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post Feb 13 2019, 09:11 PM
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Does it matter? Any discipline to degree level is surely better than no education? It means they are beyond O' & A' level. Media studies, if it means training in critically assessing what the media is telling us is surely entirely useful in the current left/right MSM/Non MSM debate. No?

Have you got a degree? What's your degree in?

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post Feb 13 2019, 09:19 PM
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Gender studies, shortest course in history, " right class, any idea how many genders there are?". "err, two sir?"
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post Feb 13 2019, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 13 2019, 09:07 PM) *
In my view University should be for the top 10 percent of students who' show academic prowess. The rest should get a job or an apprenticeship (And yes serious investment should be made in vocational apprenticeships). University is seen as some sort of "right of passage" now and the old poly's are all 'Universities". For a lot it's just a 3 or 4 year jolly where they do 5 hours a week, end up with a 2 2 and 50k of debt that they will never have a job well paid enough to pay back. Crock of sh1t.

To an extent I agree. When I went, that's exactly how it was - 10% went. I think there should be more than 10% and I think for most, degrees should be vocational - teaching, law, nursing etc. Certainly if you've got to pay for it, it ought to earn its money.
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post Feb 13 2019, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 13 2019, 09:24 PM) *
To an extent I agree. When I went, that's exactly how it was - 10% went. I think there should be more than 10% and I think for most, degrees should be vocational - teaching, law, nursing etc. Certainly if you've got to pay for it, it ought to earn its money.

Correct and vocational degrees like you mention should be free, with a prerequisite that you do a certain amount of time in the case of nursing for example say in the NHS after. You see we can agree on something. And yes ten percent is probably a bit low. 15 to 20? Free degrees for vocational subjects would encourage people to do degrees that would benefit society. Pay for your media studies or sports science..
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post Feb 13 2019, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 13 2019, 06:52 PM) *
What are you moaning about? You’re still here. tongue.gif


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post Feb 13 2019, 11:41 PM
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Also interesting is Toyota's decision to build the new version of the world's best-selling car at Burnaston in Derbyshire, producing more than 130,000 cars a year - along with 130,000 engines (including the hybrids) at Deeside - and employing 3,000 people.

If you've missed it - and the BBC hasn't even mentioned the Corolla in over a month - it's because it's certainly not as interesting a news story as absolutely no job losses from Nissan choosing not to make a couple of thousand large off-roaders a year in Sunderland because it can't make the Renault diesel engines Euro6b compliant and the diesel market share is shrinking to the point of Nissan cutting diesel engines (like most other manufacturers) before the end of 2021, and making the petrol versions would require shipping the petrol engines from Japan to be mated to the cars in the UK when it would be cheaper to just make the RHD cars in Japan in the first place. I mean BECAUSE BREXIT. DEFINITELY BECAUSE BREXIT.


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post Feb 14 2019, 06:09 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 13 2019, 11:41 PM) *
Also interesting is Toyota's decision to build the new version of the world's best-selling car at Burnaston in Derbyshire, producing more than 130,000 cars a year - along with 130,000 engines (including the hybrids) at Deeside - and employing 3,000 people.

If you've missed it - and the BBC hasn't even mentioned the Corolla in over a month - it's because it's certainly not as interesting a news story as absolutely no job losses from Nissan choosing not to make a couple of thousand large off-roaders a year in Sunderland because it can't make the Renault diesel engines Euro6b compliant and the diesel market share is shrinking to the point of Nissan cutting diesel engines (like most other manufacturers) before the end of 2021, and making the petrol versions would require shipping the petrol engines from Japan to be mated to the cars in the UK when it would be cheaper to just make the RHD cars in Japan in the first place. I mean BECAUSE BREXIT. DEFINITELY BECAUSE BREXIT.

I confess I wasn’t aware of that, however the decision was taken in 2017. No one with half a brain cell would have taken that decision now or in the last 12 months. I expect that like Nissan they were given assurances. The climate changed when it became clear that the EU would not capitulate on its principles and the loons started talking about no deal and WTO. I’m trying hard not to be disparaging about the members of the public that have picked this up and peddle the idea on phone ins and social media, but it is economic suicide and would deliver us back to the 70s.

