The environment and emissions. Options

[Turin Machine]

As it's BIG! News at the moment here's an interesting report on electric cars.

http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/presse/...08-Elektroautos

[TallDarkAndHands...]

As it's BIG! News at the moment here's an interesting report on electric cars.

http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/presse/...08-Elektroautos

It's pointless.China now accounts for 30 percent of the world's emissions and rising. These idiots in London should pay a visit to Tianamen Square to make the protest. I'd tune in to watch that...

[SirWilliam]

It's pointless.China now accounts for 30 percent of the world's emissions and rising. These idiots in London should pay a visit to Tianamen Square to make the protest. I'd tune in to watch that...

If my memory serves me right some of the brakes on Chinese vehicles leave a little to be desired. You are correct though in that we are a small nation who is doing our bit whereas the "big", (in more than one sense), players are charging headlong into the abyss, which makes one wonder if it's worth it.

[SirWilliam]

As it's BIG! News at the moment here's an interesting report on electric cars.

http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/presse/...08-Elektroautos

What most of us have thought anyway but nice to have the scientific boys on board.

[newres]

As it's BIG! News at the moment here's an interesting report on electric cars.

http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/presse/...08-Elektroautos

I would think in time that would change as technology progresses. It’s not a reason to give up.

[Turin Machine]

I would think in time that would change as technology progresses. It’s not a reason to give up.

Naw, it's science! Data! Can't beat data.

[newres]

Naw, it's science! Data! Can't beat data.

**** the planet then. Doesn’t matter at your age.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

**** the planet then. Doesn’t matter at your age.

It's irrelevant unless you get the biggest causes of climate change on board. Sure.. chain yourself to the Chinese and US embassies but don't glue yourself to a train, which ironically is far kinder to the environment than cars.

[SirWilliam]

It's irrelevant unless you get the biggest causes of climate change on board. Sure.. chain yourself to the Chinese and US embassies but don't glue yourself to a train, which ironically is far kinder to the environment than cars.

Personally I think it's too late to prevent the demise of the human race. Had WE started to address the problem 50 years ago,, when the effects were first being noticed, then maybe we could have averted the inevitable but unless the whole planet pulls as one today, (not tomorrow), then it's goodnight Vienna and nice knowing you. As for those idiots who are disrupting London in the misguided belief that anyone is going to take them seriously, I have news for you, no one's listening.

[Turin Machine]

**** the planet then. Doesn’t matter at your age.

Doesn't matter much at your age either, when it happens it happens. Driving a battery on wheels just won't cut it.

[newres]

Doesn't matter much at your age either, when it happens it happens. Driving a battery on wheels just won't cut it.

So nothing we do makes any difference and it’s probably not happening anyway. Been listening to the Donald?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

So nothing we do makes any difference and it’s probably not happening anyway. Been listening to the Donald?

I am afraid Sir Will is correct. Our ability to increase life expectancy and limit global conflicts combined with a massive increase in global living standards across the world has resulted in a population explosion. In effect we are victims of our own success. Mother nature will intervene and this may happen through climate change. I am afraid Newres composting and splitting his rubbish into 7 different bins just ain't gonna make a jot of difference.

[Turin Machine]

I am afraid Sir Will is correct. Our ability to increase life expectancy and limit global conflicts combined with a massive increase in global living standards across the world has resulted in a population explosion. In effect we are victims of our own success. Mother nature will intervene and this may happen through climate change. I am afraid Newres composting and splitting his rubbish into 7 different bins just ain't gonna make a jot of difference.

Nope, not while China is commissioning one new coal fired power station per week, South America is deforesting the Amazon basin, Americans all wanna drive six liter V8,s because reasons, India is dismantling the world's shipping fleets on its shores, throwing all the poisonous waste back into the sea, Russia doesn't give a **** because, well, Russia. But newres and a bunch of febrile, man made fibre wearing, drive to the edge of London before parking up and getting the tube to the protest, strawberries flown in from Spain eating loons think that driving a Pious is going to solve all the problems. Me, not so much.

[Turin Machine]

So nothing we do makes any difference and it’s probably not happening anyway. Been listening to the Donald?

