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Andy Capp
post Feb 28 2016, 10:01 AM
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Turin Machine
post Aug 8 2017, 10:50 AM
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I'm very much in favour of solar, I know that in this poxy climate it's not as effective as it could be but it still a largely unobtrusive means of generating power.


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post Aug 8 2017, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 8 2017, 11:50 AM) *
I'm very much in favour of solar, I know that in this poxy climate it's not as effective as it could be but it still a largely unobtrusive means of generating power.

I remember reading a few years back that if the Sahara was covered completely with solar panels it would generate enough power to feed most of Europe . Now there may well have been an element of journalistic license but to be honest it is doing very little else and would bring employment to the "locals".


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post Aug 8 2017, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 8 2017, 03:28 PM) *
I remember reading a few years back that if the Sahara was covered completely with solar panels it would generate enough power to feed most of Europe . Now there may well have been an element of journalistic license but to be honest it is doing very little else and would bring employment to the "locals".

If the figures are right it demonstrates the need for more than solar; if 3 million square miles of panels in a desert can't provide enough for Europe you have little chance of running the world from the sun.

And think of the eco impact of manufacturing that many panels!
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post Aug 8 2017, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Aug 8 2017, 05:08 PM) *
And think of the eco impact of manufacturing that many panels!

I've no seen this analysis, but it would be interesting to see the per-kW environmental footprint of solar as against coal, oil, nuclear, wind, wave, and hydro. I may be wrong, but I'd guess that the environmental impact is less than for fossil-fuels generation and nuclear, so all things being equal solar might well be a good strategy if we could also develop better energy storage.


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