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je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Feb 27 2019, 05:24 PM) *
You said remainers were thick as mince. The data says itís the Leavers that are less intelligent.

Problem with that is that according to the 'data' all right wingers are thick, which must mean all leftys aren't, and yet an awful lot of leavers are left wingers and a lot of remainers are right wingers. So, does the 'data' say all right wingers are thick apart from the ones who voted remain and conversely are the leftys less thick, even the ones that voted leave? Gets a bit complicated when you believe every bit of 'data' that suits your argument.
SirWilliam
The whole remain/leave debacle is akin to the hunting debate some 20 years ago when 10% of the population was vehemently opposed as was a similar percentage for; the remaining 80% had "better" things to worry about yet were carried along with the circus because to appear disinterested runs the risk of being labeled obtuse.
Personally I voted leave but had the vote gone the other way I would have got on quite happily with my life in the knowledge that whenever a glitch to my status quo arrose I could always blame the germans. laugh.gif Looks as though that simple pleasure may be here for sometime yet. cool.gif
Mr Brown
QUOTE (newres @ Feb 27 2019, 12:06 PM) *
The EU is the opposite of tribalism.Tribalism is nationalism.


So the expensive institutionalised trek between Brussels and Strasbourg isn't the result of tribalisim?
Strafin
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 27 2019, 02:04 PM) *
In theory, however does everyone who voted remain agree with contributions to the EU armed forces, or the EU deciding tax burdens for individuals or the EU allocating immigrants to individual nations, or are happy at the insane levels of corruption at top levels? Not to mention the overturning of UK court decisions by the EU? I actually heard one interview where the young lady wailed that it was wrong 'cos I like Europe, now I won't be able to go there' which pretty much summed up for me the level of understanding of the situation. 🤔

Knowing, and agreeing, are two very different things.
Strafin
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 27 2019, 02:59 PM) *
Thick as mince the majority of remainers. Ask any of them what the main treaties of the EU are and what they mean. Most won't be able to name one. But they want to be part of a Union they have no understanding of. Cos it's Europe. Innit.

That's not a fair statement, there are many remainers who are far more intelligent, more worldly or beter informed than many of us.

Most Brexiteers probably couldn't tell you all that much about treaties either. I am still waiting for any Brexiteer to tell me a tangible and real benefit to leaving the EU.
Strafin
QUOTE (newres @ Feb 27 2019, 05:24 PM) *
You said remainers were thick as mince. The data says itís the Leavers that are less intelligent.

Ignorant would probably be a better term. Some of them are quite clever, just unwilling to use their intellect.
newres
So.... second referendum? What do we think. A vote on the deal looks pretty likely to me.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 1 2019, 05:44 PM) *
So.... second referendum? What do we think. A vote on the deal looks pretty likely to me.

Pandoras box is open. Why not? Been a long time since the Roundheads v Cavaliers. Fight at Donington Castle? 😂
je suis Charlie
Two year ext to article 50, another vote on the deal although I'm unsure as to precisely what the question will be, followed swiftly by a humble, grovelling appeal to Brussels to forget what naughty rebellious people the British are.

Pretty much what if said all along. TM can say "I've tried", JC can say "power rests in the hands of the proletariat" and VC can just sit there looking like a fat, balding smug bloke.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 1 2019, 07:27 PM) *
Two year ext to article 50, another vote on the deal although I'm unsure as to precisely what the question will be, followed swiftly by a humble, grovelling appeal to Brussels to forget what naughty rebellious people the British are.

Pretty much what if said all along. TM can say "I've tried", JC can say "power rests in the hands of the proletariat" and VC can just sit there looking like a fat, balding smug bloke.


I think the most important thing about another vote is to reduce the voting age to 2 and ban anyone over 60 from voting. Also the options should be:

1. Remain
2. Remain and join the Euro
3. Remain, join the Euro, and abolish the HOC and HOL.

Of those 3 I would vote for option 3. And I'm serious.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 1 2019, 07:50 PM) *
I think the most important thing about another vote is to reduce the voting age to 2 and ban anyone over 60 from voting. Also the options should be:

1. Remain
2. Remain and join the Euro
3. Remain, join the Euro, and abolish the HOC and HOL.

Of those 3 I would vote for option 3. And I'm serious.

And ban anyone that canít spell tick tock.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 1 2019, 10:45 PM) *
And ban anyone that canít spell tick tock.

Or use an iPhone.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 1 2019, 10:45 PM) *
And ban anyone that canít spell tick tock.

