EU fail #1: low CO2 targets and filthy diesels cars Options

[Andy Capp]

My spin, but it's fun.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-34...r-filthier.html

[Turin Machine]

Diesel is cleaner now than ever before and is getting cleaner, it also generates less Co2 than petrol, the main benefit however is that government can use it as a cash cow and punish drivers for doing what the government actually told us to do. It's easier to tax motorists than to do something about all the other causes of air pollution all of which would cost more money to address.

[Andy Capp]

Diesel is cleaner now than ever before and is getting cleaner, it also generates less Co2 than petrol, the main benefit however is that government can use it as a cash cow and punish drivers for doing what the government actually told us to do. It's easier to tax motorists than to do something about all the other causes of air pollution all of which would cost more money to address.

Quite. However, we are the 'government'. It is our fault, not theirs, in my view. 'We must' buy cheap stuff and 'we must' fly and drive for pleasure. 'We want' tomatoes all year round, we must have cheap TVs in every room and a decent phone to use while we 'watch' the telly, we MUST eat meat, etc...

[On the edge]

Quite. However, we are the 'government'. It is our fault, not theirs, in my view. 'We must' buy cheap stuff and 'we must' fly and drive for pleasure. 'We want' tomatoes all year round, we must have cheap TVs in every room and a decent phone to use while we 'watch' the telly, we MUST eat meat, etc...

Sadly, after 40 odd years of 'one size fits all' education, we are now conditioned to accept and not question; thus slaves to propoganda. What's good for Tesco etc, is good for us!

[Andy Capp]

Sadly, after 40 odd years of 'one size fits all' education, we are now conditioned to accept and not question; thus slaves to propoganda. What's good for Tesco etc, is good for us!

Notwithstanding sustainability and a lack of your average Joe taking some responsibility for their part in all this. The western world is arrogant and selfish.

[On the edge]

Notwithstanding sustainability and a lack of your average Joe taking some responsibility for their part in all this. The western world is arrogant and selfish.

Totally! And that may well be our eventual downfall.

[SirWilliam]

Totally! And that may well be our eventual downfall.

All "empires" have their day . The Romans, Ottomans , Blackburn Rovers . It is decreed from upon high that complacency is the precursor of decline so accept and get used to eating turnips 3 times a day.

I very much doubt that the electric car is the answer until we develop a generating system that isn't fossil fuel based .

How about a sail on top of your 4x4 ?

[blackdog]

I very much doubt that the electric car is the answer until we develop a generating system that isn't fossil fuel based .

Nuclear, wind, solar, tidal, what more do you want?

[Biker1]

Nuclear, wind, solar, tidal, what more do you want?

All of which have an environmental impact.
(Tidal? How many MW do we generate using that?)

[blackdog]

All of which have an environmental impact.
(Tidal? How many MW do we generate using that?)

Everything we do has an environmental impact. If you want to reduce your environmental impact the biggest thing you can do is not have children.

Tidal power is in its infancy, but France has a 240MW plant, Korea a 254MW one; the Swansea project is planned to be 320MW.

And I forgot to mention hydroelectric.

[Biker1]

Everything we do has an environmental impact. If you want to reduce your environmental impact the biggest thing you can do is not have children.

Correct. Over population is the cause of most evil to the planet.

Tidal power is in its infancy, but France has a 240MW plant, Korea a 254MW one; the Swansea project is planned to be 320MW.

And I forgot to mention hydroelectric.

Interesting thanks.
I should imagine hydro- electric has the least environmental impact?
All you need is a bloody big dam!
Oh and a river.
Oh and a valley!

[SirWilliam]

Correct. Over population is the cause of most evil to the planet.

Interesting thanks.
I should imagine hydro- electric has the least environmental impact?
All you need is a bloody big dam!
Oh and a river.
Oh and a valley!

And a few scattered villages so a few £million can be spent on consultation before re-housing them in a Swansea terrace , ( other terraces are undoubtedly available in equally desirable towns ), but they will be allowed to attend sightseeing days during periods of drought .

But that's ok because we don't live anywhere near.