Second referendum Options

[newres]

It’s coming.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independ...7686.html%3famp

[SirWilliam]

It’s coming.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independ...7686.html%3famp

FAKE NEWS!!! Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. There again the whole sorry saga could just have been down to a miscount.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

It’s coming.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independ...7686.html%3famp

Dream on... Though it would be funny in a way when leave won again. What would you do as a matter of interest? Demand a best of 5?😂

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Duplicate. **** 4g.

[newres]

We’ll see my faux northern friend.

[SirWilliam]

Dream on... Though it would be funny in a way when leave won again. What would you do as a matter of interest? Demand a best of 5?😂

I would like to see remain win and then the leave brigade can justifiably cry foul and demand a third. In fact we could run it every eighteen months as a national pastime, bit like horse of the year show.

[user23]

I think Jacob Rees-Mogg is correct in this video, and we should have a referendum on the final deal.

https://metro.co.uk/video/jacob-rees-mogg-s...6/?ito=vjs-link

[Biker1]

It’s coming.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independ...7686.html%3famp

What another one!!!

[Strafin]

I would like to see remain win and then the leave brigade can justifiably cry foul and demand a third. In fact we could run it every eighteen months as a national pastime, bit like horse of the year show.

Remain have won. Brexit no longer means Brexit whatever happens now.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Remain have won. Brexit no longer means Brexit whatever happens now.

What a cr0ck of sh1t. How have remain won? Its a case of may or may not ne a hard brexit and you certainly dont "win" anything without a vote. We had one and leave won. If we have another leave will win again. Remainers only follow remainer news....

[newres]

What a cr0ck of sh1t. How have remain won? Its a case of may or may not ne a hard brexit and you certainly dont "win" anything without a vote. We had one and leave won. If we have another leave will win again. Remainers only follow remainer news....

Well Rees Mogg and David Davies are on record as backing a second vote so hopefully we’ll get a chance to vote on the deal.

What’s become clear is there’s no negotiation to be done and there’s no real deal to be had so in light of that we ought to get an “are you really sure about this” vote. I’m sure we’ll still vote leave so I can’t see a problem. The important thing is that we know what we’re voting for now.

[On the edge]

Well Rees Mogg and David Davies are on record as backing a second vote so hopefully we’ll get a chance to vote on the deal.

What’s become clear is there’s no negotiation to be done and there’s no real deal to be had so in light of that we ought to get an “are you really sure about this” vote. I’m sure we’ll still vote leave so I can’t see a problem. The important thing is that we know what we’re voting for now.

You are spot on about there being no negotiation. There hasn't been since day one. In negotiation terms the EU has maintained a take it or leave it stance. Commercially, when that happens only answer is to walk away and do something else. A real negotiating team would have come home several months back, and far from being 'nice' to EU Heads of State, that ends now surely?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

You are spot on about there being no negotiation. There hasn't been since day one. In negotiation terms the EU has maintained a take it or leave it stance. Commercially, when that happens only answer is to walk away and do something else. A real negotiating team would have come home several months back, and far from being 'nice' to EU Heads of State, that ends now surely?

Time for a bit of hard ball. Tell the germans we dont want german cars and the french can stick the champers, wine and cheese up there @rse. We have a lovely continental climate for vineyards now. Oh and lets close the channel tunnel.😂 Time to go all "Trump". Actually would have been better to do it 2 years ago. We may have got somewhere by now if we had.

[Biker1]

The important thing is that we know what we’re voting for now.

Do we?
I'm unsure of the consequences of staying in!!
No one has explained that to me because no-one knows.
So either way do we know what we are voting for in the long term without a crystal ball?

[On the edge]

Do we?
I'm unsure of the consequences of staying in!!
No one has explained that to me because no-one knows.
So either way do we know what we are voting for in the long term without a crystal ball?

This is actually something that ought to be pushed and pushed hard. Certainly the scenarios I've heard aren't good and frankly rather disturbing. There is one worse alternative; going back. Now we've really seen and tasted the attitude a return would not be even worth contemplating.

