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je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 16 2019, 05:31 AM) *
Dont get abusive. Its not me that was so desperate to score points on the Internet that I felt the need to make statistics up.

Check the data! I did. Where you're proof I'm wrong? You don't have any do you. "Score points on the internet" oh my lord 😂. That's the sort of petty little world you inhabit. Prove me wrong, go on, try
Turin Machine
For heaven's sake! All you have to do is Google 'prosecutions for social media hate crimes'. Guys, it's not difficult. Stop squabbling over nothing. Silly. JSC? Don't rise to him.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 16 2019, 01:58 PM) *
For heaven's sake! All you have to do is Google 'prosecutions for social media hate crimes'. Guys, it's not difficult. Stop squabbling over nothing. Silly. JSC? Don't rise to him.

It's quite funny that someone can actually be so obtuse and expect to be taken seriously by his superior intellectuals on this forum. A bit sad actually.😂
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 16 2019, 01:58 PM) *
For heaven's sake! All you have to do is Google 'prosecutions for social media hate crimes'. Guys, it's not difficult. Stop squabbling over nothing. Silly. JSC? Don't rise to him.

Well I Googled and couldnt find any evidence of 15,000 prosecutions. Nothing came up so its safe to assume hes lying. Sad.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 16 2019, 05:51 PM) *
Well I Googled and couldnt find any evidence of 15,000 prosecutions. Nothing came up so its safe to assume hes lying. Sad.

I found it, simples 🤣 you're either not trying hard enough or, and why would I even think this, your simply trolling. Hmm, I wonder which. Either way, I lost interest a long time ago. Try posting how many prosecutions you did find and post links to prove he's wrong. You know, put the ball in his court.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 16 2019, 08:09 PM) *
I found it, simples 🤣 you're either not trying hard enough or, and why would I even think this, your simply trolling. Hmm, I wonder which. Either way, I lost interest a long time ago. Try posting how many prosecutions you did find and post links to prove he's wrong. You know, put the ball in his court.


That would take time and research. He is probably downloading as much "porn" as possible before the ban starts.🤣🤣

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/ma...fication-launch

Don't worry though newres. If you ask your Dad he will be able to buy you a "porn pass" from the newsagents.😂😂😂
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 16 2019, 08:52 PM) *
That would take time and research. He is probably downloading as much "porn" as possible before the ban starts.🤣🤣

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/ma...fication-launch

Don't worry though newres. If you ask your Dad he will be able to buy you a "porn pass" from the newsagents.😂😂😂

My dad died very recently. Cheers.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2019, 06:34 AM) *
My dad died very recently. Cheers.

If that is true then I feel genuinely sorry for you. If it's a sick wind up then you are repulsive. As you know my situation.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 17 2019, 07:28 AM) *
If that is true then I feel genuinely sorry for you. If it's a sick wind up then you are repulsive. As you know my situation.

Then you ought to have been more sensitive perhaps? As it happens its true.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2019, 08:00 AM) *
Then you ought to have been more sensitive perhaps? As it happens its true.

To be honest I'm not sure if I believe you or not. You troll so much the truth and fiction are blurred.
SirWilliam
Back to topic for a brief moment.
Surely when Parliament voted to take "no deal" off the agenda it was a reversal of the electorate's decision to leave the EU? Those who voted to leave did so with no thought of a "deal" or further debate, just LEAVE!
Based on the premise that parliament has now effectively put two fingers up to the views of the great unwashed one poses the question, will this country conduct a referendum ever again? angry.gif
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 17 2019, 09:27 AM) *
Back to topic for a brief moment.
Surely when Parliament voted to take "no deal" off the agenda it was a reversal of the electorate's decision to leave the EU? Those who voted to leave did so with no thought of a "deal" or further debate, just LEAVE!
Based on the premise that parliament has now effectively put two fingers up to the views of the great unwashed one poses the question, will this country conduct a referendum ever again? angry.gif

I think the upcoming one will be the last one for a couple of generations. The electorate are now thoroughly fed up with traipsing to the polls and I predict a record low turnout for the next general election.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 17 2019, 08:20 AM) *
To be honest I'm not sure if I believe you or not. You troll so much the truth and fiction are blurred.

