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post Jan 30 2019, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 30 2019, 03:23 PM) *
The public in all polls seem very much to be as diverse as they were at the start. Efforts to delay Brexit failed miserably last night, no delay means no time left for a second referendum. Either, the EU cabal will need to bend on the whole backstop issue or we simply crash out with no deal. Those are the only two options.

And who the **** drinks Prosecco?


Quite and the #fbpe types have hardened opinion to leave. With the likes of femi (funded by Soros and the EU), Lammy (ever seen him on mastermind?) Worth a youtube look as I didn't realise it was possible for an elected politician to be quite so thick!!!🤣 And don't even get me started in Polly Toynbee...
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post Jan 30 2019, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 30 2019, 06:52 PM) *
Did you switch off the TV before the end of the votes?

Oh, you mean the NON BINDING amendment?
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post Jan 31 2019, 07:30 AM
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Well, just back from the boat show in Germany and it's **** near as cold here as it was there! Two schools of thought over there, the locals in the bars are pretty much wishing they could do the same as us, industry is bricking itself over damage to it's already falling car sales figures and most everyone else is running around wondering where the money is going to come from to prop up Mutti's spending dream. Anyway, quick slice of toast and off to bed!


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post Jan 31 2019, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 31 2019, 07:30 AM) *
Well, just back from the boat show in Germany and it's **** near as cold here as it was there! Two schools of thought over there, the locals in the bars are pretty much wishing they could do the same as us, industry is bricking itself over damage to it's already falling car sales figures and most everyone else is running around wondering where the money is going to come from to prop up Mutti's spending dream. Anyway, quick slice of toast and off to bed!


Shame the media don't send their vox pop reporters into the real world instead of giving airtime to the rentamouth rabble that occupies our televisions on a daily basis. Real people with real jobs and real concerns will forge a new future europe but it may be some time.
Take Ireland for instance. The obvious route is a united autonomous Ireland outside of both the UK and EU that trades freely with the UK in a similar vein to the Chanel Islands and Man, but can anyone see the politicians agreeing to that even though it would be beneficial to one and all?
Meanwhile march 29th approacheth.


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post Jan 31 2019, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 31 2019, 07:30 AM) *
Well, just back from the boat show in Germany and it's **** near as cold here as it was there! Two schools of thought over there, the locals in the bars are pretty much wishing they could do the same as us, industry is bricking itself over damage to it's already falling car sales figures and most everyone else is running around wondering where the money is going to come from to prop up Mutti's spending dream. Anyway, quick slice of toast and off to bed!

Probably that’s true in the bars you’d be in.
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post Jan 31 2019, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 31 2019, 05:01 PM) *
Probably that’s true in the bars you’d be in.

QUOTE (newres @ Jan 25 2019, 06:47 AM) *
Isn’t it obvious? She’s an uppity negro.
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post Jan 31 2019, 08:29 PM
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Did you have a sarcasm bypass?
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post Jan 31 2019, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jan 31 2019, 10:05 AM) *
Shame the media don't send their vox pop reporters into the real world instead of giving airtime to the rentamouth rabble that occupies our televisions on a daily basis. Real people with real jobs and real concerns will forge a new future europe but it may be some time.
Take Ireland for instance. The obvious route is a united autonomous Ireland outside of both the UK and EU that trades freely with the UK in a similar vein to the Chanel Islands and Man, but can anyone see the politicians agreeing to that even though it would be beneficial to one and all?
Meanwhile march 29th approacheth.

Ireland isn’t stupid enough to want to leave the EU. I think the issue is that having had a real war of independence from a genuinely foul occupier, they don’t feel the need to invent one.
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post Jan 31 2019, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 31 2019, 08:29 PM) *
Did you have a sarcasm bypass?

QUOTE (newres @ Jan 25 2019, 06:47 AM) *
Isn’t it obvious? She’s an uppity negro.


Racist!
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post Jan 31 2019, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 31 2019, 05:01 PM) *
Probably that’s true in the bars you’d be in.

Same bars as these people.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/0...ideologues/amp/


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post Jan 31 2019, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 31 2019, 08:32 PM) *
Ireland isn’t stupid enough to want to leave the EU. I think the issue is that having had a real war of independence from a genuinely foul occupier, they don’t feel the need to invent one.


Political instability is rife in the EU.