[je suis Charlie]

Remain have won. Brexit no longer means Brexit whatever happens now.

Err yes, it does. Brexit means Brexit. Where do these people go to school?

[SirWilliam]

Err yes, it does. Brexit means Brexit. Where do these people go to school?

Strasbourg ?

[Strafin]

The only person I have heard talk any sense about Brexit is Danny Dyer because the only facts are, nobody knows! There are people who voted for Brexit who would like a hard Irish border. There are people who voted Brexit who don't. There are people who voted Brexit and wanted to stay in the customs union and plenty who don't. They are all leave voters, they are not all getting what they voted for.

[newres]

With every passing day, it gets a little closer. The irony of it all is that the ERG are making it more likely and Brexit less so.

[SirWilliam]

With every passing day, it gets a little closer. The irony of it all is that the ERG are making it more likely and Brexit less so.

So does xmas, but that doesn't mean everyone welcomes it's arrival.

[Strafin]

I've changed my mind on the whole 2nd referendum thing. We shouldn't have one now, it's too late it's done.

Brexit is stupid, and already has caused so much discourse and hardship, and will continue to do so. There is nothing socially to be gained now, we are divided and the baby boomers have again messed everything up for everyone else. But we have let them, and so there is only one way forward. Get behind the worst prime minister we've had for years and get behind what is widely considered to be a terrible deal for everyone.

The only thing we have is damage limitation and a nod to trying to save a bit of the economy, only stability and certainty will encourage business to settle down and start to invest again. So that's what we need to do.

Maybe a general election after a leadership contest in the summer. Let the Mp's do it on their own time.

[newres]

I've changed my mind on the whole 2nd referendum thing. We shouldn't have one now, it's too late it's done.

Brexit is stupid, and already has caused so much discourse and hardship, and will continue to do so. There is nothing socially to be gained now, we are divided and the baby boomers have again messed everything up for everyone else. But we have let them, and so there is only way forward. Get behind the worst prime minister we've had for years and get behind what is widely considered to be a terrible deal for everyone.

The only thing we have is damage limitation and a nod to trying to save a bit of the economy, only stability and certainty will encourage business to settle down and start to invest again. So that's what we need to do.

Maybe a general election after a leadership contest in the summer. Let the Mp's do it on their own time.

Well I’d go along with that, but it ain’t gonna happen according to the experts. She won’t get it through. That’s why there will be a second referendum.

[dannyboy]

I've changed my mind on the whole 2nd referendum thing. We shouldn't have one now, it's too late it's done.

Brexit is stupid, and already has caused so much discourse and hardship, and will continue to do so. There is nothing socially to be gained now, we are divided and the baby boomers have again messed everything up for everyone else. But we have let them, and so there is only one way forward. Get behind the worst prime minister we've had for years and get behind what is widely considered to be a terrible deal for everyone.

The only thing we have is damage limitation and a nod to trying to save a bit of the economy, only stability and certainty will encourage business to settle down and start to invest again. So that's what we need to do.

Maybe a general election after a leadership contest in the summer. Let the Mp's do it on their own time.

I do hope we get the full Hard Brexit.

[SirWilliam]

I do hope we get the full Hard Brexit.

To be honest it is the only way if we are to have anything like a prosperous future. A federal Europe is a recipe for disaster and the halfway house as proposed by the (present) government will drag us down with it. The only reason the spineless twits in westminster didn't put in a letter of no confidence was the thought of opening the no 10 door for JC to stroll through and that was a worse option than allowing Mother T to carry on with her crap plan. The fact that Labour is even less electable than the Tories only shows what a useless bunch of retards we have in office. The only ones laughing at our dire position are Jean Claude Juncker and his associated cronies and it is humiliating to those who hold this Country dear.

