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SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 18 2019, 06:35 PM) *
I think if he manages to do that from Newbury he should be knighted. More realistically hell just foam at the mouth like the rest.

On a serious point though, I imagine the Lib Dems will take this seat.


If the election is post brexit their remain ticket will be nil and void so their only real chance is a GE in October, yet they voted against that proposal. I see "call me Dave" is putting in his two-penneth worth by stating that Boris only became a leaver for political reasons which means that he knew the vote was going to go the way it did. Yet he still went ahead with it. rolleyes.gif

Meanwhile the yanks are fearing a recession. Hold onto your hats boys.
James_Trinder
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 19 2019, 07:27 AM) *
This is Tory country, thank God.


Only for the past 14 years.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Sep 19 2019, 10:49 AM) *
Only for the past 14 years.

Libbers got in at the 93 by-election, before that the Tories go back to 1923, so almost a century of stable governance. Tory country.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 19 2019, 11:38 AM) *
Libbers got in at the 93 by-election, before that the Tories go back to 1923, so almost a century of stable governance. Tory country.

County. 😂
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 19 2019, 11:58 AM) *
County. 😂

Id say its definitely there for the taking this time though. Especially with Benyon gone. Good to see some integrity there.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 20 2019, 09:37 PM) *
Id say its definitely there for the taking this time though. Especially with Benyon gone. Good to see some integrity there.

I quite agree. The Liberals will win Newbury. It voted remain in 2016. Personally I couldn't vote for a party that wants to forget the last 3 years and ignore 17 million voters. But people will. I also think the Conservatives will be the biggest party at the next GE and the Liberals will be neck and neck with Labour.
je suis Charlie
Wod on the street is that Boris is set to lose the court case. I wonder if a plan B exists.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 22 2019, 10:23 AM) *
Wod on the street is that Boris is set to lose the court case. I wonder if a plan B exists.

Revoke article 50, join the Euro, abolish the HOL and HOC, set up a remain Vichy type unelected government. Replace the Queen with Merkel. Job done.😉
SirWilliam
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 22 2019, 10:23 AM) *
Wod on the street is that Boris is set to lose the court case. I wonder if a plan B exists.


I thought this was plan B. rolleyes.gif
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 22 2019, 11:50 PM) *
I thought this was plan B. rolleyes.gif

Nope, this is plan "it's all going pearshaped, run for it'.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 23 2019, 11:14 AM) *
Nope, this is plan "it's all going pearshaped, run for it'.

Labour party conference this week. Wonderful new policies.

I'm looking forward to my 32 hour week. They are calling it "Luxury Communism". You don't have to work and everything is free!😂😂
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 23 2019, 07:13 PM) *
Labour party conference this week. Wonderful new policies.

I'm looking forward to my 32 hour week. They are calling it "Luxury Communism". You don't have to work and everything is free!😂😂


According to the small print because the downtrodden proletariat will then be on a par with pensioners the latter will have to return to the workplace in exchange for their remuneration. In a stroke this will save the country billions of corbyn pounds, (the shiney new currency), so poor bunnies who are suffering from workday blues will instantly be able to drown their sorrows in a free pot of "happy" pills from their GP. Of course he won't be there because he too is on a 4 day week but lets not have a few technicalities stand in the way of a god (sic) idea.

If it wasn't so bloody serious it would be quite funny. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 24 2019, 09:13 AM) *
According to the small print because the downtrodden proletariat will then be on a par with pensioners the latter will have to return to the workplace in exchange for their remuneration. In a stroke this will save the country billions of corbyn pounds, (the shiney new currency), so poor bunnies who are suffering from workday blues will instantly be able to drown their sorrows in a free pot of "happy" pills from their GP. Of course he won't be there because he too is on a 4 day week but lets not have a few technicalities stand in the way of a god (sic) idea.

If it wasn't so bloody serious it would be quite funny. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif


Good to see the verdict in the supreme court. The EU rules!! Full integration. Join the Euro. Abolish the HOC and HOL. Get rid of the Royal Family. Be ruled by Brussels directly. Get a European Army. Put Verhofstadt in charge.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 24 2019, 11:46 AM) *
Good to see the verdict in the supreme court. The EU rules!! Full integration. Join the Euro. Abolish the HOC and HOL. Get rid of the Royal Family. Be ruled by Brussels directly. Get a European Army. Put Verhofstadt in charge.

