Merry xmas and peace and goodwill to all god's creatures. Options

[SirWilliam]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-46682976

Is there really any point in saving this planet when it is inhabited by cretins like this?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-46682976

Is there really any point in saving this planet when it is inhabited by cretins like this?

Winter is coming. Never a better time to leave the EU. We will be able to react quickly to global economic meltdown. The EU won't.

[newres]

Winter is coming. Never a better time to leave the EU. We will be able to react quickly to global economic meltdown. The EU won't.

Be alert. Britain's gonna need 'em.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Be alert. Britain's gonna need 'em.

Why? I have my house in Switzerland and a dual Swiss / UK passport if Brexit works great if not then no worries.

[Andy Capp]

All this cobblers: there are far too many people with vested interests in many outcomes to see either the EU or UK go down the pan.

We’re playing into Putin’s hands though.

[newres]

Why? I have my house in Switzerland and a dual Swiss / UK passport if Brexit works great if not then no worries.

We won’t know for 50 years.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

We won’t know for 50 years.

I thought the sky was going to fall in on the 29th March? I bought some locust repellent a while back. Have I wasted my money?

[newres]

I thought the sky was going to fall in on the 29th March? I bought some locust repellent a while back. Have I wasted my money?

We were also told by DD that Mrs Merkel would be on the blower the morning after the referendum to do a trade deal. That didn’t happen either.

[je suis Charlie]

We were also told by DD that Mrs Merkel would be on the blower the morning after the referendum to do a trade deal. That didn’t happen either.

Think Mutti's a bit busy at the moment, what with all the immigrants and her getting kicked out. Lots in her diary already, like looking for a job.

[newres]

Think Mutti's a bit busy at the moment, what with all the immigrants and her getting kicked out. Lots in her diary already, like looking for a job.

Just like our PM then.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Just like our PM then.

Funny how all these migrants are still trying to cross the channel from France. Why?

[newres]

Funny how all these migrants are still trying to cross the channel from France. Why?

Because they have family here? Because they have heard Britain is a safe country? Because they want our health care? Lots of reasons. But why can’t they just hop on a ferry if we’re in the EU?

[je suis Charlie]

Because they have family here? Because they have heard Britain is a safe country? Because they want our health care? Lots of reasons. But why can’t they just hop on a ferry if we’re in the EU?

Or, words got round about the vulnerable young girls, free housing, free money and whole busloads of simpering damp palmed liberals ready to egg them on.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Or, words got round about the vulnerable young girls, free housing, free money and whole busloads of simpering damp palmed liberals ready to egg them on.

Don't understand it myself. Isn't the EU a paradise? Why leave a paradise for Brexageddon? Someone told me the other day they were a "brexugee".😂

[SirWilliam]

Wouldn't it be more cost effective to ship them across the channel on a ferry; process their credentials and return those who don't meet the criteria on the next crossing?
On a subjective matter, what has all this to do with japanese whaling?

[newres]

Wouldn't it be more cost effective to ship them across the channel on a ferry; process their credentials and return those who don't meet the criteria on the next crossing?
On a subjective matter, what has all this to do with japanese whaling?

Had it escaped your notice that this site has been taken over by extreme right wingers? NWN ought to pull the plug in my opinion.

[x2lls]

Had it escaped your notice that this site has been taken over by extreme right wingers? NWN ought to pull the plug in my opinion.

Extreme right wingers? The comedy continues eh?
BTW, they are NOT migrants, they are illegal aliens attempting to buck the system, so should be treated as such.

[newres]

Extreme right wingers? The comedy continues eh?
BTW, they are NOT migrants, they are illegal aliens attempting to buck the system, so should be treated as such.

They are neither. They are refugees from a war caused by western governments. You’re just too indoctrinated by right wing media to see it.

[x2lls]

They are neither. They are refugees from a war caused by western governments. You’re just too indoctrinated by right wing media to see it.

Refugees?

So why do they end up in small boats trying to sneak in illegally?

[SirWilliam]

They are neither. They are refugees from a war caused by western governments. You’re just too indoctrinated by right wing media to see it.

I would prefer you said "ongoing conflict" caused by idealists from all sides than lay the blame squarely on the West. I agree it was folly to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, but if we hadn't they would still be killing each other and blowing up the odd european shopping centre just for the h**l of it. Two thousand years of aggression will not come to an end on the say of some US president nor will the Arab world be united and live in harmony. Most of the migrants are from North Africa where, to the best of my knowledge, we are not engaged in any form, so we either have an open door policy and allow unfettered access or say sorry we are full go elsewhere.

