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post Mar 24 2020, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 23 2020, 10:59 PM) *
Yep. Expect they all have it. Do you know if the Chemist is still open? People need prescriptions or they'll have more than Corona to worry about!


Text from the Surgery did not mention the Chemists
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post Mar 24 2020, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 24 2020, 12:33 AM) *
If you fancy spending half hour in a confined space with a dozen old people coughing and spluttering whilst talking about "her down the road who's no better than she ought to be, have you seen the state of her nets" then go ahead. Be my guest.


I wonder what (not so) bright spark thought it would be a good idea to concentrate the most vulnerable group in their supermarket between 08.00 and 9? This group cough and splutter even on a good day so maybe they should re-think the strategy when a more viable approach is quite simple.
Met a bloke coming out of Sainsbury's yesterday with a trolley so laden that I doubt you could have added a cheese slice so I, admittedly in jest, asked if he had left anything for me, and the reply was hardly edifying. Seems we are fighting this on two fronts: the virus itself and the stupid public. Least the virus has no particular agenda to hurt us other than it does.


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post Mar 25 2020, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 24 2020, 12:45 PM) *
I wonder what (not so) bright spark thought it would be a good idea to concentrate the most vulnerable group in their supermarket between 08.00 and 9? This group cough and splutter even on a good day so maybe they should re-think the strategy when a more viable approach is quite simple.
Met a bloke coming out of Sainsbury's yesterday with a trolley so laden that I doubt you could have added a cheese slice so I, admittedly in jest, asked if he had left anything for me, and the reply was hardly edifying. Seems we are fighting this on two fronts: the virus itself and the stupid public. Least the virus has no particular agenda to hurt us other than it does.


Is everyone Ok on the forum? Hope ALL of you remain healthy. 👍
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post Mar 26 2020, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 25 2020, 06:40 PM) *
Is everyone Ok on the forum? Hope ALL of you remain healthy. 👍


I can only speak for myself but fine at the moment thank you. Most are heeding official advice and staying in the house if practical but still an element standing in groups, (builders and in supermarket(s)). Some appear to think it is some form of holiday so they are having bar-b-ques or driving into the countryside. I have offered the service of my 12 bore to HMG in order to change their attitude. You know, shoot a few to persuade the many sort of approach, but as yet they haven't got back to me.

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post Mar 26 2020, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 26 2020, 08:54 AM) *
I can only speak for myself but fine at the moment thank you. Most are heeding official advice and staying in the house if practical but still an element standing in groups, (builders and in supermarket(s)). Some appear to think it is some form of holiday so they are having bar-b-ques or driving into the countryside. I have offered the service of my 12 bore to HMG in order to change their attitude. You know, shoot a few to persuade the many sort of approach, but as yet they haven't got back to me.

Stay safe contributors and readers alike.


It's interesting how "stay safe" has become the new "take care". Or in other words try your best to take steps to minimise your risk of illness/death.
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post Mar 26 2020, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Mar 26 2020, 08:32 PM) *
It's interesting how "stay safe" has become the new "take care". Or in other words try your best to take steps to minimise your risk of illness/death.


Speaking of steps. Just wonder if those public spirited souls who think it a good idea to go for a stroll in the sun will wash their hands thoroughly after they remove their shoes having probably picked up the virus on the sole of their footwear? Not to mention carrying it to their neighbourhood. If we ALL adhered to the government directive we may just have reached the peak, but with a percentage of complete cretins thinking it's a wheeze, we are in for a long summer. angry.gif


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post Mar 29 2020, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 26 2020, 10:31 PM) *
Speaking of steps. Just wonder if those public spirited souls who think it a good idea to go for a stroll in the sun will wash their hands thoroughly after they remove their shoes having probably picked up the virus on the sole of their footwear? Not to mention carrying it to their neighbourhood. If we ALL adhered to the government directive we may just have reached the peak, but with a percentage of complete cretins thinking it's a wheeze, we are in for a long summer. angry.gif

There seem to be a lot of people who are unclear of the directives. Here they are:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/...way-from-others

1. Staying at home
You should only leave the house for very limited purposes:

shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possible.
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid or escape risk of injury or harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.
travelling for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home.
These reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household.

These measures must be followed by everyone. Separate advice is available for individuals or households who are isolating, and for the most vulnerable who need to be shielded. Where parents do not live in the same household, children under 18 can be moved between their parents’ homes.

The Government has also identified a number of critical workers whose children can still go to school or their childcare provider. This critical worker definition does not affect whether or not you can travel to work - if you are not a critical worker, you may still travel to work provided you cannot work from home.

Critical workers and parents of vulnerable children may leave the house to take children to and from school or their childcare provider.

Other critical public services – such as social services, support for victims, support provided by the Department for Work and Pensions, or the justice system – should be provided and accessed remotely whenever possible, but you can leave the house to access them when physical attendance is absolutely necessary. House moves should be delayed unless moving is unavoidable.

