said.

"She chose to go for this close and special partnership. Basically right from the start she was happy for us to be kept very close to the customs union".

"So where we are now, the only way the democratic will of the people can be delivered is to leave on a WTO (World Trade Organization) deal."

Did you see his interview on Andrew Marr? He doesnít stand up to scrutiny at all. His position on Brexit has shifted and he lied to cover it then eventually saying it was all because May messed it up. The truth was always that without free movement it was always going to be that way.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 05:21 PM) *
Did you see his interview on Andrew Marr? He doesnít stand up to scrutiny at all. His position on Brexit has shifted and he lied to cover it then eventually saying it was all because May messed it up. The truth was always that without free movement it was always going to be that way.

If Marr had asked about the elections rather than what he said ten years ago it might have been a relevant interview. But he didn't.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 05:30 PM) *
If Marr had asked about the elections rather than what he said ten years ago it might have been a relevant interview. But he didn't.

It would be akin to asking Corbyn why he thinks Venezuela is a paradise of socialism...🤣
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 05:30 PM) *
If Marr had asked about the elections rather than what he said ten years ago it might have been a relevant interview. But he didn't.

Was it not right to ask him why he is now campaigning for no deal rather than a deal? Itís the crux of the issue and a betrayal of those who voted leave in good faith believing the EU would capitulate to our demands. You saw the clip played and his lying that he was arguing for no deal before the referendum. Once he started being shifty Marr asked him other awkward questions. Heís been unchallenged for weeks on the no deal lie.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 12 2019, 05:38 PM) *
It would be akin to asking Corbyn why he thinks Venezuela is a paradise of socialism...🤣

He needs to account for his change of position on deal v no deal.
Turin Machine
The EU might, in fact very well may have capitulated on a deal, if certain parties hadn't insisted in taking away the only tool we had to ensure that they did, the threat of a no deal.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 05:58 PM) *
He needs to account for his change of position on deal v no deal.

He's always said, right from the beginning, "no deal is better than a bad deal".
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 06:24 PM) *
The EU might, in fact very well may have capitulated on a deal, if certain parties hadn't insisted in taking away the only tool we had to ensure that they did, the threat of a no deal.

No deal was only removed a few weeks ago.
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 06:25 PM) *
He's always said, right from the beginning, "no deal is better than a bad deal".

Got a link to where he says this? The BBC couldnít find anything. His position was always that we could have any deal we wanted.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 07:25 PM) *
Got a link to where he says this? The BBC couldnít find anything. His position was always that we could have any deal we wanted.

Face it fella... we are all doomed... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 12 2019, 07:31 PM) *
Face it fella... we are all doomed... 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Itís about honesty though isnít it. What was campaigned for has been shown to be undeliverable. To some that was always evident. Gove has accepted it.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 07:36 PM) *
Itís about honesty though isnít it. What was campaigned for has been shown to be undeliverable. To some that was always evident. Gove has accepted it.

And how are the Conservatives doing as a result? Doubt they will poll ten percent...Still don't think you really understand. Not everyone's God is the EU and a lot of people understand the consequences of leaving on WTO and would still rather just go...

Short term pain... long term gain.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 07:25 PM) *
Got a link to where he says this? The BBC couldnít find anything. His position was always that we could have any deal we wanted.

"Making the case for the UK to leave the EU, the UKIP leader argued the 28-member union was "done for" economically and that even if UK firms had tariffs imposed on them after leaving, this would cost less than the amount the UK was currently giving to Brussels.'

"No deal is better than the rotten deal that we have at the moment," he said."
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 08:25 PM) *
"Making the case for the UK to leave the EU, the UKIP leader argued the 28-member union was "done for" economically and that even if UK firms had tariffs imposed on them after leaving, this would cost less than the amount the UK was currently giving to Brussels.'

"No deal is better than the rotten deal that we have at the moment," he said."

He wasnít advocating no deal, he was saying this in his defence when it was put to him that he wouldnít get a deal without free movement etc. He also told us weíd be better off but now he and others say there will be pain.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 08:35 PM) *
He wasnít advocating no deal, he was saying this in his defence when it was put to him that he wouldnít get a deal without free movement etc. He also told us weíd be better off but now he and others say there will be pain.

Sfunny that cos when he said "no deal is better than a rotten deal (in June 2016) it sounded a lot like he advocated no deal, (in preference to a rotten deal). But then remainers always have had this unfortunate habit of not listening to anyone except themselves.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 08:48 PM) *
Sfunny that cos when he said "no deal is better than a rotten deal (in June 2016) it sounded a lot like he advocated no deal, (in preference to a rotten deal). But then remainers always have had this unfortunate habit of not listening to anyone except themselves.

Indeed... they live in a remainers echo chamber. That's why they created the #fbpe hashtag... so they could all agree how intelligent they all were and how everyone else was a stupid xenophobe. It must be a mighty shock to them now reality is biting....
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 08:48 PM) *
Sfunny that cos when he said "no deal is better than a rotten deal (in June 2016) it sounded a lot like he advocated no deal, (in preference to a rotten deal). But then remainers always have had this unfortunate habit of not listening to anyone except themselves.

Why is it that the ďhadĒ make out that all along they voted for something that was never mentioned at the time. We could have a better deal than Norway because weíre British he said. Paraphrasing obviously. Heís finally being called out on it and he didnít like it one little bit.

Heís obviously going to do well in the EU elections. There really is only way out of him claiming the election is a second referendum and thatís to call a second referendum.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 09:07 PM) *
Why is it that the ďhadĒ make out that all along they voted for something that was never mentioned at the time. We could have a better deal than Norway because weíre British he said. Paraphrasing obviously. Heís finally being called out on it and he didnít like it one little bit.

Heís obviously going to do well in the EU elections. There really is only way out of him claiming the election is a second referendum and thatís to call a second referendum.


So what your saying is... if pro brexit parties garner over 50 percent of the vote we should have a 3rd vote... I can see where this is heading...🤣🤣🤣
SirWilliam
Won't make a ha'p'orth of difference whatever the outcome of the MEP election is as parliament will not agree a no deal exit anymore than May's deal, which conveniently leaves staying in, but even that has to be drip fed to those ungrateful idiots who voted leave over the next 5 years in the hope that most will be in advanced stages of dementia by then. Still JC has the right idea in "buying" the yoof vote, (especially using other peoples money), so maybe the same principle should be applied to brexit? Free oranges for remainers? rolleyes.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ May 12 2019, 10:05 PM) *
Won't make a ha'p'orth of difference whatever the outcome of the MEP election is as parliament will not agree a no deal exit anymore than May's deal, which conveniently leaves staying in, but even that has to be drip fed to those ungrateful idiots who voted leave over the next 5 years in the hope that most will be in advanced stages of dementia by then. Still JC has the right idea in "buying" the yoof vote, (especially using other peoples money), so maybe the same principle should be applied to brexit? Free oranges for remainers? rolleyes.gif

We need to change parliament. At least that's something remainers and brexiteers agree on. Whether we would end up In another sh1t show of a hung parliament is a worry though...
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 12 2019, 09:13 PM) *
So what your saying is... if pro brexit parties garner over 50 percent of the vote we should have a 3rd vote... I can see where this is heading...🤣🤣🤣

Iím saying the opposite. If Garage wins heíll claim it as a mandate for a no deal Brexit despite the evidence that a majority are for Remain. Thereís only one way out of this mess.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 13 2019, 06:18 AM) *
Iím saying the opposite. If Garage wins heíll claim it as a mandate for a no deal Brexit despite the evidence that a majority are for Remain. Thereís only one way out of this mess.

Is Garage mates with Stormzy? 😂
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