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Andy Capp
QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 22 2017, 01:21 AM) *
Odds are that driverless cars will eventually go faster - because they are better driven they will be safer at high speeds.

But you don't need driverless cars to speed limit cars - all you need is a GPS, a link to the engine management computer thingy and a bit of software - absolute doddle costing very little to implement. They should have been fitting them in cars for ten years - many would use them even if there was an off switch. After a few years it would be socially unacceptable to use the off switch.

If a TomTom represents a good example, then plenty of the road network is missmapped, just in the limited area I drive there are a number of places tagged with the wrong speed limits.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 22 2017, 01:21 AM) *
Odds are that driverless cars will eventually go faster - because they are better driven they will be safer at high speeds.

But you don't need driverless cars to speed limit cars - all you need is a GPS, a link to the engine management computer thingy and a bit of software - absolute doddle costing very little to implement. They should have been fitting them in cars for ten years - many would use them even if there was an off switch. After a few years it would be socially unacceptable to use the off switch.

It's already well in hand, only it will be called 'road pricing'.
Andy Capp
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 22 2017, 01:50 AM) *
It's already well in hand, only it will be called 'road pricing'.

Including variable charge rates based on time of day.
On the edge
QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 22 2017, 01:21 AM) *
Odds are that driverless cars will eventually go faster - because they are better driven they will be safer at high speeds.

But you don't need driverless cars to speed limit cars - all you need is a GPS, a link to the engine management computer thingy and a bit of software - absolute doddle costing very little to implement. They should have been fitting them in cars for ten years - many would use them even if there was an off switch. After a few years it would be socially unacceptable to use the off switch.


Spot on. Indeed even mechanical governors have been around since even before the birth of motor vehicles; even if only on a crude basis. Why does anyone need a vehicle that can exceed the national speed limit? Such things perhaps should have been fitted for years, but it is a political issue. The same one which discourages the increased use of camera surveillance for speed enforcement and other violations.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 22 2017, 06:21 AM) *
Spot on. Indeed even mechanical governors have been around since even before the birth of motor vehicles; even if only on a crude basis. Why does anyone need a vehicle that can exceed the national speed limit? Such things perhaps should have been fitted for years, but it is a political issue. The same one which discourages the increased use of camera surveillance for speed enforcement and other violations.

Agreed , my first car had a top speed of 85mph and that was an MG . Now there are very few models that are not capable of speeds in excess of 100 , but why when the perpetrator runs the risk of being fined for doing so ? It would cost pence to have a warning siren that corresponded to the limit at the time and the technology is not a problem . One can only conclude that the revenue generated is more important than the third party victims of said speeding .
Turin Machine
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Nov 22 2017, 09:41 AM) *
Agreed , my first car had a top speed of 85mph and that was an MG . Now there are very few models that are not capable of speeds in excess of 100 , but why when the perpetrator runs the risk of being fined for doing so ? It would cost pence to have a warning siren that corresponded to the limit at the time and the technology is not a problem . One can only conclude that the revenue generated is more important than the third party victims of said speeding .

Many cars now have a speed control system, it relies on map data and cameras which can actually read speed signs as you pass them, very clever. It just needs the men in grey to legislate that these can not be organically switched.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 22 2017, 10:58 AM) *
Many cars now have a speed control system, it relies on map data and cameras which can actually read speed signs as you pass them, very clever. It just needs the men in grey to legislate that these can not be organically switched.


One of the advantages of driving a 20 year old bus is that one seldom comes in contact with the modern car's cockpit . Assuming I am still compos mentis by 2040 I will , hopefully , recall your comment .
blackdog
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 22 2017, 10:58 AM) *
Many cars now have a speed control system, it relies on map data and cameras which can actually read speed signs as you pass them, very clever. It just needs the men in grey to legislate that these can not be organically switched.


I hadn't realised they were so available - the first step is to legislate so that all new cars must have them fitted and older models have them retrofitted within a few years. Once they are commonplace increase speeding fines/penalties massively (an automatic 1 month ban for instance) - so drivers opt to use them. Once most are using them habitually public opinion will approve of the off switch being removed.
On the edge
QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 22 2017, 01:34 PM) *
I hadn't realised they were so available - the first step is to legislate so that all new cars must have them fitted and older models have them retrofitted within a few years. Once they are commonplace increase speeding fines/penalties massively (an automatic 1 month ban for instance) - so drivers opt to use them. Once most are using them habitually public opinion will approve of the off switch being removed.


Few would have any issue with that, but it's likely to be one of those issues like making errant Dads pay maintenance; we all agree until it comes to physical implementation. I suspect if there was a political will, the start will come when insurance companies start upping their premiums for drivers who don't have such systems installed.
SirWilliam
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Very interesting but what has this to do with Arlington Arts ?
Berkshirelad
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 6 2017, 08:11 AM) *
They already have.
Woe betide anyone who exceeds the 2 hours determined by the ANPR system now installed.


Unfortunately for the car park operator concerned, it is not possible to tel how long a vehicle has been parked from CCTV/APNR cameras. Only when it entered and left the car park. And on that note does their case fail in Court (plus they do not own the land and no landowner with any sense at all would give them the necessary contract for them to charge on their own behalf)
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