2. Closing certain businesses and venues
To reduce social contact, the Government has ordered certain businesses and venues to close. More detailed information and exemptions can be found here, including the full list of those businesses and other venues that must close, but they include:

pubs, cinemas and theatres
all retail with notable exceptions – these closures include clothing and electronics stores; hair, beauty and nail salons; and outdoor and indoor markets, excluding food markets
libraries, community centres, and youth centres
indoor and outdoor leisure facilities such as bowling alleys, arcades and soft play facilities
communal places within parks, such as playgrounds, sports courts and outdoor gyms
places of worship, except for funerals attended by immediate families
hotels, hostels, bed and breakfasts, campsites, caravan parks, and boarding houses for commercial/leisure use, excluding permanent residents, key workers and those providing emergency accommodation, for example for the homeless
Other businesses can remain open and their employees can travel to work, provided they cannot work from home.

3. Stopping public gatherings
To make sure people are staying at home and apart from each other, the Government is also stopping all public gatherings of more than two people.

There are only exceptions to this rule for very limited purposes:

where the gathering is of a group of people who live together – this means that a parent can, for example, take their children to the shops if there is no option to leave them at home
where the gathering is essential for work purposes - but workers should try to minimise all meetings and other gatherings in the workplace
In addition, the Government is stopping social events, including weddings, baptisms and other religious ceremonies. This excludes funerals, which can be attended by immediate family.

4. Going to work
As set out in the section on staying at home, you can travel for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home.

With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on.

Employers and employees should discuss their working arrangements, and employers should take every possible step to facilitate their employees working from home, including providing suitable IT and equipment to enable remote working.

Sometimes this will not be possible, as not everyone can work from home. Certain jobs require people to travel to, from and for their work – for instance if they operate machinery, work in construction or manufacturing, or are delivering front line services.

If you cannot work from home then you can still travel for work purposes, provided you are not showing coronavirus symptoms and neither you nor any of your household are self-isolating. This is consistent with advice from the Chief Medical Officer.

Employers who have people in their offices or onsite should ensure that employees are able to follow Public Health England guidelines including, where possible, maintaining a 2 metre distance from others, and washing their hands with soap and water often for at least 20 seconds (or using hand sanitiser gel if soap and water is not available).

Work carried out in people’s homes, for example by tradespeople carrying out repairs and maintenance, can continue, provided that the tradesperson is well and has no symptoms. Again, it will be important to ensure that Public Health England guidelines, including maintaining a 2 metre distance from any household occupants, are followed to ensure everyone’s safety.

No work should be carried out in any household which is isolating or where an individual is being shielded, unless it is to remedy a direct risk to the safety of the household, such as emergency plumbing or repairs, and where the tradesperson is willing to do so. In such cases, Public Health England can provide advice to tradespeople and households.

No work should be carried out by a tradesperson who has coronavirus symptoms, however mild.

As set out in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the Government has published guidance on which organisations are covered by this requirement. Advice for employees of these organisations on employment and financial support is available at gov.uk/coronavirus.

At all times, workers should follow the guidance on self-isolation if they or anyone in their household shows symptoms.
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post Mar 29 2020, 09:45 AM
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The information just posted by Newres is useful but is primarily targeted at the obtuse end of society who know absolutely nothing about how a virus works nor care. I would certainly impose more draconian measures such as shopping limited to two visits per week and only one family member, NO outside exercise such as walking/running/cycling or driving to the countryside to exercise fido, and certainly come down hard on those idiots who behaving in an anti-social manner towards those who have to work in the present environment. Spoke to a bloke the other day who was off to see his estranged children, when I pointed out the obvious risk he said " I'm healthy and it doesn't effect kids". FFS!!! Every idiot like this is adding a month to the problem and god knows how many deaths.

GET TOUGH BORIS or history may not look kindly on you angry.gif .......assuming there is anyone to write it rolleyes.gif


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post Mar 29 2020, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 29 2020, 10:45 AM) *
The information just posted by Newres is useful but is primarily targeted at the obtuse end of society who know absolutely nothing about how a virus works nor care. I would certainly impose more draconian measures such as shopping limited to two visits per week and only one family member, NO outside exercise such as walking/running/cycling or driving to the countryside to exercise fido, and certainly come down hard on those idiots who behaving in an anti-social manner towards those who have to work in the present environment. Spoke to a bloke the other day who was off to see his estranged children, when I pointed out the obvious risk he said " I'm healthy and it doesn't effect kids". FFS!!! Every idiot like this is adding a month to the problem and god knows how many deaths.

GET TOUGH BORIS or history may not look kindly on you angry.gif .......assuming there is anyone to write it rolleyes.gif

Unfortunately though the leading scientists don't have your expertise to call on. I'll just do as I'm told.
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post Mar 29 2020, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2020, 11:48 AM) *
Unfortunately though the leading scientists don't have your expertise to call on. I'll just do as I'm told.


Plenty of "experts" out there but it is the virologists, (past and present), you need to listen too. cool.gif


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post Mar 29 2020, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 29 2020, 11:59 AM) *
Plenty of "experts" out there but it is the virologists, (past and present), you need to listen too. cool.gif

The government has sat on its hands over this. I was discussing and planning on how to lock up my 83 year old mum two weeks before the buffoon of a PM called his first Cobra meeting. This was preventable in this country.
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post Mar 29 2020, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2020, 07:59 PM) *
The government has sat on its hands over this. I was discussing and planning on how to lock up my 83 year old mum two weeks before the buffoon of a PM called his first Cobra meeting. This was preventable in this country.

