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May 11 2020, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 11 2020, 08:59 AM) Femi says, "Don't bother clapping for NHS". Nice. 🤬 Just a shame this virus is not a little more selective in choosing it's victims.
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May 11 2020, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 11 2020, 03:21 PM) I see it's made the BBC now... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-52...-singapore-parkI say arm the dogs and send em out!! Which end takes bickies and consequently bites? Little doubt, providing we are still around by then, robots will be the new "bobby on the beat" within 50 years.
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May 11 2020, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ May 11 2020, 09:09 AM) Just a shame this virus is not a little more selective in choosing it's victims. I’ve never clapped for the NHS. It’s just Tory virtue signaling.
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May 11 2020, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 11 2020, 08:04 PM) I’ve never clapped for the NHS. It’s just Tory virtue signaling. The deification of the NHS is not something I subscribe to either. One of my mates wife is an ICU NHS nurse at a North London Hospital. They are down to ten Covid patients and the rest of the hospital is empty due to everyone being scared to death of the virus. She was supposed to do a shift over the weekend but was told not to come in as they literally had nothing for her to do. To class it as Tory virtue signalling is nonsense. Plenty of #fbpe liberal remainers are the worst offenders.
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May 11 2020, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 11 2020, 08:04 PM) I’ve never clapped for the NHS. It’s just Tory virtue signaling. To clap or not to clap is down to the individual and I respect both standpoints but what I do object to is criticising the opposing stance.
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May 11 2020, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 11 2020, 08:04 PM) I’ve never clapped for the NHS. It’s just Tory virtue signaling. No, no it's really not. Your problem is you're so blinkered it's now turned you into a clownish figure of fun. Sad, sad little man.
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May 12 2020, 03:55 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 11 2020, 08:04 PM) I’ve never clapped for the NHS. It’s just Tory virtue signaling. I get your point but you can clap and also proactively campaign for better pay and conditions for NHS and care workers at the same time.
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May 12 2020, 08:18 AM
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 12 2020, 04:55 AM) I get your point but you can clap and also proactively campaign for better pay and conditions for NHS and care workers at the same time. The best way to reward the NHS front line is to do your best to stop the spread of this virus. This is achieved quite simply by keeping away from everyone. No excuses. Latest research indicates that C 19 can travel unaided 13 feet through the air, (over twice the distancing recommendation), is likely to be picked up on the sole of ones shoe, and remains active on most surfaces up to 48 hours. Which means all those feckless individuals who think they have a right to still carry on their lives as normal are prolonging the problem. Support comes in many guises.
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May 12 2020, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ May 12 2020, 09:18 AM) The best way to reward the NHS front line is to do your best to stop the spread of this virus. Obviously that is the best way to reward the NHS front line in the short term but clearly not in the long term when this is all over. I am continuing to stay at home as much as I can currently but due to practical constraints I need to interact with others from time to time, mainly in shops and pharmacies. Quite frankly I am a danger to others and myself when I do this but given the lack of available testing, contact tracing, vaccination and reasonably priced deliveries within a sensible length of time I have no choice but to continue doing this.
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May 12 2020, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 12 2020, 10:13 AM) Obviously that is the best way to reward the NHS front line in the short term but clearly not in the long term when this is all over. I am continuing to stay at home as much as I can currently but due to practical constraints I need to interact with others from time to time, mainly in shops and pharmacies. Quite frankly I am a danger to others and myself when I do this but given the lack of available testing, contact tracing, vaccination and reasonably priced deliveries within a sensible length of time I have no choice but to continue doing this. Indeed, it's rather unfortunate but most of us have to have some form of contact with others merely to survive, however, the message is clear, keep that contact to an absolute minimum, wash your hands constantly, and stay at home wherever possible. And I'm afraid the sight of people actually coming together, in groups, merely to be seen to be applauding the NHS is farcical and merely reinforces the fact that most people just don't understand.
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May 12 2020, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 12 2020, 10:25 AM) Indeed, it's rather unfortunate but most of us have to have some form of contact with others merely to survive, however, the message is clear, keep that contact to an absolute minimum, wash your hands constantly, and stay at home wherever possible. And I'm afraid the sight of people actually coming together, in groups, merely to be seen to be applauding the NHS is farcical and merely reinforces the fact that most people just don't understand. One would have thought that the least they could do is read up on the subject, after all they have sod all else to do. But no they would rather listen to "their mate" on social media who thinks he knows, but obviously doesn't. Mind you Boris is not exactly helping with his ambiguous advice.