France is on fire and Macron is less popular than the Vichy leader, Germany struggling with migration and will go into recession in April, Greece broke, Italy fighting back but now in recession with broke banks, Poland and Hungary threatened with Art 7 for "nationalism". And don't even get me started on Deutsche Banks bonkers balance sheet.

So if I was Ireland.. I'd go for an Irexit. To remainers the EU seems to be some sort of cult and they will follow it until they end up in some sort of WACO type ending. Good luck with that.

P.S. - Its nice to call the Country of your birth (presumably) a "foul occupier". If I felt that way about the Country I call home I would move to a Country that I shared values with. Perhaps you should give it some thought?? For your own mental health.

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post Feb 1 2019, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 31 2019, 10:52 PM) *
Political instability is rife in the EU.

France is on fire and Macron is less popular than the Vichy leader, Germany struggling with migration and will go into recession in April, Greece broke, Italy fighting back but now in recession with broke banks, Poland and Hungary threatened with Art 7 for "nationalism". And don't even get me started on Deutsche Banks bonkers balance sheet.

So if I was Ireland.. I'd go for an Irexit. To remainers the EU seems to be some sort of cult and they will follow it until they end up in some sort of WACO type ending. Good luck with that.

P.S. - Its nice to call the Country of your birth (presumably) a "foul occupier". If I felt that way about the Country I call home I would move to a Country that I shared values with. Perhaps you should give it some thought?? For your own mental health.

Britain behaved fouly in Ireland. Not my fault you didn't know. Look up Cork, Black and Tans and Cromwell.
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post Feb 1 2019, 11:13 AM
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Just because you don't like somehitng about a country doesn't mean you should leave! You can try and have a positive change. The running away mentality is like a stroppy teenager outlook, or brexiteers!
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post Feb 1 2019, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 1 2019, 11:06 AM) *
Britain behaved fouly in Ireland. Not my fault you didn't know. Look up Cork, Black and Tans and Cromwell.

And the IRA behaved fouly as well during the troubles. Your another of these "I'm so ashamed of my countries past" brigade. I bet Churchill causes you great consternation. A racist imperialist who fought against the most evil regime ever.🤣
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post Feb 1 2019, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 1 2019, 11:13 AM) *
Just because you don't like somehitng about a country doesn't mean you should leave! You can try and have a positive change. The running away mentality is like a stroppy teenager outlook, or brexiteers!

Or Hollywood luvvies when Trump won. Or remainers saying they will leave and then not following through.
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post Feb 1 2019, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 1 2019, 11:46 AM) *
And the IRA behaved fouly as well during the troubles. Your another of these "I'm so ashamed of my countries past" brigade. I bet Churchill causes you great consternation. A racist imperialist who fought against the most evil regime ever.🤣

Hilarious that he thinks his mother country is foul because of Cromwell but thinks we should bind tighter to Europe, think Hitler and Mussolini. But then he is disturbed.

QUOTE (newres @ Jan 25 2019, 06:47 AM) *
Isn’t it obvious? She’s an uppity negro.
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post Feb 1 2019, 12:10 PM
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You can't change the past, dwelling on it doesn't help. However you can change the future, something remainers could have done if they'd all have exercised their vote instead of staying at home assuming it would never happen. Now they want a second chance. I would rather stay but I accept the result, lets move on.
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post Feb 1 2019, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (Andy1 @ Feb 1 2019, 12:10 PM) *
You can't change the past, dwelling on it doesn't help. However you can change the future, something remainers could have done if they'd all have exercised their vote instead of staying at home assuming it would never happen. Now they want a second chance. I would rather stay but I accept the result, lets move on.

Quite agree, regardless of ones personal take if we're to go anywhere we need to make whatever happens work. Recriminations won't get us anywhere, if we and the politicians had all pulled in the same direction two years ago we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. Regardless of the colour of your rosette the only person to have come out of this with any credibility is T M if only for her doggedness and resolution. JC has just looked like a rather tatty paper tiger and has bought discredit on the labour movement.


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post Feb 1 2019, 12:54 PM
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THIS, is a good article,

The Guardian: So, poorer Brexiters voted to be worse off? There’s nothing wrong in that.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...g-class-leavers


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post Feb 1 2019, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 1 2019, 11:48 AM) *
Or Hollywood luvvies when Trump won. Or remainers saying they will leave and then not following through.


I am a remainer and if I end up losing my job due to this Brexit shambles then I promise you that I will be off to Germany.
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