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post Feb 14 2019, 06:11 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 13 2019, 09:29 PM) *
Correct and vocational degrees like you mention should be free, with a prerequisite that you do a certain amount of time in the case of nursing for example say in the NHS after. You see we can agree on something. And yes ten percent is probably a bit low. 15 to 20? Free degrees for vocational subjects would encourage people to do degrees that would benefit society. Pay for your media studies or sports science..

Prince Charles is a big fan of free degrees I recall.
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post Feb 14 2019, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 14 2019, 06:11 AM) *
Prince Charles is a big fan of free degrees I recall.


There was a consensus at the time that rather hoped the next queen was going to be one Shelia Ferguson but I'm afraid we had to await till the next generation before diverse marriage became acceptable in royal circles. Shame really as I think she would have done an excellent job but in hindsight she probably made the right decision.


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post Feb 14 2019, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 14 2019, 06:09 AM) *
I confess I wasn’t aware of that, however the decision was taken in 2017. No one with half a brain cell would have taken that decision now or in the last 12 months. I expect that like Nissan they were given assurances. The climate changed when it became clear that the EU would not capitulate on its principles and the loons started talking about no deal and WTO. I’m trying hard not to be disparaging about the members of the public that have picked this up and peddle the idea on phone ins and social media, but it is economic suicide and would deliver us back to the 70s.

No, you weren't aware, because the only headlines the media are peddling are anti brexit. If Toyota aren't happy why don't they pull out like nissan did? Because it's got **** all to do with brexit. Oh and as expected, news brewing on both German AND eurozone economy.

"Germany narrowly avoided a recession in the fourth quarter, reporting only zero growth as foreign trade made little contribution to Europe’s largest economy.

The lackluster figure released Thursday by the state statistics agency followed a 0.2% fall in output during the preceding third quarter. Business spending on machinery and equipment as well as construction supported the economy in the fourth quarter and kept Germany from suffering two straight quarters of negative growth, one definition of a recession."

"Claus Vistesen, economist at Pantheon, says Germany’s economy was held back by weak net trade and sluggish consumers’ spending.

He fears that the eurozone growth figures, which will be updated at 10am, will be lowered from 0.2% to just 0.1% for the last quarter.

Just as bad as we feared, adding to our conviction that today’s second estimate quarter-on-quarter for the eurozone as a whole will be revised down, by 0.1pp, to 0.1%.

We don’t see numerical details in this report, but the statistical office provide hints, indicating that domestic demand, mainly investment in construction and machinery and equipment, and government spending supported the economy. By contrast, growth in consumers’ spending remained subdued, and net exports remained a severe drag on headline GDP growth."

All of a sudden it starts to look like this magical European powerhouse is running short of coal.


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post Feb 14 2019, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 14 2019, 06:11 AM) *
Prince Charles is a big fan of free degrees I recall.

Hes a fan of a free anything - what with getting given everything for free for his entire life. But maybe that's for another thread.
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post Feb 14 2019, 01:46 PM
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It was cold in Motown last night, Three degrees, Four Tops. 😀


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post Feb 14 2019, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 14 2019, 01:46 PM) *
It was cold in Motown last night, Three degrees, Four Tops. 😀


Name dropping again I see. cool.gif


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post Feb 14 2019, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 12 2019, 04:41 PM) *
Being at the heart of the largest most successful trading bloc on the planet doesn't swing it?

You don't say,
"EU BOMBSHELL: Economists claim 'eurozone is FAILING' for THIS reason
THE EU is not the force it once was and, according to credible forecasts, by 2050, it will account for less than a tenth of the world’s economy, two leading economists claimed in a book on the state of the bloc.". 🐒


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post Feb 14 2019, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 14 2019, 06:21 PM) *
You don't say,
"EU BOMBSHELL: Economists claim 'eurozone is FAILING' for THIS reason
THE EU is not the force it once was and, according to credible forecasts, by 2050, it will account for less than a tenth of the world’s economy, two leading economists claimed in a book on the state of the bloc.". 🐒

Gonna be a basket case, Germany on the brink of recession, Italy in recession, French economy stagnating, Poland has a shrinking economy. Not looking good is it.