[newres]

Refugees?

So why do they end up in small boats trying to sneak in illegally?

Is there an internationally accepted mode of transport for refugees? What were the Vietnamese Boat People? More idiotic hate filled nonsense.

[newres]

I would prefer you said "ongoing conflict" caused by idealists from all sides than lay the blame squarely on the West. I agree it was folly to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, but if we hadn't they would still be killing each other and blowing up the odd european shopping centre just for the h**l of it. Two thousand years of aggression will not come to an end on the say of some US president nor will the Arab world be united and live in harmony. Most of the migrants are from North Africa where, to the best of my knowledge, we are not engaged in any form, so we either have an open door policy and allow unfettered access or say sorry we are full go elsewhere.

That’s full of holes.

The source really of the conflict is Israel and US support of Israel. It’s not a 2,000 year old conflict.

As for Arabs killing each other. So what? Let them do as they please. In fact arguably they were doing a pretty good job of keeping the lid on things until we invaded.

The reports I’ve seen suggest the boat people are Syrian, Afghanis and Iranians. Not North Africans.

[je suis Charlie]

That’s full of holes.

The source really of the conflict is Israel and US support of Israel. It’s not a 2,000 year old conflict.

As for Arabs killing each other. So what? Let them do as they please. In fact arguably they were doing a pretty good job of keeping the lid on things until we invaded.

The reports I’ve seen suggest the boat people are Syrian, Afghanis and Iranians. Not North Africans.

What about all the Eritreans? Sudanese? Algerians? Libyans? Tunisians? Go to the channel ports, look at them, they're not Arabs, not by a long chalk! But, and here's the important bit, let's not let facts faze your limp wristed liberal take on things.

[x2lls]

Is there an internationally accepted mode of transport for refugees? What were the Vietnamese Boat People? More idiotic hate filled nonsense.

As the BBC has reported. They have been secretly filming the people traffickers in action, charging between £3000 and £4000 per person.

If you recall, Australia dealt with the influx all those decades ago.

[x2lls]

Is there an internationally accepted mode of transport for refugees? What were the Vietnamese Boat People? More idiotic hate filled nonsense.

OH, and the Vietnamese were genuine refugees from a communist regime. They didn't bring rape, killing and no-go zones either.
You ARE a communist aren't you?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

OH, and the Vietnamese were genuine refugees from a communist regime. They didn't bring rape, killing and no-go zones either.
You ARE a communist aren't you?

He just wants to feel good about himself, but expect someone else to house them. Newres should be combing Dover seeking out wealthy Iranian illegals to house in chez Newres🤣

[newres]

OH, and the Vietnamese were genuine refugees from a communist regime. They didn't bring rape, killing and no-go zones either.
You ARE a communist aren't you?

No go zones? Donald Trump tell you that?

Interestingly the US were involved in Vietnam too.

More right wing hate filled and thick nonsense.

[newres]

He just wants to feel good about himself, but expect someone else to house them. Newres should be combing Dover seeking out wealthy Iranian illegals to house in chez Newres🤣

I expect us to take care of genuine refugees. I contribute through taxes.

[je suis Charlie]

I expect us to take care of genuine refugees. I contribute through taxes.

Aww, bless. Newres, half loon, half liberal. How sweet.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

I expect us to take care of genuine refugees. I contribute through taxes.

Can you explain to me your definition of someone who is not a refugee? Enlighten me...

[x2lls]

I expect us to take care of genuine refugees. I contribute through taxes.

You need to listen to Lucy Moreton son.

“We’ve been warning government for weeks this is a problem which is escalating & it’s not going to go away. People smugglers are openly touting in Calais”

I say take the traffickers out by any means necessary.

[newres]

You need to listen to Lucy Moreton son.

“We’ve been warning government for weeks this is a problem which is escalating & it’s not going to go away. People smugglers are openly touting in Calais”

I say take the traffickers out by any means necessary.

They are scum. I agree.

[newres]

Can you explain to me your definition of someone who is not a refugee? Enlighten me...

Someone who has not left home to escape war or political violence.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Someone who has not left home to escape war or political violence.

So an economic migrant is a refugee to you. 🤔

[newres]

So an economic migrant is a refugee to you. 🤔

No. Did you confuse yourself with the **** about face way you phrased the question?