[je suis Charlie]

To be honest it is the only way if we are to have anything like a prosperous future. A federal Europe is a recipe for disaster and the halfway house as proposed by the (present) government will drag us down with it. The only reason the spineless twits in westminster didn't put in a letter of no confidence was the thought of opening the no 10 door for JC to stroll through and that was a worse option than allowing Mother T to carry on with her crap plan. The fact that Labour is even less electable than the Tories only shows what a useless bunch of retards we have in office. The only ones laughing at our dire position are Jean Claude Juncker and his associated cronies and it is humiliating to those who hold this Country dear.

Don't try to switch dopes in the middle of a fix!

[newres]

To be honest it is the only way if we are to have anything like a prosperous future. A federal Europe is a recipe for disaster and the halfway house as proposed by the (present) government will drag us down with it. The only reason the spineless twits in westminster didn't put in a letter of no confidence was the thought of opening the no 10 door for JC to stroll through and that was a worse option than allowing Mother T to carry on with her crap plan. The fact that Labour is even less electable than the Tories only shows what a useless bunch of retards we have in office. The only ones laughing at our dire position are Jean Claude Juncker and his associated cronies and it is humiliating to those who hold this Country dear.

I'm laughing too! The government are armed with the data and they know a hard Brexit will be disastrous. Do you honestly think they wouldn't do it if they thought it would be at worst neutral? They would be trumpteted as heroes if they could deliver it.

[SirWilliam]

I'm laughing too! The government are armed with the data and they know a hard Brexit will be disastrous. Do you honestly think they wouldn't do it if they thought it would be at worst neutral? They would be trumpteted as heroes if they could deliver it.

Bit like Cameron when he offered a referendum in the misguided belief that it would derail the supposed threat of UKIP? Yes they really do have their collective finger on the Countries pulse don't they. Face it, they are all incompetent; so why does Mother T want a soft brexit? Because she thinks that if it goes t**s up labour will sweep to power and spend the next 10 years telling everyone that it was the Tories fault we are in a financial mire. The great unwashed voted to leave and leave we must. In '74 over a third of the electorate voted no but I do not recollect them crying foul like a bunch of petulant school kids or asking for another vote; no, we got on with being a EU member and now we have decided that it is a club we do not wish to be a member of so we are ending our contract.

[newres]

Bit like Cameron when he offered a referendum in the misguided belief that it would derail the supposed threat of UKIP? Yes they really do have their collective finger on the Countries pulse don't they. Face it, they are all incompetent; so why does Mother T want a soft brexit? Because she thinks that if it goes t**s up labour will sweep to power and spend the next 10 years telling everyone that it was the Tories fault we are in a financial mire. The great unwashed voted to leave and leave we must. In '74 over a third of the electorate voted no but I do not recollect them crying foul like a bunch of petulant school kids or asking for another vote; no, we got on with being a EU member and now we have decided that it is a club we do not wish to be a member of so we are ending our contract.

The question is, what did they vote for? We were told the EU would give us an amazing deal because our market was so highly prized. People believed that. How many voted for a hard Brexit with WTO? How many had heard of it? It was too simple a question. Now I believe we have enough knowledge to make an informed decision.

That said, my preference would be TM’s deal. But it won’t happen I’m guessing.

[SirWilliam]

The question is, what did they vote for? We were told the EU would give us an amazing deal because our market was so highly prized. People believed that. How many voted for a hard Brexit with WTO? How many had heard of it? It was too simple a question. Now I believe we have enough knowledge to make an informed decision.

That said, my preference would be TM’s deal. But it won’t happen I’m guessing.

OMG the electorate need to know what they are voting for. I agree there was about as much information bandied about in the referendum as a food label on a Mcdonalds burger but the question wasn't "Do you want to remain and negotiate a better deal; or leave with an amended deal". No it was quite simple "Do you wish to remain in the EU or leave"? 17 million then decided they wanted to leave for probably as many reasons.

[newres]

OMG the electorate need to know what they are voting for. I agree there was about as much information bandied about in the referendum as a food label on a Mcdonalds burger but the question wasn't "Do you want to remain and negotiate a better deal; or leave with an amended deal". No it was quite simple "Do you wish to remain in the EU or leave"? 17 million then decided they wanted to leave for probably as many reasons.

