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newres
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 9 2019, 11:17 AM) *
Really? I was beginning to think it was "Who can be the biggest name caller". To be honest who the h**l cares what we do as long as this particular issue is put to bed once and for all. angry.gif

I do. A no deal Brexit would be a disaster.
James_Trinder
QUOTE (newres @ Jul 9 2019, 12:36 PM) *
I do. A no deal Brexit would be a disaster.


Agreed. Having just watched the leadership contenders debate on ITV I now think that we are all in serious trouble if Boris Johnson becomes leader of the Conservative Party and thence prime minister since his relationship with reality is incredibly tenuous at best and completely lacking at worst.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Jul 9 2019, 09:02 PM) *
Agreed. Having just watched the leadership contenders debate on ITV I now think that we are all in serious trouble if Boris Johnson becomes leader of the Conservative Party and thence prime minister since his relationship with reality is incredibly tenuous at best and completely lacking at worst.

Suggest an alternative...😂😂😂
James_Trinder
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 9 2019, 09:11 PM) *
Suggest an alternative...😂😂😂


It's got to be Jeremy Hunt. At least he appears to be able to answer simple questions directly.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Jul 9 2019, 09:56 PM) *
It's got to be Jeremy Hunt. At least he appears to be able to answer simple questions directly.

Problem is its already over. Most voting forms were sent back b4 tonight. Putin, Trump and Boris...I did predict it..... Putin will be the only one to worry about as the other 2 will just be trading insults on Twitter.🤣
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 9 2019, 10:25 PM) *
Problem is its already over. Most voting forms were sent back b4 tonight. Putin, Trump and Boris...I did predict it..... Putin will be the only one to worry about as the other 2 will just be trading insults on Twitter.🤣


Sign of the times. Just remember for an incompetent politician to reach office it requires an equally obtuse electorate to support them. Even Putin is liked within Russia so learn to live with what comes along. When the icecap melts, the amazon rainforest is destroyed and food is about as rare as a faberge egg in a junk shop it won't make any difference to who is in charge, we will all perish. angry.gif
Berkshirelad
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 10 2019, 09:42 AM) *
Sign of the times. Just remember for an incompetent politician to reach office it requires an equally obtuse electorate to support them. Even Putin is liked within Russia so learn to live with what comes along. When the icecap melts, the amazon rainforest is destroyed and food is about as rare as a faberge egg in a junk shop it won't make any difference to who is in charge, we will all perish. angry.gif



Smile, things could be worse

(so I did and they were!)
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 28 2019, 06:11 PM) *
Have a great time. Eetcafe the paddock.... worth a visit.. I'm sure you are wealthy snuff.😀 Great place to eat.

I did, and it was. Great fish!
newres
I just wondered in view of the falling value of sterling and the stagnating economy how people were feeling about a no deal Brexit now?

Still full of optimism?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Aug 1 2019, 04:04 PM) *
I just wondered in view of the falling value of sterling and the stagnating economy how people were feeling about a no deal Brexit now?

Still full of optimism?

Better than being a depressed remoaner picking any news article they can remotely link to Brexit to whinge about. Eh?
So yep.
je suis Charlie
Look! A squirrel!! laugh.gif
James_Trinder
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 1 2019, 06:35 PM) *
Better than being a depressed remoaner picking any news article they can remotely link to Brexit to whinge about. Eh?
So yep.


I predict that nothing will happen until the end of October. Up until that point Boris will bluster and achieve nothing. He will then try to leave without a deal, which Parliament will reject. What happens after that point will be more interesting and will be not quite as easy to predict.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Aug 2 2019, 01:40 PM) *
I predict that nothing will happen until the end of October. Up until that point Boris will bluster and achieve nothing. He will then try to leave without a deal, which Parliament will reject. What happens after that point will be more interesting and will be not quite as easy to predict.