[Andy1]

I would prefer you said "ongoing conflict" caused by idealists from all sides than lay the blame squarely on the West. I agree it was folly to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, but if we hadn't they would still be killing each other and blowing up the odd european shopping centre just for the h**l of it. Two thousand years of aggression will not come to an end on the say of some US president nor will the Arab world be united and live in harmony. Most of the migrants are from North Africa where, to the best of my knowledge, we are not engaged in any form, so we either have an open door policy and allow unfettered access or say sorry we are full go elsewhere.

Take your uranium, oil, diamonds, copper and anything else we want elsewhere.

[SirWilliam]

Take your uranium, oil, diamonds, copper and anything else we want elsewhere.

The irony being that those who seek a life in europe do not see a penny of their homeland's natural assets. If it was shared around a little more evenly then this problem would not exist.

[je suis Charlie]

The irony being that those who seek a life in europe do not see a penny of their homeland's natural assets. If it was shared around a little more evenly then this problem would not exist.

Yes, yes it would. because the other governments simply spend all the assets on bigger armies, more guns and gold plated Rolls Royces to run around in. Very little goes to the general population.

[je suis Charlie]

No. Did you confuse yourself with the **** about face way you phrased the question?

What a potato.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

What a potato.

Can't even be bothered to answer. He is being obtuse as he can't. It's what he does.

[newres]

Can't answer. He is being obtuse as he can't. It's what he does.

FTFY

[Andy Capp]

Can't even be bothered to answer. He is being obtuse as he can't. It's what he does.

He did answer it correctly:

Can you explain to me your definition of someone who is not a refugee? Enlighten me...

Someone who has not left home to escape war or political violence.

A refugee is someone who seeks shelter after fleeing a war torn country.

Therefore, someone who is not a refugee is someone who has not fleed a war torn country.

Were you meant to have asked: give me an example of a migrant who is not a refugee?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

He did answer it correctly:





A refugee is someone who seeks shelter after fleeing a war torn country.

Therefore, someone who is not a refugee is someone who has not fleed a war torn country.

Were you meant to have asked: give me an example of a migrant who is not a refugee?

The issue is newres seems to THINK everyone is a refugee if they don't live in a prosperous country. I don't. Some of these Iranians are paying 20k just to cross. 5 adults at 4k a pop. They are not short of a few Bob and they are "fleeing" the 6th biggest economy in the world. France. Doesn't quite add up to a refugee in my view.

[newres]

The issue is newres seems to THINK everyone is a refugee if they don't live in a prosperous country. I don't. Some of these Iranians are paying 20k just to cross. 5 adults at 4k a pop. They are not short of a few Bob and they are "fleeing" the 6th biggest economy in the world. France. Doesn't quite add up to a refugee in my view.

My answer totally contradicts this though. If you focussed on facts rather than what you believe you’d be less angry.

Wealthy people can be refugees by the way. Which double contradicts your point that they are after our welfare system. Think of the wealthy Jews fleeing Nazism.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

My answer totally contradicts this though. If you focussed on facts rather than what you believe you’d be less angry.

Wealthy people can be refugees by the way. Which double contradicts your point that they are after our welfare system. Think of the wealthy Jews fleeing Nazism.

Why is an opinion you disagree with "angry"? I guess all the Russian billionaires who have fallen out with Putin are also "refugees" then???

[je suis Charlie]

Why is an opinion you disagree with "angry"? I guess all the Russian billionaires who have fallen out with Putin are also "refugees" then???

He's an SJP (social justice potato).

[SirWilliam]

The issue is newres seems to THINK everyone is a refugee if they don't live in a prosperous country. I don't. Some of these Iranians are paying 20k just to cross. 5 adults at 4k a pop. They are not short of a few Bob and they are "fleeing" the 6th biggest economy in the world. France. Doesn't quite add up to a refugee in my view.

So what is wrong with boarding an A350 from Tehran and landing at Heathrow? Certainly cheaper and less hassle, which poses the question, what is the truth behind the headlines? Note to self, must buy copy of Grauniad next time out.
How many families in this country could lay their hands on 20K let alone those who feel threatened in a middle eastern plutocracy? One for the historians to mull over next century.

[newres]

Why is an opinion you disagree with "angry"? I guess all the Russian billionaires who have fallen out with Putin are also "refugees" then???

All gammons are angry. Goes with the territory.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

So what is wrong with boarding an A350 from Tehran and landing at Heathrow? Certainly cheaper and less hassle, which poses the question, what is the truth behind the headlines? Note to self, must buy copy of Grauniad next time out.
How many families in this country could lay their hands on 20K let alone those who feel threatened in a middle eastern plutocracy? One for the historians to mull over next century.