Quite agree. If we had closed the borders (all flights, trains and boats) in early January and had deployed the Navy and Army. I would hazard guess though that if this had happened what the reaction would have been from Femi and all the #FBPE crazies...not to mention you....😂
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post Mar 29 2020, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 29 2020, 08:23 PM) *
Quite agree. If we had closed the borders (all flights, trains and boats) in early January and had deployed the Navy and Army. I would hazard guess though that if this had happened what the reaction would have been from Femi and all the #FBPE crazies...not to mention you....😂

Not from me. I’d have supported it. Or 14 days enforced quarantine on arrival. The issue we faced was idiots saying it’s no worse than seasonal flu.

Can’t see why we’d have needed the military though.
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post Mar 31 2020, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 29 2020, 08:23 PM) *
Quite agree. If we had closed the borders (all flights, trains and boats) in early January and had deployed the Navy and Army. I would hazard guess though that if this had happened what the reaction would have been from Femi and all the #FBPE crazies...not to mention you....😂


See the police are now being criticised for appearing to take a "heavy handed" approach on those taking a stroll out in the countryside with Fido. Doesn't matter about the poor sods who live and work out there angry.gif . On a positive the supermarkets had a record turnover for the month which will give shareholders the income to load up the 4x4 and take Fido for a walk in the........ laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Mar 31 2020, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2020, 08:35 PM) *
Not from me. I’d have supported it. Or 14 days enforced quarantine on arrival. The issue we faced was idiots saying it’s no worse than seasonal flu.

Can’t see why we’d have needed the military though.


Can you imagine the state of the Channel if we had zero cases?? Would have been rammed full of smugglers and French and Spanish fishing boats full of migrants... we would have had to barb wire the beaches and only allow arrivals at specific landing points..
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post Mar 31 2020, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2020, 08:35 PM) *
Not from me. I’d have supported it. Or 14 days enforced quarantine on arrival. The issue we faced was idiots saying it’s no worse than seasonal flu.

Can’t see why we’d have needed the military though.


Do not under estimate seasonal flu. The difference with this little chap is that it has not been, (identified), in humans before and therefore is being transmitted at will. Those who have previously been exposed to "normal" flu or have received the annual vaccination are less likely to "incubate" the virus whereas Covid 19 goes from one person to another quite readily. The only way to stop it's spread is quite simply to keep contact to a minimum and that may need the military to implement if the idiot brigade do not adhere to the directives.

Seems the problem is that the government does not want to be accused of implementing a police state which is why they are using the "pleasy please " approach but that is scant consolation to someone who has lost a family member.


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post Mar 31 2020, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 31 2020, 04:06 PM) *
Do not under estimate seasonal flu. The difference with this little chap is that it has not been, (identified), in humans before and therefore is being transmitted at will. Those who have previously been exposed to "normal" flu or have received the annual vaccination are less likely to "incubate" the virus whereas Covid 19 goes from one person to another quite readily. The only way to stop it's spread is quite simply to keep contact to a minimum and that may need the military to implement if the idiot brigade do not adhere to the directives.

Seems the problem is that the government does not want to be accused of implementing a police state which is why they are using the "pleasy please " approach but that is scant consolation to someone who has lost a family member.


Personally I would like to see a police state.

2.5 week lockdown. No one leaves any house.
250000 volunteers distribute food / medicines
At end of 2.5 weeks those 250000 go into 2.5 week lockdown.

Army / Police / Navy split over 5 weeks on street to enforce. Armed with tasers / firearms
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post Apr 1 2020, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 31 2020, 06:01 PM) *
Personally I would like to see a police state.

2.5 week lockdown. No one leaves any house.
250000 volunteers distribute food / medicines
At end of 2.5 weeks those 250000 go into 2.5 week lockdown.

Army / Police / Navy split over 5 weeks on street to enforce. Armed with tasers / firearms


Since when did a government do the "sensible" thing? An elderly couple walked past the house earlier coughing his heart up and obviously not local. Now if he is in the early stages of infection he has left a trail of the virus just waiting for the next living host to latch on to. Meanwhile the death toll keeps rising and all they can waffle on about is increasing testing. angry.gif


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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 31 2020, 11:47 AM) *
Can you imagine the state of the Channel if we had zero cases?? Would have been rammed full of smugglers and French and Spanish fishing boats full of migrants... we would have had to barb wire the beaches and only allow arrivals at specific landing points..

Don’t let a global pandemic and loss of life get in the way off your usual racist xenophobic drivel. Spare a thought too for all the immigrants keeping the country going in the NHS and delivery services.
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 1 2020, 03:22 PM) *
Don’t let a global pandemic and loss of life get in the way off your usual racist xenophobic drivel. Spare a thought too for all the immigrants keeping the country going in the NHS and delivery services.

Don't let facts get in the way. Its people like you....the globalisation champions that I personally blame.🙄
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