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EU fail #1: low CO2 targets and filthy diesels cars |
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May 11 2017, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 11 2017, 11:12 AM) Diesel is cleaner now than ever before and is getting cleaner, it also generates less Co2 than petrol, the main benefit however is that government can use it as a cash cow and punish drivers for doing what the government actually told us to do. It's easier to tax motorists than to do something about all the other causes of air pollution all of which would cost more money to address. Quite. However, we are the 'government'. It is our fault, not theirs, in my view. 'We must' buy cheap stuff and 'we must' fly and drive for pleasure. 'We want' tomatoes all year round, we must have cheap TVs in every room and a decent phone to use while we 'watch' the telly, we MUST eat meat, etc...
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May 11 2017, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 11 2017, 12:55 PM) Quite. However, we are the 'government'. It is our fault, not theirs, in my view. 'We must' buy cheap stuff and 'we must' fly and drive for pleasure. 'We want' tomatoes all year round, we must have cheap TVs in every room and a decent phone to use while we 'watch' the telly, we MUST eat meat, etc... Sadly, after 40 odd years of 'one size fits all' education, we are now conditioned to accept and not question; thus slaves to propoganda. What's good for Tesco etc, is good for us!
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May 11 2017, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 11 2017, 06:57 PM) Sadly, after 40 odd years of 'one size fits all' education, we are now conditioned to accept and not question; thus slaves to propoganda. What's good for Tesco etc, is good for us! Notwithstanding sustainability and a lack of your average Joe taking some responsibility for their part in all this. The western world is arrogant and selfish.
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