Quite easy fella. General Election. Brexit Party and Conservatives join forces. Liberals and Greens join forces and ask Labour but Corbyn rejects and fields candidates. Lib/Lab vote is split and a hard no deal Brexit follows. Jeremy Corbyn will in the end ensure a no deal hard Brexit. Which he has wanted all along.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Aug 2 2019, 01:40 PM) *
I predict that nothing will happen until the end of October. Up until that point Boris will bluster and achieve nothing. He will then try to leave without a deal, which Parliament will reject. What happens after that point will be more interesting and will be not quite as easy to predict.


I thought the default position was we leave on the 31st October whether a deal is done or not? What happens after that is a general election without the brexit party which means all the tories vote conservative, The "european at any price" will vote lib dem and Corbyn's new socialist order will go back to pre Blair days.
Parliament can no longer delay brexit so they can huff and puff all they like but we will either leave on the end of October with a deal, without a deal or stay in the union until the end of time.
It is no longer your choice Mr Voter.
newres
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 2 2019, 04:32 PM) *
I thought the default position was we leave on the 31st October whether a deal is done or not? What happens after that is a general election without the brexit party which means all the tories vote conservative, The "european at any price" will vote lib dem and Corbyn's new socialist order will go back to pre Blair days.
Parliament can no longer delay brexit so they can huff and puff all they like but we will either leave on the end of October with a deal, without a deal or stay in the union until the end of time.
It is no longer your choice Mr Voter.

Thatís not correct. There are various options. We could well have a new PM without an election the way the maths are going.
Mr Brown
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 2 2019, 03:48 PM) *
Quite easy fella. General Election. Brexit Party and Conservatives join forces. Liberals and Greens join forces and ask Labour but Corbyn rejects and fields candidates. Lib/Lab vote is split and a hard no deal Brexit follows. Jeremy Corbyn will in the end ensure a no deal hard Brexit. Which he has wanted all along.


Whose been watching the news wires then! Hard to fault the analysis.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Aug 2 2019, 07:26 PM) *
Thatís not correct. There are various options. We could well have a new PM without an election the way the maths are going.

You wish. Who would in your wet dreams would it be?
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 2 2019, 08:11 PM) *
You wish. Who would in your wet dreams would it be?

ABC. Iím hoping Labour will ditch Corbyn before itís too late but Iím not hopeful.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Aug 2 2019, 08:39 PM) *
ABC. Iím hoping Labour will ditch Corbyn before itís too late but Iím not hopeful.

As a Brexiteer I'm desperate they keep him. Corbyn is the most unelectable opposition leader in history. He makes Michael Foot look right wing. Interestingly the Brecon bye election was still won as a percentage of leave v remain by leave. Even after all the warnings. The problem remain have is views are now so entrenched that no amount of scaremongering will work. People have just had enough. Personally I've reached the don't give a sh1t stage. I'll still vote leave but don't actually care now as long as something happens on Oct 31st. Anymore delay and I see civil unrest by both sides! One word of warning though to the EU evangelists. The new plan In the EU into get rid of vetos and have majority voting to implement new laws and regulations. Don't even get me started on what that might mean...
Biker1
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 2 2019, 09:29 PM) *
I've reached the don't give a sh1t stage. I'll still vote leave but don't actually care now

Same here!! rolleyes.gif
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 2 2019, 09:29 PM) *
As a Brexiteer I'm desperate they keep him. Corbyn is the most unelectable opposition leader in history. He makes Michael Foot look right wing. Interestingly the Brecon bye election was still won as a percentage of leave v remain by leave. Even after all the warnings. The problem remain have is views are now so entrenched that no amount of scaremongering will work. People have just had enough. Personally I've reached the don't give a sh1t stage. I'll still vote leave but don't actually care now as long as something happens on Oct 31st. Anymore delay and I see civil unrest by both sides! One word of warning though to the EU evangelists. The new plan In the EU into get rid of vetos and have majority voting to implement new laws and regulations. Don't even get me started on what that might mean...

I donít see anything wrong with majority voting. I honestly donít get the fear. Iím guessing youíre all ok with the EU navy? Itís just hilarious. Or it would be.