One of the reasons given for trying to leave was that UK law was being subsumed, the UK law has spoken. Accept it.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 24 2019, 09:13 AM) *
According to the small print because the downtrodden proletariat will then be on a par with pensioners the latter will have to return to the workplace in exchange for their remuneration. In a stroke this will save the country billions of corbyn pounds, (the shiney new currency), so poor bunnies who are suffering from workday blues will instantly be able to drown their sorrows in a free pot of "happy" pills from their GP. Of course he won't be there because he too is on a 4 day week but lets not have a few technicalities stand in the way of a god (sic) idea.

If it wasn't so bloody serious it would be quite funny. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

Like the socialist 'soak the rich' trick they tried to reduce the working week in France, didn't work, complete disaster. Bunch of clownshoes the lot of them.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 24 2019, 12:45 PM) *
One of the reasons given for trying to leave was that UK law was being subsumed, the UK law has spoken. Accept it.

I don't as on this occasion the law is an ***. Nor do a lot of other people. This isn't the end.. soon be November 5th.😂
Turin Machine
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 24 2019, 12:45 PM) *
One of the reasons given for trying to leave was that UK law was being subsumed, the UK law has spoken. Accept it.

And here as well.

BBC News - Brexit: 'No evidence' of crimes by Leave.EU and Arron Banks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49807401
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Sep 24 2019, 06:30 PM) *
And here as well.

BBC News - Brexit: 'No evidence' of crimes by Leave.EU and Arron Banks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49807401


That's irrelevant. The liberal stasi have decided they are guilty.
And I actually watched Corbyns speech today.
Oh... My... God
Nationalise everything, 10 quid an hour from 16, 4 day 32 hour week, set up a government pharmacy to produce our own drugs (Can you imagine the lawsuits when they mess up) and my favourite... Full employment rights from the day you join. No probation. Just get a job and go off sick on full pay with depression. 1 day should do it.😂😂😂

I will not work in this Country under that loon.
spartacus
Politics in this country is utterly, utterly fucked... irretrievably so.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (spartacus @ Sep 24 2019, 09:24 PM) *
Politics in this country is utterly, utterly fucked... irretrievably so.

It won't happen now.. it won't happen tomorrow.. but soon the silent majority will take back control. I honestly believe we won't have another election now till 2022. And they may even stop that by some act of parliament. Because they can't trust the people anymore to vote the right way.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 24 2019, 09:35 PM) *
It won't happen now.. it won't happen tomorrow.. but soon the silent majority will take back control. I honestly believe we won't have another election now till 2022. And they may even stop that by some act of parliament. Because they can't trust the people anymore to vote the right way.

Elections a coming son, Corby is currently engaged in a free for all giveaway which the thicko left will love, till it bankrupts the country.
Biker1
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 24 2019, 02:45 PM) *
I don't as on this occasion the law is an ***. Nor do a lot of other people. This isn't the end.. soon be November 5th.😂

What "law" was broken exactly?
Can someone direct me to where it is laid down?
Turin Machine
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 25 2019, 08:46 AM) *
What "law" was broken exactly?
Can someone direct me to where it is laid down?

Remain make up the laws as they go along. A bit like protecting democracy by ignoring 17.4 million votes.
Strafin
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 25 2019, 08:46 AM) *
What "law" was broken exactly?
Can someone direct me to where it is laid down?

When something is found to have no legal standing it isn't about breaking a law, it is more about not following it. Until there is a legal precedent laws are not enshrined anyway, so in this case the actions of Boris Johnson were deemed unlawful, not illegal. Now there is a legal precedent set it will be much easier in the future should the same event happen again.
Strafin
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Sep 25 2019, 11:10 AM) *
Remain make up the laws as they go along. A bit like protecting democracy by ignoring 17.4 million votes.

Or 37% of the electorate..
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 25 2019, 03:53 PM) *
Or 37% of the electorate..

Or 52% of the voting electorate in the highest turnout ever seen in the UK. Unless you make it illegal not to vote your argument is spurious.
We won't vote again anyway. Voting is over. They may as well just appoint Gina Miller and co.
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Sep 24 2019, 06:30 PM) *
And here as well.