And very nearly the same number voted to stay. Personally I would vote for Theresa May’s deal. But the most likely outcome of MPs not backing it is another referendum or a GE. But I think there has been enough division.

[Strafin]

Less than half the country voted for it, so we shouldn't even be at this juncture anyway. I agree about JC though, I really thought he was going to be radical and keep the pressure on. Whether you like him or not he offered a very different alternative. But now he just sits on the fence critcising.

[je suis Charlie]

We're stuffed, options now are either a; no Brexit (with new social unrest, rise of ukip etc) or b; a no deal Brexit.

[SirWilliam]

We're stuffed, options now are either a; no Brexit (with new social unrest, rise of ukip etc) or b; a no deal Brexit.

What is wrong with a no deal scenario? Yes it's going to cause a headache for a few very quickly but life will continue won't it? I do not recall anyone saying at the time that we will be propelled back into the stone age if we leave; the simple truth is we don't know and we should just get on with it. Our biggest problem will not having political leadership at the helm of a pretty big ship.
To be honest with the increasing yob mentality in this Country Europe is probably secretly breathing a sigh of relief to see the back of us.

[spartacus]

.....Europe is probably secretly breathing a sigh of relief to see the back of us.

The Merkels, Macrons and Junckers of the EU can't wait to see the back of us but are secretly glad that we seem to have made such a spectacular balls up of the whole leaving process that we've frightened off any other nation that was thinking about following us through the door. Our weak and indecisive politicians have kicked the can and kicked it again and now we're in a mess we can't get out of without putting ourselves in the weak and pathetic position of asking for favours to allow us to stay in for a bit longer 'till we can sort it out'. I despair...

[je suis Charlie]

Now the real fun begins.

[SirWilliam]

So a couple of hours before the westminster pantomime kicks off we now know what the final outcome will be. Chequers deal will be voted out; Mother T will go back to Brussels and over a liquid lunch with Jean-Claude they will concoct "plan B". This in essence means a third plebiscite and as the majority of brexiteers have either given up or shot themselves in desperation the vote will fall in the no's corner. Tory backbenchers will mutter over their port, Liberals will howl for change in the electoral system and Labour will still be following JC having lost a golden opportunity to gain power. We will of course be grateful to all sane members of the European race and Federalism will ensue in time.
History will show it in a different light and academics will debate the issues for generations to come but by this time we will all be speaking German and the ice cap will have melted.
Good thing or bad thing? To be honest I haven't got a clue, (nothing new there), but it certainly has kept the art of conversation in vogue for the past couple of years.

ps. Merry xmas boys and girls.

[je suis Charlie]

Express.co.uk: Remainer expat bid to plot to BLOCK BREXIT fails - 2016 referendum result WILL STAND.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/105...sels-referendum

Hooray! Democracy 1, Whingers 0.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

I have come to the conclusion that we should listen to the economic "experts" like Carney, Hammond and co and not leave the EU and ignore the democratic vote and revoke Article 50.

This does set a precedent though. These same experts also say that any Corbyn victory would seriously damage the economy. So if he did ever win a General election I would suggest it would be foolish to allow it to stand and we would have to just ignore the result.

[newres]

I have come to the conclusion that we should listen to the economic "experts" like Carney, Hammond and co and not leave the EU and ignore the democratic vote and revoke Article 50.

This does set a precedent though. These same experts also say that any Corbyn victory would seriously damage the economy. So if he did ever win a General election I would suggest it would be foolish to allow it to stand and we would have to just ignore the result.

Although ofcourse we can vote Corbyn out in 5 years. How about we have a trial leaving of the EU? But perhaps not the 50 years Mogg reckons it will take to know if it was a success? Or we keep Labour for 50 years?

[SirWilliam]

I have come to the conclusion that we should listen to the economic "experts" like Carney, Hammond and co and not leave the EU and ignore the democratic vote and revoke Article 50.

This does set a precedent though. These same experts also say that any Corbyn victory would seriously damage the economy. So if he did ever win a General election I would suggest it would be foolish to allow it to stand and we would have to just ignore the result.

