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newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 2 2019, 07:05 PM) *
Nicely played Theresa, nicely played. laugh.gif

Oh dear. If itís a trap, JC will walk. He isnít stupid and I reckon heíll be believed.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 2 2019, 07:22 PM) *
Oh dear. If itís a trap, JC will walk. He isnít stupid and I reckon heíll be believed.

Dear God... he is a socialist. That by very definition makes him stupid.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 2 2019, 06:22 PM) *
Oh dear. If itís a trap, JC will walk. He isnít stupid and I reckon heíll be believed.

He's lost a lot of grass roots support, his generation X support is withering and all he wants now is a term as pm. If he can be handled the right way he can be shown to be a bumbling Marxist who wouldn't play ball to save the country. Yeah, he is that stupid. Give a Marxist enough rope and all that. Never know he might get miss Dianne to do the sums on it.
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 2 2019, 11:45 PM) *
He's lost a lot of grass roots support, his generation X support is withering and all he wants now is a term as pm. If he can be handled the right way he can be shown to be a bumbling Marxist who wouldn't play ball to save the country. Yeah, he is that stupid. Give a Marxist enough rope and all that. Never know he might get miss Dianne to do the sums on it.

Weíll see.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 3 2019, 05:02 AM) *
Weíll see.

I find it hilarious that you and your ilk constantly berate and belittle the 'baby boomer' generation yet get all squirmy and moist at the thought of having a seventy year old in number ten.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 3 2019, 12:17 PM) *
I find it hilarious that you and your ilk constantly berate and belittle the 'baby boomer' generation yet get all squirmy and moist at the thought of having a seventy year old in number ten.

I don't like JC so I'm not sure what you mean. He's too left wing. I'm not even a Labour voter really. If I am, I'm certainly a lot more mainstream on the whole although I agree with much JC says on foreign policy. I'm a floating voter I think.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 3 2019, 05:02 AM) *
Weíll see.

From t' Guardian.

"Challenged on why she's willing to negotiate with Corbyn, PM repeatedly points to what they agree on - including the fact he wants Britain to leave the EU with a deal. Clear that part of Downing Street's strategy here is to heap pressure/blame for the Brexit mess on Labour."

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James_Trinder
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 3 2019, 12:17 PM) *
I find it hilarious that you and your ilk constantly berate and belittle the 'baby boomer' generation yet get all squirmy and moist at the thought of having a seventy year old in number ten.



Not all baby boomers are to blame for the collective decisions that were made in the past e.g. Beeching cuts in the same way that not all of Generation X are feckless layabouts. I would have no problem with a seventy something year old in charge if it were to be Vince Cable but like newres I have absolutely no time for Jeremy Corbyn and the other left wing lunatics currently in charge of Labour. However, I am quite interested to see what the new Change UK party come up with in terms of policies.
DereckT
Dear God, just please make it stop.......................!
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (DereckT @ Apr 3 2019, 01:33 PM) *
Dear God, just please make it stop.......................!

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SirWilliam
QUOTE (DereckT @ Apr 3 2019, 02:33 PM) *
Dear God, just please make it stop.......................!


Haven't you heard? God is on a sabbatical to MACS0647-JD and the train service is a little unreliable so not expected back here before 4523. Plenty of time then to sort brexit out on our own. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
je suis Charlie
I'm with Derek, I would rather put my hand in a liquidiser and give the on / off switch to newres than put up with anymore of this nonsense. Seriously, ******* stay or go, I'm past caring, just do something, anything!
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 3 2019, 07:35 PM) *
I'm with Derek, I would rather put my hand in a liquidiser and give the on / off switch to newres than put up with anymore of this nonsense. Seriously, ******* stay or go, I'm past caring, just do something, anything!

That's been the plan all along. Make the Brexiteers give up. Bit stupid really as this will come back to haunt them. The repercussions will be huge...
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 3 2019, 09:24 PM) *
That's been the plan all along. Make the Brexiteers give up. Bit stupid really as this will come back to haunt them. The repercussions will be huge...

Such as?

newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 3 2019, 07:35 PM) *
I'm with Derek, I would rather put my hand in a liquidiser and give the on / off switch to newres than put up with anymore of this nonsense. Seriously, ******* stay or go, I'm past caring, just do something, anything!