I dont troll and I dont lie (unlike some). I give my opinions and I argue my case with facts sometimes my views.
newres
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 17 2019, 09:27 AM) *
Back to topic for a brief moment.
Surely when Parliament voted to take "no deal" off the agenda it was a reversal of the electorate's decision to leave the EU? Those who voted to leave did so with no thought of a "deal" or further debate, just LEAVE!
Based on the premise that parliament has now effectively put two fingers up to the views of the great unwashed one poses the question, will this country conduct a referendum ever again? angry.gif

The referendum did not mandate no deal. In fact all of the Leave campaign was about wed get a great deal. And note that Gove wants a deal and BJ doesnt and these were the Leave leaders.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2019, 01:11 PM) *
The referendum did not mandate no deal. In fact all of the Leave campaign was about wed get a great deal. And note that Gove wants a deal and BJ doesnt and these were the Leave leaders.


As far as my diminishing memory serves me the question was "Do you think the UK should remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union"? Remain / Leave was the choice.
Nowhere did it say anything about formulating a deal, favourable or otherwise.
Anyone who was influenced by the tripe spouted by the likes of Johnson, Osborne et al are deserving of chaos.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2019, 01:09 PM) *
I dont troll and I dont lie (unlike some). I give my opinions and I argue my case with facts sometimes my views.

You're not known as Walter Mitty for nothing.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 17 2019, 03:53 PM) *
As far as my diminishing memory serves me the question was "Do you think the UK should remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union"? Remain / Leave was the choice.
Nowhere did it say anything about formulating a deal, favourable or otherwise.
Anyone who was influenced by the tripe spouted by the likes of Johnson, Osborne et al are deserving of chaos.

Exactly, leave or stay, that was the choice. They should have said we're leaving, goodbye. Then sat back and waited for them to fall over themselves offering us a deal. But they didn't, so here we are. And, if they're not careful we could still crash out with no deal whatsoever. The law states we leave on the 29th of this month so short of promising them either an election or a referendum it looks like we're stuck. I was supposed to be in Frankfurt beginning of May talking to a couple of potential suppliers, no point now.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 17 2019, 04:38 PM) *
Exactly, leave or stay, that was the choice. They should have said we're leaving, goodbye. Then sat back and waited for them to fall over themselves offering us a deal. But they didn't, so here we are. And, if they're not careful we could still crash out with no deal whatsoever. The law states we leave on the 29th of this month so short of promising them either an election or a referendum it looks like we're stuck. I was supposed to be in Frankfurt beginning of May talking to a couple of potential suppliers, no point now.


And thereby lies the heart of this fiasco. As a pensioner my position is somewhat ambiguous but had I still been in the workplace I would be tearing my hair out along with everyone else on the single lack of clarity on our position after the end of the month. Gross incompetence somehow doesn't even get close to describing Parliament's handling of the issue.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 17 2019, 04:38 PM) *
Exactly, leave or stay, that was the choice. They should have said we're leaving, goodbye. Then sat back and waited for them to fall over themselves offering us a deal. But they didn't, so here we are. And, if they're not careful we could still crash out with no deal whatsoever. The law states we leave on the 29th of this month so short of promising them either an election or a referendum it looks like we're stuck. I was supposed to be in Frankfurt beginning of May talking to a couple of potential suppliers, no point now.

Leave and wait? Do you run a business? If so how could you countenance such recklessness? What happens when nothing gets in or out? Wed grind to a halt. rolleyes.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2019, 06:25 PM) *
Leave and wait? Do you run a business? If so how could you countenance such recklessness? What happens when nothing gets in or out? Wed grind to a halt. rolleyes.gif

Nothing getting in or out? I didnt realise we were being placed under siege? Are Juncker and co mining the seas and sending wolf packs into the North Atlantic? Tell me more...😂
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 17 2019, 06:31 PM) *
Nothing getting in or out? I didnt realise we were being placed under siege? Are Juncker and co mining the seas and sending wolf packs into the North Atlantic? Tell me more...😂

If we just walked everything leaving our ports would need to be checked, wed have no aircraft arrangements, wed have a huge gulf in our security, wed have no trade arrangements with non EU countries and so on. If you cant see the impact of that then you arent very bright. Im assuming however that youre simply fooling about. Fortunately idiots on Facebook and other social media outlets arent in control.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2019, 06:37 PM) *
If we just walked everything leaving our ports would need to be checked, wed have no aircraft arrangements, wed have a huge gulf in our security, wed have no trade arrangements with non EU countries and so on. If you cant see the impact of that then you arent very bright. Im assuming however that youre simply fooling about. Fortunately idiots on Facebook and other social media outlets arent in control.


Have we not had 2 years to sort out the above? It is the procrastination that is the problem not the result.
newres
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 17 2019, 06:58 PM) *
Have we not had 2 years to sort out the above? It is the procrastination that is the problem not the result.