BBC News - Brexit: 'No evidence' of crimes by Leave.EU and Arron Banks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49807401

Im not hearing outrage and judges being called traitors by those disappointed by that.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 25 2019, 08:28 PM) *
Im not hearing outrage and judges being called traitors by those disappointed by that.

Don't worry fella. They are working on changing the law so we can't have an election and only the great and good decide policy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...829753690664960

Cry Havoc and Let Slip The Dogs of War.

Mr Brown
It's not criminal, just a branch of civil law. Interesting thought, if Boris 'mislead' HMQ, then Johnnie Major must have done the same, so that will add to the fun. Then, for the future, can we really justify closing parliament for party conferences?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Sep 25 2019, 09:36 PM) *
It's not criminal, just a branch of civil law. Interesting thought, if Boris 'mislead' HMQ, then Johnnie Major must have done the same, so that will add to the fun. Then, for the future, can we really justify closing parliament for party conferences?

No. And they should NOT get 8 weeks off over Summer. Make them sit every fooking day. T0ssers...
Andy Capp
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 25 2019, 03:58 PM) *
Or 52% of the voting electorate in the highest turnout ever seen in the UK. Unless you make it illegal not to vote your argument is spurious.
We won't vote again anyway. Voting is over. They may as well just appoint Gina Miller and co.

More people turned out for the 1992 GE.

The 1975 remain vote was only about ~33,000 fewer, but a much larger majority than in 2016 leave vote.
Turin Machine
It didn't take long to reveal that Alan Rusbridger (ex-editor of the Guardian, Remain voted) supported Gina Miller (who brought the original case against the prorogue, and A50, and everything else about Brexit) and as Principal of Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford, gave Lady Hale (President of the Supreme Court, delivered the verdict yesterday) a Visiting Fellow position at the college in May. It's about as meaningless as the fact 10 of 11 Supreme Court justices voted Remain, but it looks like a conflict of interest and so it'll be perceived as one - the anti-Brexit establishment at work. But I bet that won't be reported because it doesn't fit the narrative.
Biker1
QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 25 2019, 03:47 PM) *
When something is found to have no legal standing it isn't about breaking a law, it is more about not following it. Until there is a legal precedent laws are not enshrined anyway, so in this case the actions of Boris Johnson were deemed unlawful, not illegal. Now there is a legal precedent set it will be much easier in the future should the same event happen again.

Oh I see.
So yes, They ARE making it up as they go!! tongue.gif
Mr Brown
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 26 2019, 08:52 AM) *
Oh I see.
So yes, They ARE making it up as they go!! tongue.gif


Sadly, yes they are. Just as Toni Blair envisaged when he set up the 'Supreme Court' - designed to like the American one. Yet another serious Labour mistake.

We don't have a written constitution, so can't rely on strict interpretation of written precident. Our foundation is common law - what the Supreme Court gave failed to do is look beyond statute. There are common law presidents here, created by both John Major and Clement Attlee.

So, perfectly valid decision against the present constitution of the Court, but it certainly won't clarify any future case, arguably it makes things even more confused.

je suis Charlie
QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Sep 26 2019, 10:36 AM) *
Sadly, yes they are. Just as Toni Blair envisaged when he set up the 'Supreme Court' - designed to like the American one. Yet another serious Labour mistake.

We don't have a written constitution, so can't rely on strict interpretation of written precident. Our foundation is common law - what the Supreme Court gave failed to do is look beyond statute. There are common law presidents here, created by both John Major and Clement Attlee.

So, perfectly valid decision against the present constitution of the Court, but it certainly won't clarify any future case, arguably it makes things even more confused.

Concise, accurate and dare I say, prescient.
je suis Charlie
Jess Phillips MP.

Yesterday;
Jess Phillips has begged Boris Johnson to apologise for his use of language designed to "divide not lead" as she spoke of her grief at Jo Cox's murder.
Today the Labour MPs told the House of Commons: "The use of language yesterday and over the past few weeks such as the surrender bill, such as invoking the war, such as betrayal and treachery, it has clearly been tested, and work-shopped and worked up and entirely designed to inflame hatred and division.
Simper, simper.

Dec 2015;

I would do anything that I felt was going to make the Labour party win the general election because if I dont have that attitude then all Im doing is colluding with the Tories.