Quite. I don't buy the while migrant crisis thing just before the brexit vote and I also don't buy all these Iranians with 20k on the hip not being mugged by the Africans that have been in France for months if not years. Smacks of Soros / Our Government / EU / Far right money. Actually suits em all!! Well dodgy.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

All gammons are angry. Goes with the territory.

That's rubbish. It's a bit like saying all liberals are gay. Just stereotypical nonsense. And you.know it.

[newres]

That's rubbish. It's a bit like saying all liberals are gay. Just stereotypical nonsense. And you.know it.

No. Gammons are red faced and angry. That’s why they are gammons. Tautological. Yes?

[je suis Charlie]

No. Gammons are red faced and angry. That’s why they are gammons. Tautological. Yes?

As all leftys are damp palmed salivating chromosome deficient potatoes. Yes?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

No. Gammons are red faced and angry. That’s why they are gammons. Tautological. Yes?

Do you think all brexiteers are "Gammons"?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

As all leftys are damp palmed salivating chromosome deficient potatoes. Yes?

Love the fact it thinks we believe "tautological" is part of his vocabulary. I'll just go old school. Bell and End come to.mind.😂

[newres]

Do you think all brexiteers are "Gammons"?

All gammons are Brexiteers, but not all Brexiteers are gammons.

[je suis Charlie]

All gammons are Brexiteers, but not all Brexiteers are gammons.

Not all tools are liberals but all liberals are tools. It's axiomatic.

[newres]

All gammons are Brexiteers, but not all Brexiteers are gammons.

I take that back. All Brexiteers are Gammons, but not all that voted Brexit are Brexiteers. Many have changed their minds.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

I take that back. All Brexiteers are Gammons, but not all that voted Brexit are Brexiteers. Many have changed their minds.

And many remainers are now brexiteers as they take offence at the #fbpe crowd and sneering liberal elitists like this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mps-must...wrong-fq2tspd7v

[newres]

And many remainers are now brexiteers as they take offence at the #fbpe crowd and sneering liberal elitists like this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mps-must...wrong-fq2tspd7v

Well they were wrong. However MPs can now ask us just to make sure we're sure. May's deal or remain. I'm content now to accept either, though I think it's better to remain. A hard Brexit with no deal is off the table.

[Andy Capp]

Not all tools are liberals but all liberals are tools. It's axiomatic.

The center ground occupied by the Liberals, Labour and the Conservatives (and others) are Liberals.

[Andy Capp]

All gammons are Brexiteers, but not all Brexiteers are gammons.

Nah, I’ve seen plenty gammon remainers.

[Andy Capp]

Well they were wrong. However MPs can now ask us just to make sure we're sure. May's deal or remain. I'm content now to accept either, though I think it's better to remain. A hard Brexit with no deal is off the table.

I disagree, if we don’t brexit properly, then the EU sceptics will remain as a political cancer.

[newres]

I disagree, if we don’t brexit properly, then the EU sceptics will remain as a political cancer.

What do you disagree with?

[newres]

Nah, I’ve seen plenty gammon remainers.

Contradiction in terms. Like a Brexit Libtard.

[Andy Capp]

What do you disagree with?

I don’t believe May’s deal is sufficient to cut the cancer out.

[Andy Capp]

Contradiction in terms. Like a Brexit Libtard.

It might technically, but I have seen lots of cornflake spitting from remainers of late.

[SirWilliam]

I take that back. All Brexiteers are Gammons, but not all that voted Brexit are Brexiteers. Many have changed their minds.

I would say there are as many who voted remain who now so sickened by the whole fiasco would join the leave brigade, as leavers who now believe and side with the project fear element.
The one thing that no one has pointed out is that if we do have another plebiscite we can not refuse Scotland a second say on independence. So there is more at stake than a few jollies in Strasbourg.

[newres]

I don’t believe May’s deal is sufficient to cut the cancer out.

I think your choice of the word “cancer” amply demonstrates why gammon is appropriate.

[newres]

I would say there are as many who voted remain who now so sickened by the whole fiasco would join the leave brigade, as leavers who now believe and side with the project fear element.
The one thing that no one has pointed out is that if we do have another plebiscite we can not refuse Scotland a second say on independence. So there is more at stake than a few jollies in Strasbourg.

I think there’s a tendency to think those that post on these forums are representative.

