First bankers, now cars makers Options

[Andy Capp]

In this alleged free market economy, people should be going to gaol.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34322016

[Rdg]

I own a VW Diesel (well a Skoda) and it matters not a jot to me - I bought the car because I like diesels (**** i am mad and even like the smell) and the 1.9tdi is a very economical motor - I don't care what comes out of the end of the pipe compared to what officially comes out as it was not part of my buying decision. As long at it does 60mpg+ on long A road drives it is irrelevant to me.

To sue someone (as the Americans are apt to do) you need to have suffered a detriment and be seeking recompense for that - even if my engine was the newer 1.4 or 2.0 and so in this batch what detriment would I have suffered

[Andy Capp]

Of course none of us would ever stoop so low. Trouble is I have this nagging memory of old bangers and MOTs, some boot polish on the tyres, bit of bean can round the break cams, some porridge oats in the radiator and saw dust in the sump. Polish it up, and one of the lads in the local knew where the dodgy garages were for the price of a pint.

Remember, 'corporate' is actually us at work! As I've grown older I've been meeting too few people who'd turn to a boss and say 'no, that's immoral'. Also remember, people today have to be given respect, it's no longer earned.

None of that excuses anyone and is besides the point. In any event, we are an evolving species and we are slowly working out how to engage with each other.


On one hand RUP is an moral upstanding person fighting to expose an alleged cover-up, on the other you appear go 'meh' when one of the largest car manufactures is exposed for alleged fraud.

[On the edge]

None of that excuses anyone and is besides the point. In any event, we are an evolving species and we are slowly working out how to engage with each other.


On one hand RUP is an moral upstanding person fighting to expose an alleged cover-up, on the other you appear go 'meh' when one of the largest car manufactures is exposed for alleged fraud.

That's EXACTLY the point!

No one, or rather very very few are willing to do anything at all when such things happen locally. For the most part they don't even want even to make the effort and vote out the very people who are perpetuating such forms of corporate governance. So lets save the 'shock horror' - this is what we've voted for, this is what we've got.

By the way, most of us DO know exactly how to engage with each other, or are you suggesting evolution is going backwards?

[Andy Capp]

That's EXACTLY the point!

No one, or rather very very few are willing to do anything at all when such things happen locally. For the most part they don't even want even to make the effort and vote out the very people who are perpetuating such forms of corporate governance. So lets save the 'shock horror' - this is what we've voted for, this is what we've got.

By the way, most of us DO know exactly how to engage with each other, or are you suggesting evolution is going backwards?

Some of us think they do.

Who exactly 'voted for corporate indiscretion', the shareholders I suppose, but it is they who will suffer now. We are actually talking about apathy, but you get that when you entrust others. We trust certain brands so when that fails in such a basic way, it is 'shocking'.

There is a train of thought that we can evolve backwards, as we continue to support the weak and useless; however, my evolution point is that, like evolution, attitudes take time to change and won't change in a matter of decades or even centuries.