The delay is caused by one group of 70 nationalist MPs end the nutters in the DUP. Labour and Lib Dems cant block it. I know youre implying that its a Remain Parliament blocking it.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2019, 07:17 PM) *
The delay is caused by one group of 70 nationalist MPs end the nutters in the DUP. Labour and Lib Dems cant block it. I know youre implying that its a Remain Parliament blocking it.

The nationalist MPs that are following the manifestos they were elected on? Those MPs? Not the ones ignoring the referendum result, the manifestos they were elected on and in many cases the constituents they represent. A lot of them will be out of a job after the next GE.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2019, 06:37 PM) *
If we just walked everything leaving our ports would need to be checked, wed have no aircraft arrangements, wed have a huge gulf in our security, wed have no trade arrangements with non EU countries and so on. If you cant see the impact of that then you arent very bright. Im assuming however that youre simply fooling about. Fortunately idiots on Facebook and other social media outlets arent in control.

You miss the point, once you say you're walking they would have moved heaven and **** to get a deal, it's simply not in the EU's interest to let us go no deal. Dicking about with 'will we, won't we' simply shows we're weak and indecisive. If you go to buy a car you don't make your first offer above the advertised price, negotiation 101. It's been a mad scramble to score political points rather than enact the will of the electorate.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2019, 07:17 PM) *
The delay is caused by one group of 70 nationalist MPs end the nutters in the DUP. Labour and Lib Dems cant block it. I know youre implying that its a Remain Parliament blocking it.


Had I thought that then that is what I would have said. Remain is not an option because the referendum annulled that position. If you think we should tear up that piece of legislation because it doesn't fit in with your idealistic views then I respect your opinion but don't encourage the use of political dogma to achieve your means.
Strafin
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 17 2019, 03:53 PM) *
As far as my diminishing memory serves me the question was "Do you think the UK should remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union"? Remain / Leave was the choice.
Nowhere did it say anything about formulating a deal, favourable or otherwise.
Anyone who was influenced by the tripe spouted by the likes of Johnson, Osborne et al are deserving of chaos.

Exactly!

If you believed that the referendum was anything but an opinion poll, or if you thought it would be taken seriously then you should remember that!
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 17 2019, 07:48 PM) *
You miss the point, once you say you're walking they would have moved heaven and **** to get a deal, it's simply not in the EU's interest to let us go no deal. Dicking about with 'will we, won't we' simply shows we're weak and indecisive. If you go to buy a car you don't make your first offer above the advertised price, negotiation 101. It's been a mad scramble to score political points rather than enact the will of the electorate.

If I go to buy a car and I make an offer that's not accepted I just drive home in my old one. I stay where I was in terms of car ownership. If I walk away from Brussels with no deal the sky falls in. We're ****** before we start. Yes, they lose too, but not on anything like the same scale.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 13 2019, 04:17 PM) *
Also.. are you for the "French" police way of dealing with protesters?

And Macron is talking about measures to stop the protests after last weekends fiasco.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 18 2019, 11:59 AM) *
And Macron is talking about measures to stop the protests after last weekends fiasco.

I drove down to Italy the other week on a Saturday. The protests in general are good natured where they still exist. I saw two on roundabouts of the "honk if you support" variety. They've obviously been somewhat hijacked somewhat in Paris, but I really don't get why it's been jumped on by the right wing in this country for some odd reason and I'm not sure that we'd expect protests in London to have major news coverage in France.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 18 2019, 12:56 PM) *
I drove down to Italy the other week on a Saturday. The protests in general are good natured where they still exist. I saw two on roundabouts of the "honk if you support" variety. They've obviously been somewhat hijacked somewhat in Paris, but I really don't get why it's been jumped on by the right wing in this country for some odd reason and I'm not sure that we'd expect protests in London to have major news coverage in France.

It's like any protest really, the initial objective was quickly reached and while some diehards are still determined to make a noise (they keep shutting the viaduct at millau for example) the bulk of the movement has largely been taken over by the thugs out for a fight brigade that always pop up. I have a great deal of sympathy with the original objective, too much of what comes from the heads of governments is for the benefit of the urban elite with little or no concern for more rural communities.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 18 2019, 11:59 AM) *
And Macron is talking about measures to stop the protests after last weekends fiasco.