If that means making Jeremy better, Ill roll my sleeves up. If thats not going to happen and Ive said [this] to him and to his staff to their faces: The day that ... you are hurting us more than you are helping us, I wont knife you in the back, Ill knife you in the front.

Gets better;

It was widely reported in September that she told the shadow international development secretary, Diane Abbott, to **** off when Phillips confronted the Labour leadership team about the lack of women in senior positions.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Labour!
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 25 2019, 08:57 PM) *
Don't worry fella. They are working on changing the law so we can't have an election and only the great and good decide policy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...829753690664960

Cry Havoc and Let Slip The Dogs of War.

A short term government as described would be one good solution to the problem. Suppose we have an election with another hung parliament? A very likely scenario Im sure youd agree.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 27 2019, 07:03 AM) *
A short term government as described would be one good solution to the problem. Suppose we have an election with another hung parliament? A very likely scenario Im sure youd agree.

So better not ask the great unwashed again eh? The great and the good might not like the outcome...
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 27 2019, 07:48 AM) *
So better not ask the great unwashed again eh? The great and the good might not like the outcome...


You can safely place your undeclared stash on a hung jobbie and even then the left/right/no idea mob would cry foul. No, the most sensible plan is the status quo where the present incumbents slog it out like 18th century pugilists until they retire.
It is only a matter of time before freedom of speech is outlawed along with breathing air on alternate days anyway. rolleyes.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 27 2019, 11:21 AM) *
You can safely place your undeclared stash on a hung jobbie and even then the left/right/no idea mob would cry foul. No, the most sensible plan is the status quo where the present incumbents slog it out like 18th century pugilists until they retire.
It is only a matter of time before freedom of speech is outlawed along with breathing air on alternate days anyway. rolleyes.gif


I'd prefer it if they locked them all in and gave them assorted weapons. Last man or woman standing gets to decide Brexit. All televised (Most likely be PPV).

Be interesting to see wicha are the first ones bumped off.😂
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 27 2019, 01:00 PM) *
I'd prefer it if they locked them all in and gave them assorted weapons. Last man or woman standing gets to decide Brexit. All televised (Most likely be PPV).

Be interesting to see wicha are the first ones bumped off.😂

Wouldn't be Corby, he'd be hiding behind someone else.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 27 2019, 07:48 AM) *
So better not ask the great unwashed again eh? The great and the good might not like the outcome...

So youd welcome a second referendum then?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 27 2019, 03:35 PM) *
So youd welcome a second referendum then?

Yep. As long as the remain vote met some sort of threshold to overturn the original vote.. you know..to show that the Country had changed its mind. Let's make it 60 percent.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 27 2019, 03:39 PM) *
Yep. As long as the remain vote met some sort of threshold to overturn the original vote.. you know..to show that the Country had changed its mind. Let's make it 60 percent.

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TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 27 2019, 04:17 PM) *
laugh.gif

You see... I have a sense of humour..😂
Still prefer the lock em all in the HOC policy.
They could even do the pope white smoke thingy...😂
SirWilliam
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 27 2019, 01:04 PM) *
Wouldn't be Corby, he'd be hiding behind someone else.


Someone who is quite thick, (in stature as opposed to intellect?) "Diane" laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Strafin
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 27 2019, 03:39 PM) *
Yep. As long as the remain vote met some sort of threshold to overturn the original vote.. you know..to show that the Country had changed its mind. Let's make it 60 percent.

Sensible idea though. There's got to be something we can do to move on, a general election wont do it.

TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 27 2019, 06:41 PM) *
Sensible idea though. There's got to be something we can do to move on, a general election wont do it.

No chance of an election. No chance of another referendum.
This country is ******.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 28 2019, 05:38 PM) *
No chance of an election. No chance of another referendum.
This country is ******.

No confidence motion next week, and 3.2.1 and Corby gets the key to #10. That's how ****** we are.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 28 2019, 07:56 PM) *
No confidence motion next week, and 3.2.1 and Corby gets the key to #10. That's how ****** we are.

Yep. TBH on a sort of weird way I'd almost welcome a Corbyn government. Just to see his disciples slowly realise what they have done. Oh and it would last about 18 months and ensure 20 years of Conservative rule after (until the next gullible generation come along).
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