Nope just read the report from the scientist, remember science? If you're having a problem with some of the bigger words, the ones with four or more letters in them try asking a grown up for help.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Nope just read the report from the scientist, remember science? If you're having a problem with some of the bigger words, the ones with four or more letters in them try asking a grown up for help.

Perhaps we should just have a global lottery and get rid of 75 percent of humans. Be a start. If you are really serious about stopping climate change then....😂

[newres]

Perhaps we should just have a global lottery and get rid of 75 percent of humans. Be a start. If you are really serious about stopping climate change then....😂

Most of those whining about the protest will be dead soon enough anyway.

[SirWilliam]

Most of those whining about the protest will be dead soon enough anyway.

Interesting little fact on the (sir) David Attenborough programme last night was that a third of greenhouse gasses are caused by deforestation. This is a double whammy in that we are not only increasing CO2 but reducing Oxygen production.
Don't worry about your pension snowflakes because you won't be around to collect it.

[Biker1]

I am afraid Sir Will is correct. Our ability to increase life expectancy and limit global conflicts combined with a massive increase in global living standards across the world has resulted in a population explosion. In effect we are victims of our own success. Mother nature will intervene and this may happen through climate change. I am afraid Newres composting and splitting his rubbish into 7 different bins just ain't gonna make a jot of difference.

Yep. Too many people and growing.
Cause of most of the World's problems.
It's inevitable that Nature will / must intervene.

[newres]

Yep. Too many people and growing.
Cause of most of the World's problems.
It's inevitable that Nature will / must intervene.

Well we could just try to reduce greenhouse gases rather than a mass cull.

[Andy Capp]

It's irrelevant unless you get the biggest causes of climate change on board. Sure.. chain yourself to the Chinese and US embassies but don't glue yourself to a train, which ironically is far kinder to the environment than cars.

Because of China et al. it seems to me to be an even bigger reason to invest in renewables.

[Biker1]

Well we could just try to reduce greenhouse gases rather than a mass cull.

Not really achievable with so many humans on the planet.
The most environmentally friendly thing you can do is to either kill yourself or someone else!!

[SirWilliam]

Not really achievable with so many humans on the planet.
The most environmentally friendly thing you can do is to either kill yourself or someone else!!

A sensible solution at last! The reality is that the population expansion is unsustainable and therefore a mass extinction is the only practical outcome. We don't own the planet, even though we like to think we do, it "tolerates" our existence but will have no qualms about wiping us out if it means saving itself. Maybe in a thousand years or maybe next week but it is going to happen.

[newres]

A sensible solution at last! The reality is that the population expansion is unsustainable and therefore a mass extinction is the only practical outcome. We don't own the planet, even though we like to think we do, it "tolerates" our existence but will have no qualms about wiping us out if it means saving itself. Maybe in a thousand years or maybe next week but it is going to happen.

Will that be before or after Sharia Law comes to the UK?

[SirWilliam]

Will that be before or after Sharia Law comes to the UK?

Doubt it will make any difference but if pushed I would say after then everyone can blame this "new" god for our demise.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Will that be before or after Sharia Law comes to the UK?

What has Sharia Law got to do with climate change? You are obsessed... most "rational" people on this forum understand that the little old UK can't make any difference with regards to it without a global solution.... but crack on yourself if it makes you feel "warm" inside... we'll all be warm soon.😂 Do like these lovely Sunny hot Easter days though.🌝🌞

[SirWilliam]

What has Sharia Law got to do with climate change? You are obsessed... most "rational" people on this forum understand that the little old UK can't make any difference with regards to it without a global solution.... but crack on yourself if it makes you feel "warm" inside... we'll all be warm soon.😂 Do like these lovely Sunny hot Easter days though.🌝🌞

Sunny easter is god's way of saying he loves us all.............Well it's no less likely than some of the rubbish that's spouted on here.

[Biker1]

The reality is that the population expansion is unsustainable and therefore a mass extinction is the only practical outcome. We don't own the planet, even though we like to think we do, it "tolerates" our existence but will have no qualms about wiping us out if it means saving itself. Maybe in a thousand years or maybe next week but it is going to happen.

Correct!
And Sharia Law, Brexit, or any other trivia we care to make up, will have little effect

[Turin Machine]

Well we could just try to reduce greenhouse gases rather than a mass cull.

Yup, we could all drive diesels, cut CO2.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Yup, we could all drive diesels, cut CO2.

