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SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 7 2019, 08:28 PM) *
How did you get to that percentage Sir Will? Are you making it up? Point me to a linky thing that backs this up. Otherwise it's just made up...😂😂😂🤣🤣😋


Like everyone else ,I "plucked" a figure out of the air, added a couple of percentage characters for credence, and instant expertise . cool.gif
Strafin
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 7 2019, 08:28 PM) *
How did you get to that percentage Sir Will? Are you making it up? Point me to a linky thing that backs this up. Otherwise it's just made up...😂😂😂🤣🤣😋

Thing is.. you can laugh and take the mickey, but Sir William, has literally made up a figure and cited it as fact. But if someone questions it, the ridicule goes their way because we live in a post truth world now where lying is not only accepted - on this forum it's encouraged!
SirWilliam
QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 8 2019, 11:51 AM) *
Thing is.. you can laugh and take the mickey, but Sir William, has literally made up a figure and cited it as fact. But if someone questions it, the ridicule goes their way because we live in a post truth world now where lying is not only accepted - on this forum it's encouraged!


Do not recall posting it as fact, more a consensus of opinion. To someone suffering from sight monochromacy black is the same as blue and just because it appears different to you does not in itself prove anything. Back to the brexit farce and it is safe to say that when asked most will express an opinion based around their vote at the time but, and my point being, privately they just want it done and dusted either way
Turin Machine
QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 8 2019, 10:51 AM) *
Thing is.. you can laugh and take the mickey, but Sir William, has literally made up a figure and cited it as fact. But if someone questions it, the ridicule goes their way because we live in a post truth world now where lying is not only accepted - on this forum it's encouraged!

Can you prove that? Or is yet another 'urban myth'?
Strafin
Well just read his post.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 8 2019, 04:44 PM) *
Well just read his post.

But 84% of the under twenty fives think the answer is eleventy. Probably, possibly.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 8 2019, 06:57 PM) *
But 84% of the under twenty fives think the answer is eleventy. Probably, possibly.

And 83% of white over 50s are gammony racists. It's a fact. Lammy told me.🤣
Strafin
I'd rather be Lammy than Gammony...
Turin Machine
QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 8 2019, 08:30 PM) *
I'd rather be Lammy than Gammony...

Who? The "you never see a police man round here due to cuts" to camera Lammy, with a policeman in a high vis jacket in back of shot Lammy, that Lammy?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 8 2019, 11:36 PM) *
Who? The "you never see a police man round here due to cuts" to camera Lammy, with a policeman in a high vis jacket in back of shot Lammy, that Lammy?

Or the Lammy who makes Tommy Robinson look like a multi-culturist? That Lammy?😂
Biker1
Isn't it obvious? He's an upp..................... Whooops!! tongue.gif
newres
QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 8 2019, 11:51 AM) *
Thing is.. you can laugh and take the mickey, but Sir William, has literally made up a figure and cited it as fact. But if someone questions it, the ridicule goes their way because we live in a post truth world now where lying is not only accepted - on this forum it's encouraged!

There was someone on another forum who asked how it was that she had to pay VAT on the oil used in her car service when the garage would have already paid the VAT when they bought it so it was being paid twice. She’s a nut job Brexiteer that believes in 2021 the EU will have control of the UK budget and thinks all our MPs should be sacked for having not left the EU already. She can’t grasp VAT but thinks she knows more than our MPs. They walk among us.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 9 2019, 08:15 AM) *
There was someone on another forum who asked how it was that she had to pay VAT on the oil used in her car service when the garage would have already paid the VAT when they bought it so it was being paid twice. She’s a nut job Brexiteer that believes in 2021 the EU will have control of the UK budget and thinks all our MPs should be sacked for having not left the EU already. She can’t grasp VAT but thinks she knows more than our MPs. They walk among us.