Is this the reasoning behind the SNP's stance on a "free" Scotland vote? The Greeks chucked their fledgling democracy into the long grass because they didn't like the results it threw up and very little has changed in two and half thousand years. I still believe we will return to Brussels with our tales between our legs and say it was a bit of a mistake and could we possibly rejoin your gang? Jean Claude will open an expensive claret and welcome us back on the understanding our annual contribution is doubled in order to compensate those EU farmers/fishermen who have had a couple of sleepless nights over seeing one of their markets disappear but other than that "Bien sûr vous méchant personne vous"...........Or words to that effect.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Although ofcourse we can vote Corbyn out in 5 years. How about we have a trial leaving of the EU? But perhaps not the 50 years Mogg reckons it will take to know if it was a success? Or we keep Labour for 50 years?

Elections should now be abandoned and we should have appointed economic experts to decide who should be in charge. The people can't be trusted to vote the "right" way. This is the future.

[newres]

Elections should now be abandoned and we should have appointed economic experts to decide who should be in charge. The people can't be trusted to vote the "right" way. This is the future.

Yes, it’s undemocratic to let us vote on the deal.

[SirWilliam]

Elections should now be abandoned and we should have appointed economic experts to decide who should be in charge. The people can't be trusted to vote the "right" way. This is the future.

Appoint economists to position of power? You must be mad.........Bring back May/Corbyn even Cleggy, all is forgiven.

[Turin Machine]

Yes, it’s undemocratic to let us vote on the deal.

You had a vote, it was called 'the referendum'. A second bite of the cherry just panders to the whining, democracy abusing losers.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Yes, it’s undemocratic to let us vote on the deal.

Democracy is dying. You killed it. Better get used to it.

[SirWilliam]

Democracy is dying. You killed it. Better get used to it.

Going to be replaced by "Who can shout the loudest" . Seems one of your better ideas.

[SirWilliam]

So Amber Rudd has tossed what is, to the uninitiated, an approach that should have been adopted 18 months ago; that is an across the political board a common consensus on the UK's position. Now we all know JC would rather take up holy orders than get into bed, (metaphorically speaking), with Mother Teresa, so this is a non starter but as it is now 11th hour time any impasse in the House can now be placed at the descenter's door. Checkmate. Remoaners will demand we ask those nice people in Brussels if we can extend our "execution" until we have asked the great unwashed once more which will be "grudgingly" granted and next time we will vote correctly. (Silly electorate).

Put your house/ pension/ Uncle George's teapot collection on the status quo.

[newres]

So Amber Rudd has tossed what is, to the uninitiated, an approach that should have been adopted 18 months ago; that is an across the political board a common consensus on the UK's position. Now we all know JC would rather take up holy orders than get into bed, (metaphorically speaking), with Mother Teresa, so this is a non starter but as it is now 11th hour time any impasse in the House can now be placed at the descenter's door. Checkmate. Remoaners will demand we ask those nice people in Brussels if we can extend our "execution" until we have asked the great unwashed once more which will be "grudgingly" granted and next time we will vote correctly. (Silly electorate).

Put your house/ pension/ Uncle George's teapot collection on the status quo.

Norway model. Won’t that do you?

[SirWilliam]

Norway model. Won’t that do you?

I have given up on a position, so it's now more a case of where we end up and I can't see the Norway model being anything more than a means to an end and that is still being a card carrying member of the EU.

I may of course be completely wrong and everything in the garden will be roses.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Norway model. Won’t that do you?

Have you given up on the #fbpe loons then?

[Turin Machine]

Have you given up on the #fbpe loons then?

Mate, gonna be a second referendum now. No way round it.

[newres]

Have you given up on the #fbpe loons then?

I’ve no idea what you’re talking about.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Mate, gonna be a second referendum now. No way round it.