We should give up carbon and live in caves yay!
We could show those pesky Chinese, Indians and Americans how to do it...After all we won't need central heating anymore. Bit hot today...😂

[x2lls]

For all you football fans.

From West Berks Climate Action Network


Here's a football dilemma to think about. Arsenal and Chelsea play each other in the Europa cup final at the end of the month. Arsenal and Chelsea are both based in London, less than 10 miles apart, yet the final is in Baku, Azerbaijan that's a 5500 mile round trip for every fan from either club that attends. It's a 68,000 seater stadium, so you can do the maths. Does anyone else think it's a bit daft setting the venue a year in advance and creating this level of unnecessary air travel and carbon emissions?

[Turin Machine]

Yeah but it's football, so presumably no one cares. Buncha knuckle draggers.

[Biker1]

Yeah but it's football, so presumably no one cares. Buncha knuckle draggers.

[je suis Charlie]

Hmmm!

AutoExpress: Electric cars would cut CO2 emissions by only 0.4 per cent.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/1068...nly-04-per-cent

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Hmmm!

AutoExpress: Electric cars would cut CO2 emissions by only 0.4 per cent.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/1068...nly-04-per-cent

Yeah.. but if we make ourselves poor via being green it's fine and we will feel good about ourselves... funny that. I still can't get over the teenagers I saw putting green save the planet placards in the back of a Range Rover after protesting in Newbury. 🤣😂

[newres]

Yeah.. but if we make ourselves poor via being green it's fine and we will feel good about ourselves... funny that. I still can't get over the teenagers I saw putting green save the planet placards in the back of a Range Rover after protesting in Newbury. 🤣😂

Climate change is all fake news according to Trump and there’s no point in doing anything according to Farage.

I’d say we should do all we can and lobby other governments to follow suit. It’s like saying there’s no point in tidying my driveway because next door’s is a mess.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Climate change is all fake news according to Trump and there’s no point in doing anything according to Farage.

I’d say we should do all we can and lobby other governments to follow suit. It’s like saying there’s no point in tidying my driveway because next door’s is a mess.

And yours will be a mess tomorrow...it's called weather. Yes something should be done but it needs a global solution. Us setting an "example" will just prove fruitless and make everyone a lot poorer than brexit ever would. ..you can always set a personal example if you like and become carbon neutral. Why not tax "driveways"... good idea I've come up with. Must put it forward to the greens...

[je suis Charlie]

Climate change is all fake news according to Trump and there’s no point in doing anything according to Farage.

I’d say we should do all we can and lobby other governments to follow suit. It’s like saying there’s no point in tidying my driveway because next door’s is a mess.

Yeah, quite agree, so when are you going over to china to tell them "you're doing it wrong"?

[newres]

Yeah, quite agree, so when are you going over to china to tell them "you're doing it wrong"?

Fair enough. “My one little wrapper won’t do any harm”.

[Biker1]

AutoExpress: Electric cars would cut CO2 emissions by only 0.4 per cent.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/1068...nly-04-per-cent

That's right.
There's no such thing a free energy.
There's always an environmental cost in addition to a financial one, and usually both.

[newres]

That's right.
There's no such thing a free energy.
There's always an environmental cost in addition to a financial one, and usually both.

Did you read it? The issue isn’t that it doesn’t reduce the environmental cost. It’s the argument I’ve heard for days by anyone of a gammon hue, there’s no point if China doesn’t.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Did you read it? The issue isn’t that it doesn’t reduce the environmental cost. It’s the argument I’ve heard for days by anyone of a gammon hue, there’s no point if China doesn’t.

Nothing to stop you from reducing your carbon footprint to zero. Set us all an example.😁

[newres]

Nothing to stop you from reducing your carbon footprint to zero. Set us all an example.😁

Do you ever actually manage to make a valid argument?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Do you ever actually manage to make a valid argument?

I think it's quite valid. Reduce your carbon footprint to zero. Show us Gammons how it is done.

[Turin Machine]

I think it's quite valid. Reduce your carbon footprint to zero. Show us Gammons how it is done.

Or is it "do as I say, not as I do?"

[newres]

Or is it "do as I say, not as I do?"

I’m not brilliant at acting in a green way. I need government to force me. That’s the truth of it.