Why not option 3 by the way. We are either a sovereign state or not. Personally I would like Brexit to happen. If not, we should hand all democracy to Brussels now and abolish the HOC and HOL. Save a lot of money.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 1 2019, 10:57 PM) *
Why not option 3 by the way. We are either a sovereign state or not. Personally I would like Brexit to happen. If not, we should hand all democracy to Brussels now and abolish the HOC and HOL. Save a lot of money.

Not option 3 because itís a childrenís response.

Anyway, Iíll be glad when itís all over so I can hen back to having only a vague interest in politics again (although I was interested in my 20s and early 30s) because whoever is in power makes very little difference to me me. Brexit was different as it was going to have a massive impact on the country economically and needs to be stopped.
On the edge
Lets face it, sink if we stay in and sink if we leave; 'first' world economy is dying - that's the real issue.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 2 2019, 06:50 AM) *
Not option 3 because itís a childrenís response.

Anyway, Iíll be glad when itís all over so I can hen back to having only a vague interest in politics again (although I was interested in my 20s and early 30s) because whoever is in power makes very little difference to me me. Brexit was different as it was going to have a massive impact on the country economically and needs to be stopped.


No it's not. If we don't leave we WILL end up in 1 EU superstate. Why bother with the pretence of sovereignty. Also most brexiteers will never vote again so it's best to hand all power to Juncker and co.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 2 2019, 07:22 AM) *
No it's not. If we don't leave we WILL end up in 1 EU superstate. Why bother with the pretence of sovereignty. Also most brexiteers will never vote again so it's best to hand all power to Juncker and co.

Iím afraid youíve been fed a bunch of lies. There will never be an EU state even if thereís further integration and as it stands we could veto or opt out like Schengen or the Euro. Youíre actually being hysterical.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 2 2019, 07:26 AM) *
Iím afraid youíve been fed a bunch of lies. There will never be an EU state even if thereís further integration and as it stands we could veto or opt out like Schengen or the Euro. Youíre actually being hysterical.

"There will never be an EU state" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 2 2019, 07:37 AM) *
"There will never be an EU state" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Of course not, it will be called "The Greater German Republic" and it's boundary will run from Ballycroy to the Bosphorus. On a positive we shall have replaced the Windsors with family Merkel, the pound with the euro and we will all be encouraged to take our summer holidays in Poland. Meanwhile China continues to view the world as something to be exploited to extinction and the yanks will continue to elect p****s like Trump. Oh isn't it great being a member of the human race in the 21st century. cool.gif
je suis Charlie
Quick factoid, the UK pays some 13.5% of all EU contributions, countries like Malta pay 0.07%. which is possibly why they don't want us to go.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 2 2019, 10:15 AM) *
Quick factoid, the UK pays some 13.5% of all EU contributions, countries like Malta pay 0.07%. which is possibly why they don't want us to go.


Not to worry, those nice germans will happily take Malta under it's wing..........nearly 80 years later than planned but one should never give up on a good idea.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 1 2019, 10:45 PM) *
And ban anyone that canít spell tick tock.

Tic Toc!
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 2 2019, 10:15 AM) *
Quick factoid, the UK pays some 13.5% of all EU contributions, countries like Malta pay 0.07%. which is possibly why they don't want us to go.

Do you know we pay less to the EU than the overseas aid budget.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 2 2019, 04:29 PM) *
Do you know we pay less to the EU than the overseas aid budget.


That one is easily rectified. Doubt to many have the guts to implement it though.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 2 2019, 04:29 PM) *
Do you know we pay less to the EU than the overseas aid budget.

Don't even start on that. Overseas aid...🤮
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 2 2019, 05:33 PM) *
Don't even start on that. Overseas aid...🤮

Itís a misnomer really. It is as much a palm greasing budget,
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 2 2019, 05:33 PM) *
Don't even start on that. Overseas aid...🤮

We send aid to India, a place that has a modern army, nuclear bombs and a satellite in orbit around mars. But we still plus money into it. They must be laughing themselves sick.
je suis Charlie
Between foreign aid and supporting various semi derelict European countries we give away almost £27b. Does anyone have any ideas on what else we could do with that money? Anybody?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 2 2019, 06:38 PM) *
Between foreign aid and supporting various semi derelict European countries we give away almost £27b. Does anyone have any ideas on what else we could do with that money? Anybody?

I blame those whiite "Poverty porn" celebs. Scum...trying to raise money for the disadvantaged.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 2 2019, 06:38 PM) *
Between foreign aid and supporting various semi derelict European countries we give away almost £27b. Does anyone have any ideas on what else we could do with that money? Anybody?

Membership of the EU cost £13bn last year but our exports were £300bn. As a man who runs a business, wouldnít you say thatís a good return?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 2 2019, 07:51 PM) *
Membership of the EU cost £13bn last year but our exports were £300bn. As a man who runs a business, wouldnít you say thatís a good return?

