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Andy Capp
post Feb 28 2016, 10:01 AM
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post May 11 2017, 10:12 AM
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Diesel is cleaner now than ever before and is getting cleaner, it also generates less Co2 than petrol, the main benefit however is that government can use it as a cash cow and punish drivers for doing what the government actually told us to do. It's easier to tax motorists than to do something about all the other causes of air pollution all of which would cost more money to address.


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post May 11 2017, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 11 2017, 11:12 AM) *
Diesel is cleaner now than ever before and is getting cleaner, it also generates less Co2 than petrol, the main benefit however is that government can use it as a cash cow and punish drivers for doing what the government actually told us to do. It's easier to tax motorists than to do something about all the other causes of air pollution all of which would cost more money to address.

Quite. However, we are the 'government'. It is our fault, not theirs, in my view. 'We must' buy cheap stuff and 'we must' fly and drive for pleasure. 'We want' tomatoes all year round, we must have cheap TVs in every room and a decent phone to use while we 'watch' the telly, we MUST eat meat, etc...
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- Andy Capp   EU fail #1: low CO2 targets and filthy diesels cars   Feb 28 2016, 10:01 AM
- - je suis Charlie   Oh no! Plagues of locusts oer the earth, worl...   Feb 28 2016, 11:14 AM
- - Andy Capp   Yes I do, but I don't inhale and only the bits...   Feb 28 2016, 01:21 PM
- - blackdog   Interesting spin - mine would be: EU attempt to s...   Mar 2 2016, 11:07 AM
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