Incidentally, other than very isolated incidents, there has been and would be no unrest from the Remain side. Whatever the outcome.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Aug 3 2019, 09:35 AM) *
I donít see anything wrong with majority voting. I honestly donít get the fear. Iím guessing youíre all ok with the EU navy? Itís just hilarious. Or it would be.

Incidentally, other than very isolated incidents, there has been and would be no unrest from the Remain side. Whatever the outcome.


Majority voting opens up the possibility of fraudulent behaviour to get votes. It also stops a country with a veto (us) from having to accept things we don't want. Like the Euro. As for civil unrest, yes I am sure remainers wouldn't do civil unrest. They are too busy being preachy about how intelligent they are and how thick brexiteers are. Some may call it arrogance. I call it facism.
Andy Capp
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 3 2019, 06:21 AM) *
Same here!! rolleyes.gif

An example of why democracy isnít always a good thing.
Biker1
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 4 2019, 09:32 AM) *
An example of why democracy isn’t always a good thing.

Democracy????????? HAH! laugh.gif laugh.gif rolleyes.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 4 2019, 10:53 AM) *
Democracy????????? HAH! laugh.gif laugh.gif rolleyes.gif

Loving the remainers meltdown today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HackedOffHugh/st...740030947287040

One classic example... 😂
James_Trinder
This current government won't make it beyond 31st October so it is probably best to outline their plans sooner rather than later because otherwise they won't get the chance to do so at all.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Aug 28 2019, 11:45 PM) *
This current government won't make it beyond 31st October so it is probably best to outline their plans sooner rather than later because otherwise they won't get the chance to do so at all.

And what will happen after a GE. My guess... a hung parliament with the Tories as the biggest party or a small majority for them. 😂 Won't solve anything...did you see the "protests?" yesterday? Never seen so many middle class white people in one place. Sums it up.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 29 2019, 06:13 AM) *
And what will happen after a GE. My guess... a hung parliament with the Tories as the biggest party or a small majority for them. 😂 Won't solve anything...did you see the "protests?" yesterday? Never seen so many middle class white people in one place. Sums it up.

But someone started a petition! That'll scare Boris off. 😂
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 16 2019, 05:56 PM) *
Your naivety is sweet. He wonít split the Tory party. An electoral pact with Farage would do that.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 wrong again. Me right again. Seems to happen quite a lot.
je suis Charlie
I can see what BJ is doing, but he's playing with fire. Brinkmanship is one thing but he's betting the pot on a pair of eights, gunna crash n burn and hand the whole game over to the dark lord of Marxist chaos.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 2 2019, 11:31 PM) *
I can see what BJ is doing, but he's playing with fire. Brinkmanship is one thing but he's betting the pot on a pair of eights, gunna crash n burn and hand the whole game over to the dark lord of Marxist chaos.

Can't see it myself. Only a 1/4 of the electorate would ever be mad enough to vote in Steptoe. If BJ gets 40 percent of the vote by joining forces with Farage it gets him a comfortable majority. The only way he could lose is if there was a Lib/Lab/Green pact to only deploy 1 candidate on a remain ticket.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 3 2019, 03:00 AM) *
Can't see it myself. Only a 1/4 of the electorate would ever be mad enough to vote in Steptoe. If BJ gets 40 percent of the vote by joining forces with Farage it gets him a comfortable majority. The only way he could lose is if there was a Lib/Lab/Green pact to only deploy 1 candidate on a remain ticket.


Strange bedfellows indeed. If I was Boris I would call an election for the first week in November which would certainly concentrate the minds of the remain brigade who then would have no platform to campaign from. Assuming we have left with "no deal" only a mentally deranged orangutan would vote for corbyn and his brand of economics.
Of course we could all wake up one morning to find the whole thing has just been a bad dream with cameron and osborne still in charge. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 3 2019, 03:00 AM) *
Can't see it myself. Only a 1/4 of the electorate would ever be mad enough to vote in Steptoe. If BJ gets 40 percent of the vote by joining forces with Farage it gets him a comfortable majority. The only way he could lose is if there was a Lib/Lab/Green pact to only deploy 1 candidate on a remain ticket.