I often think that the media "hunt" the mentally challenged down in order to feed the perception that any given sector is as thick as two short planks when it comes to subject appraisal. When was the last time you heard someone on a vox pop utter something profound? No, because empty vessels also gravitate.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 9 2019, 08:20 AM) *
I often think that the media "hunt" the mentally challenged down in order to feed the perception that any given sector is as thick as two short planks when it comes to subject appraisal. When was the last time you heard someone on a vox pop utter something profound? No, because empty vessels also gravitate.

They certainly do Ollie, they certainly do.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 9 2019, 07:15 AM) *
There was someone on another forum who asked how it was that she had to pay VAT on the oil used in her car service when the garage would have already paid the VAT when they bought it so it was being paid twice. She’s a nut job Brexiteer that believes in 2021 the EU will have control of the UK budget and thinks all our MPs should be sacked for having not left the EU already. She can’t grasp VAT but thinks she knows more than our MPs. They walk among us.

Maybe she'd read this,
"The European Commission will check eurozone countries' draft budgets to verify whether they are in line with EU rules and will ask for changes if they are not, under a deal struck today (20 February) with the European Parliament, which adopted the so-called two-pack bundle of legislation."
"It gives the Commission an extra level of oversight on member countries' budgets. Governments are free to ignore the commission's recommendations but risk EU legal action by doing so."

So you can see where she might have been confused, what with it apparently already being passed into law. Old people huh, what yer gonna do?
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 9 2019, 07:15 AM) *
There was someone on another forum who asked how it was that she had to pay VAT on the oil used in her car service when the garage would have already paid the VAT when they bought it so it was being paid twice. She’s a nut job Brexiteer that believes in 2021 the EU will have control of the UK budget and thinks all our MPs should be sacked for having not left the EU already. She can’t grasp VAT but thinks she knows more than our MPs. They walk among us.

Link please.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 9 2019, 10:42 AM) *
Maybe she'd read this,
"The European Commission will check eurozone countries' draft budgets to verify whether they are in line with EU rules and will ask for changes if they are not, under a deal struck today (20 February) with the European Parliament, which adopted the so-called two-pack bundle of legislation."
"It gives the Commission an extra level of oversight on member countries' budgets. Governments are free to ignore the commission's recommendations but risk EU legal action by doing so."

So you can see where she might have been confused, what with it apparently already being passed into law. Old people huh, what yer gonna do?

That’s not the same at all though is it. But no, she’s referring to the misinformation that was posted recently and went viral on Lisbon.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 10 2019, 04:15 PM) *
That’s not the same at all though is it. But no, she’s referring to the misinformation that was posted recently and went viral on Lisbon.

Why isn't it the same? Post a link to your 'gone viral 😂' post. Cos the EU deciding what our national budget will be looks, on the face of it the same thing.
Turin Machine
In the meantime;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/...udget-agreement

Naughty Italy. Fancy trying to do your own budget, tsk!
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 10 2019, 05:56 PM) *
Why isn't it the same? Post a link to your 'gone viral 😂' post. Cos the EU deciding what our national budget will be looks, on the face of it the same thing.

Put your glasses on then.
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 10 2019, 06:06 PM) *
In the meantime;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/...udget-agreement

Naughty Italy. Fancy trying to do your own budget, tsk!

Membership of the EU includes a commitment to a certain level of fiscal control and debt management. You’d be at the front of the queue complaining if countries were behaving with a lack of fiscal control and impacting on EU budgets.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 10 2019, 05:32 PM) *
Put your glasses on then.

Post the link, or not.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 9 2019, 07:15 AM) *
She’s a nut job Brexiteer that believes in 2021 the EU will have control of the UK budget.

Sounds quite a bit like
"The European Commission will check eurozone countries' draft budgets to verify whether they are in line with EU rules"
Governments are free to ignore the commission's recommendations but risk EU legal action by doing so."

It does to me anyway so what point is newres trying to make we wonder?
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 10 2019, 05:39 PM) *
Membership of the EU includes a commitment to a certain level of fiscal control and debt management. You’d be at the front of the queue complaining if countries were behaving with a lack of fiscal control and impacting on EU budgets.