Just so you know, I wouldnít switch it on so youíre quite safe.
Strafin
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 1 2019, 02:44 PM) *
I guess you believe that religion should be banned then.🤣

I believe it should stop being used as a reason to do anything, and it should be removed from schools and have nothing to do with any state decisions.
Strafin
QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Apr 1 2019, 05:02 PM) *
Wholly agree but how dare you imply comments I've made are not true. What proof do you or anyone else need? Signed affidavits, entries from Hansard, published papers or what? Past experience here demonstrates that even if paths are provided, certain posters with closed minds still won't open. If we take the Irish border question, then that is actually dealt with in a technical paper created by the EU dealing with potential consequences of the UKs exit - go find. The very nature of politics means that there will be often wildly different interpretations of what appear at first sight to be clear and correct information - which time and again is proved unclear and incorrect. Most people are also beginning to realise that the web or Google is not the sole or indeed an infallible source. So for me, political debate is only possible with people who are able to respond with a reasoned grounded reply and not simply insults when their own views are challenged. I can only conclude that isn't likely to happen here.

I haven't been particularly specific so if you feel that it applies to you then that's your issue. If you can't prove something or at least point us in the direction of where the information is, then why would anyone believe you? It's as good as the old "a bloke down the pub told me" opener to all sorts of nonsense and urban myths that we don't have anymore.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 4 2019, 10:39 AM) *
I haven't been particularly specific so if you feel that it applies to you then that's your issue. If you can't prove something or at least point us in the direction of where the information is, then why would anyone believe you? It's as good as the old "a bloke down the pub told me" opener to all sorts of nonsense and urban myths that we don't have anymore.

We shall of course hold you to your own high standards in the future. Interested to learn that we don't have urban myths anymore, care to reference that assertion?
James_Trinder
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 4 2019, 04:51 AM) *
Such as?



I think that one argument is that the public will lose faith in democracy and there will be rioting in the streets etc. I don't really buy it myself because people often vote for political parties on the basis of what is in their manifesto and often these promises are either broken, watered down or delayed. Granted, this is a bit more high profile than most of those promises and the vote for it was a bit more direct than usual but most people are fairly used to being lied to and generally let down by politicians.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Apr 4 2019, 01:26 PM) *
I think that one argument is that the public will lose faith in democracy and there will be rioting in the streets etc. I don't really buy it myself because people often vote for political parties on the basis of what is in their manifesto and often these promises are either broken, watered down or delayed. Granted, this is a bit more high profile than most of those promises and the vote for it was a bit more direct than usual but most people are fairly used to being lied to and generally let down by politicians.


I know of a lot of people who will be writing what they feel on the next election ballot paper. You will have thousands of spoiled ballots and massive queues at voting centres. If will be chaos.
Strafin
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Apr 4 2019, 01:26 PM) *
I think that one argument is that the public will lose faith in democracy and there will be rioting in the streets etc. I don't really buy it myself because people often vote for political parties on the basis of what is in their manifesto and often these promises are either broken, watered down or delayed. Granted, this is a bit more high profile than most of those promises and the vote for it was a bit more direct than usual but most people are fairly used to being lied to and generally let down by politicians.

I couldn't agree more. Project fear at work...
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 4 2019, 02:02 PM) *
I couldn't agree more. Project fear at work...

Don't make me laugh. I thought we were supposed to be in a major recession after the vote in 2016. That worked out just as the experts predicted....project fear my a$$.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 4 2019, 02:11 PM) *
Don't make me laugh. I thought we were supposed to be in a major recession after the vote in 2016. That worked out just as the experts predicted....project fear my a$$.

They got that wrong. I donít think it was a deliberate lie. I must admit I thought all these things would happen with all the uncertainty and I assumed the markets would immediately ďprice inĒ the impact. However the markets and businesses behaved sensibly. I have absolutely no doubt that no deal would wreck our economy and I base that on observable reality (people panic buying, housing market behaviour etc.) and more importantly the view of 99% of economists and experts.
Mr Brown
QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 4 2019, 11:39 AM) *
I haven't been particularly specific so if you feel that it applies to you then that's your issue. If you can't prove something or at least point us in the direction of where the information is, then why would anyone believe you? It's as good as the old "a bloke down the pub told me" opener to all sorts of nonsense and urban myths that we don't have anymore.


If you'd actually bothered to read the post you would see you were pointed to the evidence'.
I'd have to argue that the vast amount of information we have today, much masquerading as data, generates rather more urban mythology than we've ever had - which is ironic, given 'the bloke in the pub' along with the house, is fast disappearing.

It's also quite interesting that some see this Irish border issue is the root cause of our Brexit problem. Rather odd that Mrs May is making no overtures to the Irish government let alone making specific mention in her recent discussions.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 4 2019, 03:55 PM) *
They got that wrong. I donít think it was a deliberate lie. I must admit I thought all these things would happen with all the uncertainty and I assumed the markets would immediately ďprice inĒ the impact. However the markets and businesses behaved sensibly. I have absolutely no doubt that no deal would wreck our economy and I base that on observable reality (people panic buying, housing market behaviour etc.) and more importantly the view of 99% of economists and experts.