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May 12 2020, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ May 12 2020, 11:23 AM) One would have thought that the least they could do is read up on the subject, after all they have sod all else to do. But no they would rather listen to "their mate" on social media who thinks he knows, but obviously doesn't. Mind you Boris is not exactly helping with his ambiguous advice. Quite, and use common sense. Essentially, nothing has changed, all we are really asked to do is try and get to work, if we can't work at home. If we can't manage that without breaching the social distancing riles, then don't go. Just to give a slight relief we can also see a relative outside if we keep the distance rule. We can also be outside for more than an hour, again, if we keep the distant rule. What's unclear about that? Of course HMG are suggesting we can start thinking about getting kiddies back to school, even for a month....but the usual screeching and screaming from the usual sources won't make that straightforward. The Government must realise that teachers can't do anything at all without being told how in minute detail. Given they dealt with the Evacuation in 1939 with hardly any notice or formal instruction, almost perfectly, where have we gone wrong since? Nonetheless, given the statistics, I can understand the concern and worry of the older generation. Where did the following generations become so dependent on others telling them what to do in any given context? Has a lifetime in Europe really damaged our national phsicie that much?
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May 12 2020, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ May 12 2020, 03:32 PM) Quite, and use common sense. Essentially, nothing has changed, all we are really asked to do is try and get to work, if we can't work at home. If we can't manage that without breaching the social distancing riles, then don't go. Just to give a slight relief we can also see a relative outside if we keep the distance rule. We can also be outside for more than an hour, again, if we keep the distant rule. What's unclear about that?
Of course HMG are suggesting we can start thinking about getting kiddies back to school, even for a month....but the usual screeching and screaming from the usual sources won't make that straightforward. The Government must realise that teachers can't do anything at all without being told how in minute detail. Given they dealt with the Evacuation in 1939 with hardly any notice or formal instruction, almost perfectly, where have we gone wrong since?
Nonetheless, given the statistics, I can understand the concern and worry of the older generation. Where did the following generations become so dependent on others telling them what to do in any given context? Has a lifetime in Europe really damaged our national phsicie that much? I still maintain, rightly or wrongly, that the "nanny" state came about under the Blair administration. I appreciate other factors apply but either way we have found ourselves with a vast proportion of the population unable to think for themselves. In a way that is of more concern than the virus itself as if it had been a more virulent strain our inability to cope would be catastrophic. Being a member state should have had little influence or the Germans and Dutch would be equally obtuse. We do need to get the workplace back to something like but those of us who, for whatever reason, have no need to go out can assist by staying out of the way
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May 12 2020, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ May 12 2020, 06:37 PM) I still maintain, rightly or wrongly, that the "nanny" state came about under the Blair administration. I appreciate other factors apply but either way we have found ourselves with a vast proportion of the population unable to think for themselves. In a way that is of more concern than the virus itself as if it had been a more virulent strain our inability to cope would be catastrophic. Being a member state should have had little influence or the Germans and Dutch would be equally obtuse. We do need to get the workplace back to something like but those of us who, for whatever reason, have no need to go out can assist by staying out of the way There's something in that. Certainly his tinkering with the education system which made it 'one size fits all' and 'learning' by rote did great damage compounded by his technical college university scheme. All of which dumbed down Britain - so offering an open door to the progressive nation states like Germany to seize the advantage - perhaps then, all the EU did was provide the opportunity. Future is looking bleaker by the moment.
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May 13 2020, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ May 12 2020, 03:32 PM) Quite, and use common sense. Essentially, nothing has changed, all we are really asked to do is try and get to work, if we can't work at home. If we can't manage that without breaching the social distancing riles, then don't go. Just to give a slight relief we can also see a relative outside if we keep the distance rule. We can also be outside for more than an hour, again, if we keep the distant rule. What's unclear about that?
Of course HMG are suggesting we can start thinking about getting kiddies back to school, even for a month....but the usual screeching and screaming from the usual sources won't make that straightforward. The Government must realise that teachers can't do anything at all without being told how in minute detail. Given they dealt with the Evacuation in 1939 with hardly any notice or formal instruction, almost perfectly, where have we gone wrong since?
Nonetheless, given the statistics, I can understand the concern and worry of the older generation. Where did the following generations become so dependent on others telling them what to do in any given context? Has a lifetime in Europe really damaged our national phsicie that much? What’s unclear about that? You state that there was an hour rule. There wasn’t. What’s unclear about that?
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May 13 2020, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 13 2020, 06:37 PM) What’s unclear about that? You state that there was an hour rule. There wasn’t. What’s unclear about that? On a more upbeat note it appears that in West Berks at least the outbreak is now very small. I do wish the authorities would be a little more precise about the location of the individuals diagnosed though. So for today 1 more person in West Berks has been tested +ve.. But where? An area would be useful.
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May 13 2020, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 13 2020, 06:37 PM) What’s unclear about that? You state that there was an hour rule. There wasn’t. What’s unclear about that? https://secretldn.com/rules-for-daily-exercise/I'm sure you'd not wanted to have paid for the Telegraph and would have seen the Guardian. TDH comment about knowing exactly where someone with a positive test resides is quite relevant here. On 'Social Media' someone provided a monthly reported death breakdown by Council Ward for West Berkshire. That caused quite some debate, mainly because there was an unusually large number reported for Clay Hill. When mentioned the Hospital in Turnpike Road or the several nursing homes in the ward, lots complaints about lack of privacy etc.etc. Little wonder the powers that be seem reluctant to give more info. than they have to, because it would seem 'we' simply can't cope with it.
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