What is the question though?😂

And I'll just leave this here...😂

https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/15/bizarre-mome...summit-8250517/

[je suis Charlie]

What is the question though?😂

And I'll just leave this here...😂

https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/15/bizarre-mome...summit-8250517/

Not all bad news however,
'Only 25% of voters thinks Jeremy Corbyn is decisive, according to a survey, down from 31% in October. The Labour leader’s fall to his lowest score at any point since the 2017 general election came despite most voters seeing the Tory party as divided following a week of Brexit infighting.

Corbyn also recorded his lowest score for being trustworthy and someone that sticks to his principles, according to an Opinium poll of 2,016 adults online on 13 and 14 December, falling below the prime minister."

Source, the guarderobe!!

[SirWilliam]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46600850

Reassuring to know that three and a half thousand troops will be on standby when we sever our umbilical cord from Europe without a deal. Like the profits of doom have predicted the sky will darken, shops will have no stock and children will be made to walk to school. All this is the fault of obtuse elderly residents being allowed to vote. Before the next election/plebiscite I propose that we restrict voting privilege to those over 5 and under 20; Liberals are of course exempt as their views are near as **** it to the new demographic.
Anyway with troops deployed to prevent the looting of the last cwt of wheat that has been set aside to feed the third world, we can now tuck into the xmas bird, (no pun), in the knowledge that it will probably be our last.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46600850

Reassuring to know that three and a half thousand troops will be on standby when we sever our umbilical cord from Europe without a deal. Like the profits of doom have predicted the sky will darken, shops will have no stock and children will be made to walk to school. All this is the fault of obtuse elderly residents being allowed to vote. Before the next election/plebiscite I propose that we restrict voting privilege to those over 5 and under 20; Liberals are of course exempt as their views are near as **** it to the new demographic.
Anyway with troops deployed to prevent the looting of the last cwt of wheat that has been set aside to feed the third world, we can now tuck into the xmas bird, (no pun), in the knowledge that it will probably be our last.

Can't be too careful. Just let people who have #fbpe in there twitter handle vote. 🙄

[je suis Charlie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46600850

Reassuring to know that three and a half thousand troops will be on standby when we sever our umbilical cord from Europe without a deal. Like the profits of doom have predicted the sky will darken, shops will have no stock and children will be made to walk to school. All this is the fault of obtuse elderly residents being allowed to vote. Before the next election/plebiscite I propose that we restrict voting privilege to those over 5 and under 20; Liberals are of course exempt as their views are near as **** it to the new demographic.
Anyway with troops deployed to prevent the looting of the last cwt of wheat that has been set aside to feed the third world, we can now tuck into the xmas bird, (no pun), in the knowledge that it will probably be our last.

Yeah, but, there's predicted to be a shortage of Mars bars. So it's serious!

[SirWilliam]

Yeah, but, there's predicted to be a shortage of Mars bars. So it's serious!

Maybe, just maybe, you have put your index digit on the real reason behind the last 3 years of panic. By eliminating the confectionary availability we will reduce the obesity problem in our dear little kiddiewinks at a stroke.
Three cheers for our political elite says I.

[newres]

Gammon in Action.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/d...pporters-hitler

[SirWilliam]

Gammon in Action.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/d...pporters-hitler

Rentamob doesn't mind the cause as long as they can shout. Wheel a "spokesperson" in front of a tv camera and you can guarantee some idiot will be waving a placard behind them opposing the view. Just a big game to some but they may treat it a little more seriously if they lived in a Country that frowned upon public protest. Try that in China or Russia and see how much sympathy you get.

[je suis Charlie]

You see, in the fevered little minds of the remoaner camp voting for Brexit automatically qualifies you as 'far right',. Really sad.

[Turin Machine]

That there Toynbee is as bad, whining remainer:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1061250/B...ht-Sky-News-row

[Strafin]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46600850

..., we can now tuck into the xmas bird, (no pun), in the knowledge that it will probably be our last.

Christmas Dinner will be very different next year...

No Brussells!

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Christmas Dinner will be very different next year...

No Brussells!

They don't even have a leader...forced to resign by the on so militant Belgians!!!

[SirWilliam]

They don't even have a leader...forced to resign by the on so militant Belgians!!!

