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EU fail #1: low CO2 targets and filthy diesels cars |
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May 8 2017, 08:41 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 4 2017, 09:24 AM) That's right: while we have companies that do things like VW did and a load of baying sheep that suck-up their hype, we need an authority to protect us. Sadly we were let down and people are apparently dying because of it. I still don't see that VW has done anything wrong legally. They were given a set of regulations and testing conditions and optimised their vehicles to that regime. US manufacturers have been doing it for decades. In California, exhausts emissions are set lower than other states. What did GM. Ford, etc do - simply added an engine-driven air pump to dilute the exhaust gas prior to the tailpipe so that the lower CO percentages were reached. This, of course, didn't change the overall exhaust pollution at all.
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May 8 2017, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ May 8 2017, 09:41 AM) I still don't see that VW has done anything wrong legally. They were given a set of regulations and testing conditions and optimised their vehicles to that regime. There's a thing called lying by omission, but if VW did nothing wrong, I'm surprised they are willing to spend so much money 'rectifying' the issue.
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