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/Res...ummary/CBP-7851

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 2 2019, 07:51 PM) *
Membership of the EU cost £13bn last year but our exports were £300bn. As a man who runs a business, wouldnít you say thatís a good return?

And our imports? As a business? Buying in more than I sold? No, that wouldn't be a good return. Like buying a store club card for £13b that allows me to buy stuff at a higher price.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 2 2019, 08:23 PM) *
And our imports? As a business? Buying in more than I sold? No, that wouldn't be a good return. Like buying a store club card for £13b that allows me to buy stuff at a higher price.

Weíve always had a negative balance of trade.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 2 2019, 08:32 PM) *
Weíve always had a negative balance of trade.

Quite wrong. As usual.🤣🤣🤣
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 2 2019, 08:32 PM) *
Weíve always had a negative balance of trade.

Which is called? Yup, going broke. One final piss off is that I've worked out that I'll be working this month for free just to pay for benefit scroungers and other people's children, the national debt, international aid and our contribution to the EU. However I'm sure Newres will be along shortly with an 18 page report and some graphs showing me how a bilateral trade agreement with Latvia for reindeer skin actually means I get most of this back. Because data.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 2 2019, 10:57 PM) *
Which is called? Yup, going broke. One final piss off is that I've worked out that I'll be working this month for free just to pay for benefit scroungers and other people's children, the national debt, international aid and our contribution to the EU. However I'm sure Newres will be along shortly with an 18 page report and some graphs showing me how a bilateral trade agreement with Latvia for reindeer skin actually means I get most of this back. Because data.

You make the mistake of seeing the UK as a single business. But anyway we do better on services so from memory from A level Economics we have a just about positive balance of payments. Services and trade combined.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 2 2019, 10:57 PM) *
Quite wrong. As usual.🤣🤣🤣

When was the last time we had a positive one? I donít think weíve ever had one but I could be wrong.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 3 2019, 08:38 AM) *
When was the last time we had a positive one? I donít think weíve ever had one but I could be wrong.

You are. We had one back in the early Thatcher reign (1980 to 1982)
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 3 2019, 12:46 PM) *
You are. We had one back in the early Thatcher reign (1980 to 1982)

So one in 50 years. laugh.gif

So actually I was right. Shock! Horror! Historically we run a trade deficit.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 3 2019, 12:46 PM) *
You are. We had one back in the early Thatcher reign (1980 to 1982)


Was there not one in Blairs first tenure, or was that down to Brown's creative accountancy? tongue.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 3 2019, 01:54 PM) *
So one in 50 years. laugh.gif

So actually I was right. Shock! Horror! Historically we run a trade deficit.


No. You were wrong. But you would never admit that. 😂😂
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 3 2019, 02:22 PM) *
No. You were wrong. But you would never admit that. 😂😂

I would. When I first came on this site I thought you were intelligent. I admit I was wrong. laugh.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 3 2019, 03:13 PM) *
I would. When I first came on this site I thought you were intelligent. I admit I was wrong. laugh.gif

Your insults are very poor. Quite sad actually. Never mind. Just a reflection of what you are. ...
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 3 2019, 04:34 PM) *
Your insults are very poor. Quite sad actually. Never mind. Just a reflection of what you are. ...

Youíre actually a bit sensitive arenít you. I thought it was us liberals that were the snowflakes?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 3 2019, 05:33 PM) *
Youíre actually a bit sensitive arenít you. I thought it was us liberals that were the snowflakes?

When your Mum has died very recently you tend to be.🙁
je suis Charlie
Sorry to hear that. My sympathies.
newres
Sorry to hear that too.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 4 2019, 09:32 AM) *
Sorry to hear that too.

Thank you both. We may have a bit of banter on here but some things transcend political differences. Worst experience of my life. 🙁😭
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 4 2019, 09:25 PM) *
Thank you both. We may have a bit of banter on here but some things transcend political differences. Worst experience of my life. 🙁😭

Yeah, lost both my parents a few years ago, totally mind *******. Still, they're never really gone, always looking over your shoulder, tutting.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 4 2019, 09:47 PM) *
Yeah, lost both my parents a few years ago, totally mind *******. Still, they're never really gone, always looking over your shoulder, tutting.

I am in the same club. Dad to a car crash a while back . Nobody can prepare you for it. I'm trying to stay positive but it's sooooooo difficult. I think the sense of loss is both of the one you love and selfishly the loss to you of the one consistent thing in your life. The one you could turn to, whatever the circumstances.. 🙁
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