Dear God. Newres was wrong? Why do you believe the "experts" this time? Because they tell you? Think about it... the one time the British people ignored these charlatans what actually happened??? Cry wolf...
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 4 2019, 02:55 PM) *
They got that wrong. I donít think it was a deliberate lie. I must admit I thought all these things would happen with all the uncertainty and I assumed the markets would immediately ďprice inĒ the impact. However the markets and businesses behaved sensibly. I have absolutely no doubt that no deal would wreck our economy and I base that on observable reality (people panic buying, housing market behaviour etc.) and more importantly the view of 99% of economists and experts.

Linky thing please.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 4 2019, 04:26 PM) *
Linky thing please.

To?
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 4 2019, 03:52 PM) *
To?

Your assertion that 99% of economists are predicting disaster and disruption. Not that I doubt your word, but.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 4 2019, 05:44 PM) *
Your assertion that 99% of economists are predicting disaster and disruption. Not that I doubt your word, but.

😂😂😂
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 4 2019, 05:44 PM) *
Your assertion that 99% of economists are mind predicting disaster and disruption. Not that I doubt your word, but.

Instead, hereís a link to the 1%.

https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/News...top-economists/
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 5 2019, 05:02 AM) *

Again, no evidence of the 99%? And where in that article does it say that it's the 1% view? C'mon, you know the drill, proof! The world demands proof! (Otherwise it's just an urban myth).
Strafin
QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Apr 4 2019, 04:06 PM) *
If you'd actually bothered to read the post you would see you were pointed to the evidence'.
I'd have to argue that the vast amount of information we have today, much masquerading as data, generates rather more urban mythology than we've ever had - which is ironic, given 'the bloke in the pub' along with the house, is fast disappearing.

It's also quite interesting that some see this Irish border issue is the root cause of our Brexit problem. Rather odd that Mrs May is making no overtures to the Irish government let alone making specific mention in her recent discussions.

What post? I said people should stop citing things as facts if they're not, and if they're questionable backing up. You went off on one, and said that you shouldn't have to... I replied and said it wasnt specifically aimed at anyone.. and now it's all a bit untangible. You did say the Irish border was clearly not an issue though. When it's the main reason Brexit has been suspended...
Mr Brown
QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 6 2019, 07:57 AM) *
What post? I said people should stop citing things as facts if they're not, and if they're questionable backing up. You went off on one, and said that you shouldn't have to... I replied and said it wasnt specifically aimed at anyone.. and now it's all a bit untangible. You did say the Irish border was clearly not an issue though. When it's the main reason Brexit has been suspended...


I can't actually read for you; sorry.

If the Irish border was one of the main issues, we'd be out already; it's not. Sure, some fringe commentators with other agendas imagine it is, but it isn't. That's why Mrs May isn't in Dublin right now.

I've already told you where you can see even with no deal, even the EU don't consider the Irish issue a significant problem.

And actually I was 'already on one' simply because another poster had was posting obtuse and what I considered unnecessarily offensive responses - so your apparently non specific response simply added.

Never mind, having spent most of last week at our European HO with our markets and trading people, although we have considerable business with and in both Eire and Northern Ireland - we don't see any issues that won't be quickly overcome; Brexit, deal or not. So, I'm all right Jack and happily leave you to find your own way through.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Apr 6 2019, 01:07 PM) *
I can't actually read for you; sorry.

If the Irish border was one of the main issues, we'd be out already; it's not. Sure, some fringe commentators with other agendas imagine it is, but it isn't. That's why Mrs May isn't in Dublin right now.

I've already told you where you can see even with no deal, even the EU don't consider the Irish issue a significant problem.

And actually I was 'already on one' simply because another poster had was posting obtuse and what I considered unnecessarily offensive responses - so your apparently non specific response simply added.

Never mind, having spent most of last week at our European HO with our markets and trading people, although we have considerable business with and in both Eire and Northern Ireland - we don't see any issues that won't be quickly overcome; Brexit, deal or not. So, I'm all right Jack and happily leave you to find your own way through.

But the children... what about the children??? You have ruined any future they may have had!! (Well it's a good excuse for them anyway).
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 6 2019, 12:38 PM) *
But the children... what about the children??? You have ruined any future they may have had!! (Well it's a good excuse for them anyway).

Lawks! Will no one think of the children! laugh.gif
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 6 2019, 06:57 AM) *
You did say the Irish border was clearly not an issue though. When it's the main reason Brexit has been suspended...

Please support this statement of fact with some evidence please.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 6 2019, 02:45 PM) *
Please support this statement of fact with some evidence please.