Sounds a teensy weensy bit like the EU will be overseeing our budgets then.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 10 2019, 07:07 PM) *
Sounds a teensy weensy bit like the EU will be overseeing our budgets then.

It’s a condition of membership. It’s never going to affect the UK because we are fiscally responsible.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 10 2019, 06:42 PM) *
It’s a condition of membership. It’s never going to affect the UK because we are fiscally responsible.

Yeah, right.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 10 2019, 06:42 PM) *
It’s a condition of membership. It’s never going to affect the UK because we are fiscally responsible.

So basically she's right.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 10 2019, 07:42 PM) *
It’s a condition of membership. It’s never going to affect the UK because we are fiscally responsible.

🤣🤣🤣🤣
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 10 2019, 08:06 PM) *
So basically she's right.

Only if you’re deluded or can’t read.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 11 2019, 05:01 AM) *
Only if you’re deluded or can’t read.

Nope, I've read what you wrote, and read the EU directive, and, she and TM (and me) are all right. And as you've not shown the slightest shred of evidence to contradict that we can only assume you either made it up, or, you're 13. Possibly both.
James_Trinder
A couple of interesting articles about the effect of Brexit on VAT are the following:

https://www.accountancyage.com/2018/04/10/m...-uk-tax-policy/

The above is bang up to date and talks about all different types of tax.

The article below is slightly less recent but focuses specifically on VAT.

https://www.accountancyage.com/2018/03/28/u...e-january-2022/

je suis Charlie
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Apr 11 2019, 12:35 PM) *
A couple of interesting articles about the effect of Brexit on VAT are the following:

https://www.accountancyage.com/2018/04/10/m...-uk-tax-policy/

The above is bang up to date and talks about all different types of tax.

The article below is slightly less recent but focuses specifically on VAT.

https://www.accountancyage.com/2018/03/28/u...e-january-2022/

Thanks for that, I've already had several long tedious meetings with my tax specialist who basically said "wait and see", as I'm now certain we won't be leaving at all I've left it on the back burner for now. Thanks anyhow.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 11 2019, 06:54 PM) *
Thanks for that, I've already had several long tedious meetings with my tax specialist who basically said "wait and see", as I'm now certain we won't be leaving at all I've left it on the back burner for now. Thanks anyhow.

I agree. At least be honest about it all though. Tell the electorate that we no longer live in a democracy. It's not how you vote... it's what we think. Most people just don't care anymore. Sad.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 11 2019, 07:40 PM) *
I agree. At least be honest about it all though. Tell the electorate that we no longer live in a democracy. It's not how you vote... it's what we think. Most people just don't care anymore. Sad.

I think if people had been honest earlier we wouldn’t be in this mess.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 11 2019, 06:54 PM) *
Thanks for that, I've already had several long tedious meetings with my tax specialist who basically said "wait and see", as I'm now certain we won't be leaving at all I've left it on the back burner for now. Thanks anyhow.

Must be nice to have so much time to waste.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 11 2019, 06:48 PM) *
Must be nice to have so much time to waste.

Time spent with a good tax adviser is never time wasted.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 11 2019, 07:54 PM) *
Time spent with a good tax adviser is never time wasted.

Indeed. Anyone on PAYE is a mug.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 11 2019, 09:20 PM) *
Indeed. Anyone on PAYE is a mug.

Have you had several long and tedious planning meetings with your tax advisor too then about the VAT implications of Brexit? laugh.gif
newres
Vote Labour. If they offer this, I predict a landslide and I reckon if the Tories do the arithmetic they’ll be offering a referendum soon as they’ll be destroyed in a GE.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-11/why-lab...ferendum-party/
Strafin
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 11 2019, 07:40 PM) *
I agree. At least be honest about it all though. Tell the electorate that we no longer live in a democracy. It's not how you vote... it's what we think. Most people just don't care anymore. Sad.