Ungrateful s*ds, we should ALL bow down in front of our leaders.

[je suis Charlie]

Ungrateful s*ds, we should ALL bow down in front of our leaders.

Especially (apparently) if you're a woman.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

I’ve no idea what you’re talking about.

That means you are either..

A. A bit thick
B. Completely out of touch
C. Being obtuse

All 3 make you look daft. But that's your perogative.

[newres]

That means you are either..

A. A bit thick
B. Completely out of touch
C. Being obtuse

All 3 make you look daft. But that's your perogative.

I’ve since Googled it. There is another explanation. That’s that I’m not as “into” the whole alt right v normal people as you. Out of touch I guess and glad to be so. You neo Nazi types get really into it.

[je suis Charlie]

I’ve since Googled it. There is another explanation. That’s that I’m not as “into” the whole alt right v normal people as you. Out of touch I guess and glad to be so. You neo Nazi types get really into it.

And a happy xmas to all, Left, Right, so what. enjoy xmas with your families. I'm off till after the new year and I expect to pick up the thread then. Don't drink and drive.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

And a happy xmas to all, Left, Right, so what. enjoy xmas with your families. I'm off till after the new year and I expect to pick up the thread then. Don't drink and drive.

And you sir my fellow Nazi.😂

[je suis Charlie]

It's worse than we thought, Christmas will be cancelled due to Brexit! Oh No's!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...-brexit-in-2019

The Guardian, spreading truth and happiness like a rat spreads plague! Project fear lives on.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

It's worse than we thought, Christmas will be cancelled due to Brexit! Oh No's!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...-brexit-in-2019

The Guardian, spreading truth and happiness like a rat spreads plague! Project fear lives on.

The guardian is about as balanced as the mail.

[newres]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_MvZORkezA

Pure comic genius.

[je suis Charlie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_MvZORkezA

Pure comic genius.

Thanks you, have a nice Christmas.

[je suis Charlie]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-65...eak-Brexit.html

Quote, " Mr McLean is single and has no children". Comic genius!

[newres]

Nearly there.

[Strafin]

Daily Mail though

[SirWilliam]

So now we officially know what we knew anyway but it makes politicians feel "important". The left are still howling for the "people" to decide despite the glaringly obvious fact that it was a plebiscite that got us into this mess in the first place. General election?...And you thought it was bad now, but of course the mentally challenged will think that JC is the answer to a maiden's prayer and, like Zebedee, will bring order to the garden. Meanwhile the planet is still hurtling around the sun in time honoured fashion and a fellow called Trump treats his party guests to burger and chips.
Funny old world.

[je suis Charlie]

So now we officially know what we knew anyway but it makes politicians feel "important". The left are still howling for the "people" to decide despite the glaringly obvious fact that it was a plebiscite that got us into this mess in the first place. General election?...And you thought it was bad now, but of course the mentally challenged will think that JC is the answer to a maiden's prayer and, like Zebedee, will bring order to the garden. Meanwhile the planet is still hurtling around the sun in time honoured fashion and a fellow called Trump treats his party guests to burger and chips.
Funny old world.

I believe it was the spiritual guru Aisleyne Horgan-Wallace who said "You better know yourself little girl, before you talk to me that way"
She also said "We were on the breadline. We were below the breadline, we only had pasta". Wise words.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Nearly there.

Where?😂😂

[je suis Charlie]

Soooo funny this.

Comic genius from all sides, looks like political panto.

[SirWilliam]

Soooo funny this.

Comic genius from all sides, looks like political panto.

Would be non to pleased if I had paid good money to see them in the xmas offering.

One thing that does puzzle me however is the Green Party stance. Now we all know they would like us all to ride bicycles and sustain ourselves on nut cutlets but they are **** bent on rejoining the EU which only encourages a high carbon footprint with HGV's criss crossing europe unimpeded.
Least they have a plan though.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Soooo funny this.

Comic genius from all sides, looks like political panto.

Gove gave a good speech. Destroyed Corbyn. Mind you...that is a bit of an open goal.