The evidence doesn't exist. It's just opinion. We had one last chance. Idiots stopped it. I won't be voting again (apart from taking my time writing my thoughts down... may take 10 or 15 mins... if all brexiteers do this we can invalidate the next election...of any sort...imagine the queues...)...🤣🤣🤣🤣
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 6 2019, 04:04 PM) *
The evidence doesn't exist. It's just opinion. We had one last chance. Idiots stopped it. I won't be voting again (apart from taking my time writing my thoughts down... may take 10 or 15 mins... if all brexiteers do this we can invalidate the next election...of any sort...imagine the queues...)...🤣🤣🤣🤣


Far be it for me to point out the obvious but that sort of behaviour is exactly what the political establishment would relish. "The electorate of the UK can not be trusted with the democratic process, so lets abolish it in favour of something else".Would be the cry If you really want to p**s them off vote for the Monster Raving Loonies or similar and then see their smug grins disappear when the count is announced. cool.gif cool.gif cool.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 6 2019, 05:11 PM) *
Far be it for me to point out the obvious but that sort of behaviour is exactly what the political establishment would relish. "The electorate of the UK can not be trusted with the democratic process, so lets abolish it in favour of something else".Would be the cry If you really want to p**s them off vote for the Monster Raving Loonies or similar and then see their smug grins disappear when the count is announced. cool.gif cool.gif cool.gif

I wouldn't mind that. Abolish democracy. At least be up front about it. Save me bothering a trip to the polls. Not that a trip really counts for anything anyway. So you either protest in a peaceful civil way or give up the right to vote. It's that serious.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 6 2019, 02:45 PM) *
Please support this statement of fact with some evidence please.

The evidence is that the DUP wonít back the deal because of the backstop at the border. Remove Ireland from the equation and thereís no need of a backstop. It is the sole reason the WA wonít pass because the EU requires alignment in return for an open border.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 6 2019, 04:18 PM) *
The evidence is that the DUP wonít back the deal because of the backstop at the border. Remove Ireland from the equation and thereís no need of a backstop. It is the sole reason the WA wonít pass because the EU requires alignment in return for an open border.

Not getting it are you, just saying it's evidence doesn't make it so. Show some links to back it up, show your workings out! 😂
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 6 2019, 06:12 PM) *
Not getting it are you, just saying it's evidence doesn't make it so. Show some links to back it up, show your workings out! 😂

Perhaps Newres is as flat earther???🤣🤣
Turin Machine
I think good sense is about to prevail and the whole mess is about to be kicked into the weeds.
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 7 2019, 05:11 PM) *
I think good sense is about to prevail and the whole mess is about to be kicked into the weeds.

I think you might be right. Or else Labour will back TMís deal with a public vote on it.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 7 2019, 06:05 PM) *
I think you might be right. Or else Labour will back TMís deal with a public vote on it.

Which will amount to much the same thing.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 7 2019, 07:05 PM) *
I think you might be right. Or else Labour will back TMís deal with a public vote on it.

All I know is that the brown sticky stuff is going to hit the fan. Whatever happens half the country are gonna be p1ssed off.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 7 2019, 07:48 PM) *
All I know is that the brown sticky stuff is going to hit the fan. Whatever happens half the country are gonna be p1ssed off.


90% of the country could no longer give a flying pig whether we stay or leave as long as SOMETHING happens. It is the remaining 10% that are making the noise. It will end in another vote, either in the form of a referendum or general election, and then we can all get back to important issues like the price of german beer. rolleyes.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 7 2019, 08:22 PM) *
90% of the country could no longer give a flying pig whether we stay or leave as long as SOMETHING happens. It is the remaining 10% that are making the noise. It will end in another vote, either in the form of a referendum or general election, and then we can all get back to important issues like the price of german beer. rolleyes.gif

How did you get to that percentage Sir Will? Are you making it up? Point me to a linky thing that backs this up. Otherwise it's just made up...😂😂😂🤣🤣😋
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 7 2019, 08:28 PM) *
How did you get to that percentage Sir Will? Are you making it up? Point me to a linky thing that backs this up. Otherwise it's just made up...😂😂😂🤣🤣😋

You make the mistake of thinking everyone cares and gets as excited as you do. Or the loons that phone into Farage or Fogg. If you really want to see the **** hit the fan, leave with no deal! Then youíll see genuine anger.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2019, 01:37 AM) *
You make the mistake of thinking everyone cares and gets as excited as you do. Or the loons that phone into Farage or Fogg. If you really want to see the **** hit the fan, leave with no deal! Then youíll see genuine anger.

Phileas Fogg?
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