Catalonia, Shame Shame Shame Options

[TallDarkAndHands...]

At least we are civilized enough to allow the Scots a free vote. Spanish bad. Where is the condemnation from Juncker and Tusk? Shame on the EU. Walk of shame Juncker....

[Mr Brown]

Interesting point that one, for quite a few industries the EU isn't fair. Ironically food is a good example. It became a trade protection society for the original six and globalisation has made it obsolete.

[SirWilliam]

Interesting point that one, for quite a few industries the EU isn't fair. Ironically food is a good example. It became a trade protection society for the original six and globalisation has made it obsolete.

The natural assumption that a trading cartel is good for all is intrinsically flawed. It benefits those who run such institutions and the crumbs filter down to the working class but in itself it does not create wealth only ring fences it . One of the problems facing the present Government is that "leap of faith" which requires us to withdraw from the comfort zone of European collectiveness and become an independant trading nation once more . May have to start manufacturing things but someone has too .
We are all aware of the difference between trading partners and political subjection , the problem is separating the two . There is absolutely no reason at all , ( apart from the EU's intransigence ) , why we shouldn't remain trading partners without being subject to their federalist control . The free movement of labour conundrum is a red herring .

[newres]

The natural assumption that a trading cartel is good for all is intrinsically flawed. It benefits those who run such institutions and the crumbs filter down to the working class but in itself it does not create wealth only ring fences it . One of the problems facing the present Government is that "leap of faith" which requires us to withdraw from the comfort zone of European collectiveness and become an independant trading nation once more . May have to start manufacturing things but someone has too .
We are all aware of the difference between trading partners and political subjection , the problem is separating the two . There is absolutely no reason at all , ( apart from the EU's intransigence ) , why we shouldn't remain trading partners without being subject to their federalist control . The free movement of labour conundrum is a red herring .

May have to start manufacturing things? Protect the working class? I'd say these two things are mutually exclusive because we will never compete with the cheap labour nations of the Far East etc.

The bit in red. You're in having your cake and eating it land. It's not about federalist control, it's about competing on the same field with the same rules. These arguments go round in circles. We've the two camps - The Boris camp which tells us "it'll be great" without telling us how and we've got the rest that sees we are about to fall off a cliff. Reality has bitten though because May's great coup was her relationship with that moron Trump, which has been exposed for what it really is with Boeing.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

May have to start manufacturing things? Protect the working class? I'd say these two things are mutually exclusive because we will never compete with the cheap labour nations of the Far East etc.

The bit in red. You're in having your cake and eating it land. It's not about federalist control, it's about competing on the same field with the same rules. These arguments go round in circles. We've the two camps - The Boris camp which tells us "it'll be great" without telling us how and we've got the rest that sees we are about to fall off a cliff. Reality has bitten though because May's great coup was her relationship with that moron Trump, which has been exposed for what it really is with Boeing.

Now listen up newres or eurores or whatever your non de plume is today. The dye is cast. We are leaving the EU. And Mr Juncker and his cronies. Catalonia... Nothing to see here... Disgrace..More pertinently who was Prime Minister of Luxembourg when dodgy tax deals were brokered with US multi nationals? Oh yes the very same Mr Juncker. You are supporting a dictatorship and what will soon be the USE.��