[Andy Capp]

I think your choice of the word “cancer” amply demonstrates why gammon is appropriate.

Gammon is OK, but I see gammons on both sides of the debate. I feel for the sake of democracy we have to see it through.

[newres]

Gammon is OK, but I see gammons on both sides of the debate. I feel for the sake of democracy we have to see it through.

I don’t though. The angry brigade are definitely on the right and threatening violence if “democracy” isn’t honoured as if giving people a final say isn’t democracy.

The people voted to leave the EU. TM’s deal delivers exactly that.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

I don’t though. The angry brigade are definitely on the right and threatening violence if “democracy” isn’t honoured as if giving people a final say isn’t democracy.

The people voted to leave the EU. TM’s deal delivers exactly that.

I don't mind a final say, as long as we have another final say shortly after if I dont like the result.

[newres]

I don't mind a final say, as long as we have another final say shortly after if I dont like the result.

So you're happy with TM's deal then? If so, fine. Problem is that the right don't like it and Labour are opportunistically seeking an election out of it. The result is it won't get through parliament. It's Rees Mogg and his cronies scuppering the referendum.

[je suis Charlie]

I don't mind a final say, as long as we have another final say shortly after if I dont like the result.

Best out of five, I mean why not??

[TallDarkAndHands...]

So you're happy with TM's deal then? If so, fine. Problem is that the right don't like it and Labour are opportunistically seeking an election out of it. The result is it won't get through parliament. It's Rees Mogg and his cronies scuppering the referendum.

My preference is a clean break as personally I think the EU is doomed to failure. I may be wrong but no one can see the future. It's just opinion. Like yours.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Best out of five, I mean why not??

Why stop there? We could have a daily vote via the red button on sattelite.🤣

[je suis Charlie]

Why stop there?

Indeed, why? Just keep having "people's votes" ad infinitum, until absolutely no one gets triggered.

[SirWilliam]

Why stop there? We could have a daily vote via the red button on sattelite.🤣

Premium rate phone voting is the answer. Sensible people have better things to spend their money on, which just leaves the "celeb" types and 15 year old school girls to decide our future. Worth a try say I.

[Biker1]

I had a nice gammon on Boxing Day.
Bloody delicious!!

[Biker1]

Nah, I’ve seen plenty gammon remainers.

Here's one! Remainer "gammon"

[je suis Charlie]

Here's one! Remainer "gammon"

Hilarious! "White reactionary", pure comic genius.

[newres]

Here's one! Remainer "gammon"

He didn't seem very angry though. Just bored. Just because someone's called the video "gammon", it doesn't make it so. Keep trying gammons.

[Biker1]

He didn't seem very angry though. Just bored. Just because someone's called the video "gammon", it doesn't make it so. Keep trying gammons.

Yep. he's a "gammon" alright!
Just look at the colour of his bright pink angry "gammon" face!
Gammon, gammon gammon!!!

[je suis Charlie]

So what is wrong with boarding an A350 from Tehran and landing at Heathrow? Certainly cheaper and less hassle, which poses the question, what is the truth behind the headlines? Note to self, must buy copy of Grauniad next time out.
How many families in this country could lay their hands on 20K let alone those who feel threatened in a middle eastern plutocracy? One for the historians to mull over next century.

And those Italians! And the French! So scary. No wonder they're so anxious to get away from that lot and come here.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

And those Italians! And the French! So scary. No wonder they're so anxious to get away from that lot and come here.

The Apple never falls far from the tree...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46751312

[Biker1]

He didn't seem very angry though. Just bored. Just because someone's called the video "gammon", it doesn't make it so. Keep trying gammons.

"Gammon" at 2.18!

[Andy Capp]

"Gammon" at 2.18!

The question is loaded and cherry picking the replies of ignorant people doesn’t advance the debate, but yes; there’re gammons everywhere.

[je suis Charlie]

I know no-one reads this forum anymore, but, on the off chance, Merry Christmas and a happy new year to one and all.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

I know no-one reads this forum anymore, but, on the off chance, Merry Christmas and a happy new year to one and all.

Merry Xmas to you as well Je Suis! Good to know you are still about.

[SirWilliam]

Hello, and merry xmas, to the "few". Shame this little forum ran out of steam, but "That's life", as they say. Ironically, as there is so much material to "rant" over today, the scope for such an outlet to "vent one's spleen" is sadly missed.
Anyway I hope to pull a "cracker" or two during the festive bash...and hope her husband doesn't find out.