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post Feb 14 2019, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 14 2019, 07:09 PM) *
Gonna be a basket case, Germany on the brink of recession, Italy in recession, French economy stagnating, Poland has a shrinking economy. Not looking good is it.

It is for the UK if this rabble in parliament can extricate themselves from the trough of the EU expenses and the like.
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post Feb 14 2019, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 14 2019, 07:09 PM) *
Gonna be a basket case, Germany on the brink of recession, Italy in recession, French economy stagnating, Poland has a shrinking economy. Not looking good is it.


The result of letting clueless individuals run the shop. May be completely non pc to advocate unfettered entrepreneurism but it sure as **** beats state control. One does not have to be an accountant graduate to see where Europe is heading but they won't change until it's too late. Does that ring any bells? Viertes Reich anyone.


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post Feb 14 2019, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 14 2019, 06:09 AM) *
I confess I wasn’t aware of that, however the decision was taken in 2017. No one with half a brain cell would have taken that decision now or in the last 12 months. I expect that like Nissan they were given assurances. The climate changed when it became clear that the EU would not capitulate on its principles and the loons started talking about no deal and WTO. I’m trying hard not to be disparaging about the members of the public that have picked this up and peddle the idea on phone ins and social media, but it is economic suicide and would deliver us back to the 70s.

Toyota already has the Burnaston and Deeside plants. They're simply building the Corolla - the best-selling car in the world - here (along with the Auris and Avensis) and continuing to build the hybrid powertrains here. That safeguards 3,000 jobs.

But that doesn't make the news. Instead Nissan choosing not to build the X-Trail here having previously decided to do so, and Ford pulling out make the news, because they're bad Brexit stories. Except Nissan's X-Trail decision is a business decision - it makes/sells a handful of cars, it's phasing out diesel because it can't make diesel fit emissions regulations (thank the French and Germans cheating for that one) and it's simply less expensive to make the cars and the petrol engines together in Japan. No jobs are at risk in Sunderland, not that you'd know from the "NO X-TRAIL BECAUSE BREXIT" reporting.

Meanwhile Ford hasn't made a car in the UK since 2005, and Ford USA is sick to death of the deeply unprofitable European division - which is valued at -$2bn - and is restructuring the whole thing. I'm pretty sure that the closure of Saarlouis (Germany) and Bordeaux (France) aren't much to do with Brexit. Sorry, I mean they're definitely because of Brexit.


Do we need to mention the government getting Airbus to warn everyone about hard Brexit while it's struggling to sell its awful A380 (it's great, but very expensive to make and fly, and not very adaptable) and has now cancelled it entirely. Obviously the 3,500 jobs at risk across Europe are because of Brexit...


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post Feb 14 2019, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 14 2019, 06:21 PM) *
You don't say,
"EU BOMBSHELL: Economists claim 'eurozone is FAILING' for THIS reason
THE EU is not the force it once was and, according to credible forecasts, by 2050, it will account for less than a tenth of the world’s economy, two leading economists claimed in a book on the state of the bloc.". 🐒

That may be more to do with the growth of emerging economies as anything if it transpires. It seems to me that people are desperate for the EU to collapse because it would make our population look less stupid when our own economy collapses.
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post Feb 14 2019, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 14 2019, 06:09 AM) *
I confess I wasn’t aware of that, however the decision was taken in 2017. No one with half a brain cell would have taken that decision now or in the last 12 months. I expect that like Nissan they were given assurances. The climate changed when it became clear that the EU would not capitulate on its principles and the loons started talking about no deal and WTO. I’m trying hard not to be disparaging about the members of the public that have picked this up and peddle the idea on phone ins and social media, but it is economic suicide and would deliver us back to the 70s.

We will never be back in the 70s. Thatcher saw to that. The days of Union's holding the Country to ransom are gone. More drivel from our resident remainiac...
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