I think JC wants to be PM as much as the bufoon. I think therefore he will.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 3 2019, 12:44 PM) *
I think JC wants to be PM as much as the bufoon. I think therefore he will.



Renť Descartes no doubt would approve of the political mindset that seems to be inherent in those who wish to serve. Least it keeps the journalist element employed.
newres
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 3 2019, 12:58 PM) *
Renť Descartes no doubt would approve of the political mindset that seems to be inherent in those who wish to serve. Least it keeps the journalist element employed.

Thought you'd like it. "The cogito".
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 3 2019, 12:44 PM) *
I think JC wants to be PM as much as the bufoon. I think therefore he will.

Two f's in buffoon, buffoon.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 3 2019, 01:19 PM) *
Two f's in buffoon, buffoon.

You would know.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 3 2019, 02:35 PM) *
You would know.

Yes, apparently. But then I did sum speeling at skoole. Mr I've got a literature degree!
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 3 2019, 05:22 PM) *
Yes, apparently. But then I did sum speeling at skoole. Mr I've got a literature degree!

Benyon is no longer a Conservative MP. Was always going to vote for staying in the EU. Didn't want to lose his CAP payments. At least he won't be the Tory MP for Newbury anymore.
je suis Charlie
The whip will be restored, bj will be gone by the weekend.
je suis Charlie
Benyon came across very well on TV today, very credible. And, quarter session court throws out legal attempt to stop prorogation.
James_Trinder
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 3 2019, 10:33 PM) *
At least he won't be the Tory MP for Newbury anymore.


He won't be the Tory MP for Newbury any more but he will still be the MP for Newbury until the next (possibly imminent) general election.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 3 2019, 10:33 PM) *
Benyon is no longer a Conservative MP. Was always going to vote for staying in the EU. Didn't want to lose his CAP payments. At least he won't be the Tory MP for Newbury anymore.

You think he needs the CAP payments? rolleyes.gif
newres
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Sep 4 2019, 10:52 AM) *
He won't be the Tory MP for Newbury any more but he will still be the MP for Newbury until the next (possibly imminent) general election.

It'll be a LibDem MP I suspect. I assume the Greens & LibDems at least will do a deal and the Tories will just keep their extreme vote here.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 4 2019, 10:56 AM) *
You think he needs the CAP payments? rolleyes.gif

I doubt he does. BUT his company benefits directly from CAP. So it is a conflict of interest. And all this rubbish about caring about the poorest of his constituents he has been spouting... yeah.. of course...


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co....ter-3786578.amp





je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 4 2019, 10:58 AM) *
It'll be a LibDem MP I suspect. I assume the Greens & LibDems at least will do a deal and the Tories will just keep their extreme vote here.

That made no sense on any level.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 4 2019, 11:44 AM) *
I doubt he does. BUT his company benefits directly from CAP. So it is a conflict of interest. And all this rubbish about caring about the poorest of his constituents he has been spouting... yeah.. of course...


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co....ter-3786578.amp

It's a consortium, not him personally.

Market rates? Seems fair, it's not a charitable trust.

"Britain’s housing crisis is worsened by weak legal protection for private tenants, who can be forced out of homes they have lived in for years at a few weeks’ notice." Is nonsense and the worst of a poorly written piece of sensationalist tripe.
James_Trinder
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 4 2019, 02:21 PM) *
That made no sense on any level.


Well, it made perfect sense to me. What I understood that newres was trying to say is that the next Newbury MP is likely to be a Liberal Democrat because they will form an electoral pact with the Green Party/Labour Party, whereas the Brexit vote will be divided between a fractured Conservative Party and the Brexit Party locally.
je suis Charlie
James, tell you what, I'll donate £50.00 to a charity of your choice if the Tories lose this seat in the next GE. Fair?
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