All sounds a bit "China" to me.
je suis Charlie
Not sure if I agree wholeheartedly with all of this but still worth reading.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy...828001.html?amp
SirWilliam
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47614074

So not so much up the creek without a paddle as in the middle of the english channel without even a b****y boat. Even the late Harry Houdini would scratch his head as how to get out of this one.
Those who said we would never leave please take a bow. cool.gif
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 18 2019, 04:35 PM) *
All sounds a bit "China" to me.

https://www.midilibre.fr/2019/03/18/gilets-...ppe,8076033.php
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 18 2019, 06:30 PM) *
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47614074

So not so much up the creek without a paddle as in the middle of the english channel without even a b****y boat. Even the late Harry Houdini would scratch his head as how to get out of this one.
Those who said we would never leave please take a bow. cool.gif

And, quelle surprise on Thursday it will be announced that the EU have graciously allowed us a 21 month extension to A50. In order for us to have a second **** shower (sorry meant referendum). And so it goes on, and on, and on. Deep joy.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 18 2019, 12:56 PM) *
I drove down to Italy the other week on a Saturday. The protests in general are good natured where they still exist. I saw two on roundabouts of the "honk if you support" variety. They've obviously been somewhat hijacked somewhat in Paris, but I really don't get why it's been jumped on by the right wing in this country for some odd reason and I'm not sure that we'd expect protests in London to have major news coverage in France.

This doesn't sound very 'good natured' to me though.

https://www.midilibre.fr/2019/03/18/blocage...ent,8075571.php
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 18 2019, 06:23 PM) *
Not sure if I agree wholeheartedly with all of this but still worth reading.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy...828001.html?amp

Good link. Corbyn is an **** truth be told.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 18 2019, 09:50 PM) *
Good link. Corbyn is an **** truth be told.

Hopefully not for too much longer.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-d...094546.html?amp
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 18 2019, 10:39 PM) *

I cant imagine a Tory being pleased at that news. Corbyn has been brilliant for the Conservative party.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2019, 03:44 AM) *
I cant imagine a Tory being pleased at that news. Corbyn has been brilliant for the Conservative party.


No argument there; step forward Ms Abbott? rolleyes.gif
je suis Charlie
Difficult to do with her foot in her mouth. Anyway, I hear she's got a new job working for Camelot, as a random number generator.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 19 2019, 10:44 AM) *
Difficult to do with her foot in her mouth. Anyway, I hear she's got a new job working for Camelot, as a random number generator.

Is Boris Johnson retiring?
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2019, 12:02 PM) *
Is Boris Johnson retiring?


Be an interesting experiment in genetics if we could persuade the two of them to breed. tongue.gif
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 19 2019, 01:10 PM) *
Be an interesting experiment in genetics if we could persuade the two of them to breed. tongue.gif

[Shudders]
SirWilliam
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 19 2019, 02:39 PM) *
[Shudders]


Is that a rejection of the idea or a description of the process? laugh.gif
Turin Machine
Now I'm confused, are we? Or not? Short extension? I've just applied for a green card now because I can't trust this government not to crash out. Next stop is international driving permit and of course my travel insurance has gone up.
Berkshirelad
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2019, 06:37 PM) *
If we just walked everything leaving our ports would need to be checked, wed have no aircraft arrangements, wed have a huge gulf in our security, wed have no trade arrangements with non EU countries and so on. If you cant see the impact of that then you arent very bright. Im assuming however that youre simply fooling about. Fortunately idiots on Facebook and other social media outlets arent in control.


Absolute rubbish.

The only additional checking at ports will be if the EU so demands it on entry to the EU. Calais have said they are already ready for this. Aircraft movements would not cease - this myth was put to bed months ago. It is the EU that would have a huge gulf in its security as they would no longer have access to our 5 eyes intelligence. Our security is comparatively easy - we are an island! We already have trade agreements with non-EU countries; these would be rolled over (as Liam Fox is currently doing) or negated by tariff free WTO terms.

Of course they will be an impact - otherwise why bother leaving at all. But I believe that it's a positive impact in the long term
Berkshirelad
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 20 2019, 01:28 PM) *
Now I'm confused, are we? Or not? Short extension? I've just applied for a green card now because I can't trust this government not to crash out. Next stop is international driving permit and of course my travel insurance has gone up.


I'd be interested to know if your insurance company is trying to charge for a Green Card. In theory, they have already had the premium for driving in the EU in your original quote for the current year's insurance
Turin Machine
QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Mar 20 2019, 03:20 PM) *
I'd be interested to know if your insurance company is trying to charge for a Green Card. In theory, they have already had the premium for driving in the EU in your original quote for the current year's insurance

There was no mention of a charge, however, I shall update you when I get it.
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