[je suis Charlie]

Gove gave a good speech. Destroyed Corbyn. Mind you...that is a bit of an open goal.

Let's face it, Paddington Bear could destroy Corbyn.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Let's face it, Paddington Bear could destroy Corbyn.

Corbyn to May..

I want to talk about brexit
I want to talk about brexit
I want to talk about brexit.

May... let's talk about Brexit

Corbyn... No.

😂😂😂

[je suis Charlie]

Corbyn to May..

I want to talk about brexit
I want to talk about brexit
I want to talk about brexit.

May... let's talk about Brexit

Corbyn... No.

������

He'll talk to Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA, but he won't talk to the Maybot. It's like when you're out in the country and you see a hedgehog on the top of a fencepost, you know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while up there, he's elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of dumb **** put him there to begin with.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

He'll talk to Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA, but he won't talk to the Maybot. It's like when you're out in the country and you see a hedgehog on the top of a fencepost, you know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while up there, he's elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of dumb **** put him there to begin with.

Newres???😂

[SirWilliam]

He'll talk to Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA, but he won't talk to the Maybot. It's like when you're out in the country and you see a hedgehog on the top of a fencepost, you know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while up there, he's elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of dumb **** put him there to begin with.

You do not have to fool all of the people all of the time....Just enough to make you feel important. Of course the "yoof" love him because their brains haven't migrated from their underpants yet but it is a worry that, with the tories on their knees, the best the opposition can muster is a man who puts ideology before country.

[je suis Charlie]

Gove gave a good speech. Destroyed Corbyn. Mind you...that is a bit of an open goal.

See here! Brilliant!

https://youtu.be/WluyCXzpLsw

[SirWilliam]

See here! Brilliant!

https://youtu.be/WluyCXzpLsw

Excellent speech of a man who may well be in no 10 before the year is out. Corbyn's body language portrayed a man who has been in the sun too long.

[je suis Charlie]

Excellent speech of a man who may well be in no 10 before the year is out. Corbyn's body language portrayed a man who has been in the sun too long.

Note his front bench, looked like stunned mullets.

[x2lls]

You do not have to fool all of the people all of the time....Just enough to make you feel important. Of course the "yoof" love him because their brains haven't migrated from their underpants yet but it is a worry that, with the tories on their knees, the best the opposition can muster is a man who puts ideology before country.

Ironic that.

If you switch ideology and country in that sentence, you describe TR.

[SirWilliam]

Ironic that.

If you switch ideology and country in that sentence, you describe TR.

That's where the similarity ends; oh for someone who has leadership credentials.

[newres]

Ironic that.

If you switch ideology and country in that sentence, you describe TR.

Hardly.

[Turin Machine]

Hardly.

I didn't understand that either

[newres]

I didn't understand that either

Country before ideology or ideology before country?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Nearly there.

Are you sure??😂

[newres]

Are you sure??😂

You’ve misread the situation. I’d be unhappily content with May’s WA although there will still be years of negotiations left if the EU open up the WA again. But if they don’t, there will be additional amendable votes in parliament. Time wise we’re nearer no deal but the things to bear in mind are the following.

May is highly unlikely to allow no deal.
She doesn’t need to call an election making a referendum more likely
The public in all polls are for remaining.
Parliament is overwhelmingly against no deal.
May has promised more votes.

Keep your Prosecco on ice.

[je suis Charlie]

The public in all polls seem very much to be as diverse as they were at the start. Efforts to delay Brexit failed miserably last night, no delay means no time left for a second referendum. Either, the EU cabal will need to bend on the whole backstop issue or we simply crash out with no deal. Those are the only two options.

And who the **** drinks Prosecco?

[newres]

The public in all polls seem very much to be as diverse as they were at the start. Efforts to delay Brexit failed miserably last night, no delay means no time left for a second referendum. Either, the EU cabal will need to bend on the whole backstop issue or we simply crash out with no deal. Those are the only two options.

And who the **** drinks Prosecco?

Did you switch off the TV before the end of the votes?