We live in the same democracy that we have lived in for hundreds of years. Our parliament make our laws and the lords over see that. We elect officials to parliament to represent us. Just because you feel they are doing it badly, it doesn't mean democracy has died.
Strafin
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 11 2019, 09:20 PM) *
Indeed. Anyone on PAYE is a mug.

"I'm a patriot, I love my country and I want it back. Sovereinity is paramount"

more than happy to pay as little tax as possible though, are you and JSC baby boomers by any chance?
je suis Charlie
I pay the right amount of tax, not too much and not too little. It's a bit like the three bears. And everything I do pay is all legal and above board, that's why I have an adviser. It's all about being tax efficient. Oh, and you spelt sovereignty wrongly as well. Only to be expected from one such as yourself I suppose. So what are you up to today then strafin? Care homes again is it? See if we can find some little old lady to sneer at and humiliate for her lack of tech knowledge? Must make you feel so manly.
je suis Charlie
If we vote for an issue and that vote is ignored then yes, you are entitled to believe democracy is on the ropes. Those who voted to leave (the majority) will be feeling about now that trusting the people they elected to parliament to represent them have not been doing what they were sent to that place for. I predict a massively lower turnout at the next election.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 03:52 AM) *
Vote Labour. If they offer this, I predict a landslide and I reckon if the Tories do the arithmetic they’ll be offering a referendum soon as they’ll be destroyed in a GE.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-11/why-lab...ferendum-party/

One or two rather obvious faults with this observation really. The main one being that the referendum would come before the election so making that issue moot. Secondly labour is split all the way to the top on the referendum issue, not good for the party at all. Thirdly, watching you attempt to 'do' politics is like watching a T Rex trying to clap hands, it's a rather humorous spectacle.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 12 2019, 08:03 AM) *
"I'm a patriot, I love my country and I want it back. Sovereinity is paramount"

more than happy to pay as little tax as possible though, are you and JSC baby boomers by any chance?


No not a baby boomer... just someone who has some intelligence. You sound jealous. Stuck in your boring sad job where the government milk you at source. Why not use the tax laws? You'd be a bit daft if you didn't.... oh I think we have hit the nail on the head. Strafin is "daft". 😂
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 04:52 AM) *
Vote Labour. If they offer this, I predict a landslide and I reckon if the Tories do the arithmetic they’ll be offering a referendum soon as they’ll be destroyed in a GE.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-11/why-lab...ferendum-party/


I don't vote for communists. If he gets in it wull make Brexit look like a tea party...
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 12 2019, 09:36 AM) *
One or two rather obvious faults with this observation really. The main one being that the referendum would come before the election so making that issue moot. Secondly labour is split all the way to the top on the referendum issue, not good for the party at all. Thirdly, watching you attempt to 'do' politics is like watching a T Rex trying to clap hands, it's a rather humorous spectacle.

Labour are overwhelmingly in favour of a second referendum as a party. It isn’t split but obviously there are exceptions, notably Corbyn.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 12 2019, 11:24 AM) *
I don't vote for communists. If he gets in it wull make Brexit look like a tea party...

I have no desire for a Corbyn government but we can get rid of him at the next election.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 10:46 AM) *
Labour are overwhelmingly in favour of a second referendum as a party. It isn’t split but obviously there are exceptions, notably Corbyn.

Ahem!
"Which doesn't mean Labour's shadow cabinet is yet foursquare behind it: there are probably ten of Jeremy Corbyn's most senior colleagues who, like him, have doubts about whether Labour should become the referendum party."
"Labour split over second referendum after Barry Gardiner claims 'we are not a Remain party'"
Then there's this,
"Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels."

And to round off for now as

"Jeremy Corbyn was warned by Labour party chairman Ian Lavery that he risked going down in history as the leader who split his party if he backed another referendum on Brexit, in an extraordinary outburst during a meeting of the shadow cabinet last week, according to senior party sources."

Looks a bit 'splittish' to me.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 10:47 AM) *
I have no desire for a Corbyn government but we can get rid of him at the next election.

Really? Before? During? Or after his 'landslide' victory?
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