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post Dec 31 2018, 06:08 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 30 2018, 09:44 PM) *
Can't answer. He is being obtuse as he can't. It's what he does.

FTFY
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Andy Capp
post Dec 31 2018, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 30 2018, 09:44 PM) *
Can't even be bothered to answer. He is being obtuse as he can't. It's what he does.

He did answer it correctly:

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 29 2018, 10:33 PM) *
Can you explain to me your definition of someone who is not a refugee? Enlighten me...


QUOTE (newres @ Dec 30 2018, 07:31 AM) *
Someone who has not left home to escape war or political violence.


A refugee is someone who seeks shelter after fleeing a war torn country.

Therefore, someone who is not a refugee is someone who has not fleed a war torn country.

Were you meant to have asked: give me an example of a migrant who is not a refugee?
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post Dec 31 2018, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 31 2018, 12:01 PM) *
He did answer it correctly:





A refugee is someone who seeks shelter after fleeing a war torn country.

Therefore, someone who is not a refugee is someone who has not fleed a war torn country.

Were you meant to have asked: give me an example of a migrant who is not a refugee?


The issue is newres seems to THINK everyone is a refugee if they don't live in a prosperous country. I don't. Some of these Iranians are paying 20k just to cross. 5 adults at 4k a pop. They are not short of a few Bob and they are "fleeing" the 6th biggest economy in the world. France. Doesn't quite add up to a refugee in my view.
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post Dec 31 2018, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 31 2018, 03:09 PM) *
The issue is newres seems to THINK everyone is a refugee if they don't live in a prosperous country. I don't. Some of these Iranians are paying 20k just to cross. 5 adults at 4k a pop. They are not short of a few Bob and they are "fleeing" the 6th biggest economy in the world. France. Doesn't quite add up to a refugee in my view.

My answer totally contradicts this though. If you focussed on facts rather than what you believe you’d be less angry.

Wealthy people can be refugees by the way. Which double contradicts your point that they are after our welfare system. Think of the wealthy Jews fleeing Nazism.
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post Dec 31 2018, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Dec 31 2018, 04:29 PM) *
My answer totally contradicts this though. If you focussed on facts rather than what you believe you’d be less angry.

Wealthy people can be refugees by the way. Which double contradicts your point that they are after our welfare system. Think of the wealthy Jews fleeing Nazism.


Why is an opinion you disagree with "angry"? I guess all the Russian billionaires who have fallen out with Putin are also "refugees" then???
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post Dec 31 2018, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 31 2018, 04:36 PM) *
Why is an opinion you disagree with "angry"? I guess all the Russian billionaires who have fallen out with Putin are also "refugees" then???

He's an SJP (social justice potato).
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post Dec 31 2018, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 31 2018, 03:09 PM) *
The issue is newres seems to THINK everyone is a refugee if they don't live in a prosperous country. I don't. Some of these Iranians are paying 20k just to cross. 5 adults at 4k a pop. They are not short of a few Bob and they are "fleeing" the 6th biggest economy in the world. France. Doesn't quite add up to a refugee in my view.


So what is wrong with boarding an A350 from Tehran and landing at Heathrow? Certainly cheaper and less hassle, which poses the question, what is the truth behind the headlines? Note to self, must buy copy of Grauniad next time out. rolleyes.gif
How many families in this country could lay their hands on 20K let alone those who feel threatened in a middle eastern plutocracy? One for the historians to mull over next century.


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post Dec 31 2018, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 31 2018, 04:36 PM) *
Why is an opinion you disagree with "angry"? I guess all the Russian billionaires who have fallen out with Putin are also "refugees" then???

All gammons are angry. Goes with the territory. tongue.gif
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post Dec 31 2018, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Dec 31 2018, 07:03 PM) *
So what is wrong with boarding an A350 from Tehran and landing at Heathrow? Certainly cheaper and less hassle, which poses the question, what is the truth behind the headlines? Note to self, must buy copy of Grauniad next time out. rolleyes.gif
How many families in this country could lay their hands on 20K let alone those who feel threatened in a middle eastern plutocracy? One for the historians to mull over next century.


Quite. I don't buy the while migrant crisis thing just before the brexit vote and I also don't buy all these Iranians with 20k on the hip not being mugged by the Africans that have been in France for months if not years. Smacks of Soros / Our Government / EU / Far right money. Actually suits em all!! Well dodgy.
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post Dec 31 2018, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Dec 31 2018, 07:33 PM) *
All gammons are angry. Goes with the territory. tongue.gif

That's rubbish. It's a bit like saying all liberals are gay. Just stereotypical nonsense. And you.know it.
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post Dec 31 2018, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 31 2018, 07:36 PM) *
That's rubbish. It's a bit like saying all liberals are gay. Just stereotypical nonsense. And you.know it.

No. Gammons are red faced and angry. That’s why they are gammons. Tautological. Yes?
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post Dec 31 2018, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Dec 31 2018, 08:14 PM) *
No. Gammons are red faced and angry. That’s why they are gammons. Tautological. Yes?

As all leftys are damp palmed salivating chromosome deficient potatoes. Yes?
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post Dec 31 2018, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Dec 31 2018, 08:14 PM) *
No. Gammons are red faced and angry. That’s why they are gammons. Tautological. Yes?

Do you think all brexiteers are "Gammons"?
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post Dec 31 2018, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 31 2018, 08:36 PM) *
As all leftys are damp palmed salivating chromosome deficient potatoes. Yes?

Love the fact it thinks we believe "tautological" is part of his vocabulary. I'll just go old school. Bell and End come to.mind.😂
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post Dec 31 2018, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 31 2018, 08:37 PM) *
Do you think all brexiteers are "Gammons"?

All gammons are Brexiteers, but not all Brexiteers are gammons.
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post Dec 31 2018, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Dec 31 2018, 09:04 PM) *
All gammons are Brexiteers, but not all Brexiteers are gammons.

Not all tools are liberals but all liberals are tools. It's axiomatic.
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post Jan 1 2019, 07:00 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Dec 31 2018, 09:04 PM) *
All gammons are Brexiteers, but not all Brexiteers are gammons.

I take that back. All Brexiteers are Gammons, but not all that voted Brexit are Brexiteers. Many have changed their minds.
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post Jan 1 2019, 07:20 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 1 2019, 07:00 AM) *
I take that back. All Brexiteers are Gammons, but not all that voted Brexit are Brexiteers. Many have changed their minds.

And many remainers are now brexiteers as they take offence at the #fbpe crowd and sneering liberal elitists like this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mps-must...wrong-fq2tspd7v

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post Jan 1 2019, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 1 2019, 07:20 AM) *
And many remainers are now brexiteers as they take offence at the #fbpe crowd and sneering liberal elitists like this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mps-must...wrong-fq2tspd7v

Well they were wrong. However MPs can now ask us just to make sure we're sure. May's deal or remain. I'm content now to accept either, though I think it's better to remain. A hard Brexit with no deal is off the table.
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post Jan 1 2019, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 31 2018, 10:11 PM) *
Not all tools are liberals but all liberals are tools. It's axiomatic.


The center ground occupied by the Liberals, Labour and the Conservatives (and others) are Liberals.
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