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Turin Machine
As it's BIG! News at the moment here's an interesting report on electric cars.

http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/presse/...08-Elektroautos
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 18 2019, 02:10 PM) *
As it's BIG! News at the moment here's an interesting report on electric cars.

http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/presse/...08-Elektroautos


It's pointless.China now accounts for 30 percent of the world's emissions and rising. These idiots in London should pay a visit to Tianamen Square to make the protest. I'd tune in to watch that...
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 18 2019, 03:00 PM) *
It's pointless.China now accounts for 30 percent of the world's emissions and rising. These idiots in London should pay a visit to Tianamen Square to make the protest. I'd tune in to watch that...


If my memory serves me right some of the brakes on Chinese vehicles leave a little to be desired. You are correct though in that we are a small nation who is doing our bit whereas the "big", (in more than one sense), players are charging headlong into the abyss, which makes one wonder if it's worth it.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 18 2019, 02:10 PM) *
As it's BIG! News at the moment here's an interesting report on electric cars.

http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/presse/...08-Elektroautos


What most of us have thought anyway but nice to have the scientific boys on board.
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 18 2019, 02:10 PM) *
As it's BIG! News at the moment here's an interesting report on electric cars.

http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/presse/...08-Elektroautos

I would think in time that would change as technology progresses. Itís not a reason to give up.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 18 2019, 04:59 PM) *
I would think in time that would change as technology progresses. Itís not a reason to give up.

Naw, it's science! Data! Can't beat data.
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 18 2019, 05:09 PM) *
Naw, it's science! Data! Can't beat data.

**** the planet then. Doesnít matter at your age.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 18 2019, 06:37 PM) *
**** the planet then. Doesnít matter at your age.

It's irrelevant unless you get the biggest causes of climate change on board. Sure.. chain yourself to the Chinese and US embassies but don't glue yourself to a train, which ironically is far kinder to the environment than cars.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 18 2019, 07:01 PM) *
It's irrelevant unless you get the biggest causes of climate change on board. Sure.. chain yourself to the Chinese and US embassies but don't glue yourself to a train, which ironically is far kinder to the environment than cars.


Personally I think it's too late to prevent the demise of the human race. Had WE started to address the problem 50 years ago,, when the effects were first being noticed, then maybe we could have averted the inevitable but unless the whole planet pulls as one today, (not tomorrow), then it's goodnight Vienna and nice knowing you. As for those idiots who are disrupting London in the misguided belief that anyone is going to take them seriously, I have news for you, no one's listening.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 18 2019, 06:37 PM) *
**** the planet then. Doesnít matter at your age.

Doesn't matter much at your age either, when it happens it happens. Driving a battery on wheels just won't cut it.
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 18 2019, 07:53 PM) *
Doesn't matter much at your age either, when it happens it happens. Driving a battery on wheels just won't cut it.

So nothing we do makes any difference and itís probably not happening anyway. Been listening to the Donald?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 18 2019, 08:52 PM) *
So nothing we do makes any difference and itís probably not happening anyway. Been listening to the Donald?

I am afraid Sir Will is correct. Our ability to increase life expectancy and limit global conflicts combined with a massive increase in global living standards across the world has resulted in a population explosion. In effect we are victims of our own success. Mother nature will intervene and this may happen through climate change. I am afraid Newres composting and splitting his rubbish into 7 different bins just ain't gonna make a jot of difference.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 18 2019, 09:13 PM) *
I am afraid Sir Will is correct. Our ability to increase life expectancy and limit global conflicts combined with a massive increase in global living standards across the world has resulted in a population explosion. In effect we are victims of our own success. Mother nature will intervene and this may happen through climate change. I am afraid Newres composting and splitting his rubbish into 7 different bins just ain't gonna make a jot of difference.

Nope, not while China is commissioning one new coal fired power station per week, South America is deforesting the Amazon basin, Americans all wanna drive six liter V8,s because reasons, India is dismantling the world's shipping fleets on its shores, throwing all the poisonous waste back into the sea, Russia doesn't give a **** because, well, Russia. But newres and a bunch of febrile, man made fibre wearing, drive to the edge of London before parking up and getting the tube to the protest, strawberries flown in from Spain eating loons think that driving a Pious is going to solve all the problems. Me, not so much.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 18 2019, 08:52 PM) *
So nothing we do makes any difference and itís probably not happening anyway. Been listening to the Donald?

Nope just read the report from the scientist, remember science? If you're having a problem with some of the bigger words, the ones with four or more letters in them try asking a grown up for help.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 18 2019, 09:58 PM) *
Nope just read the report from the scientist, remember science? If you're having a problem with some of the bigger words, the ones with four or more letters in them try asking a grown up for help.

Perhaps we should just have a global lottery and get rid of 75 percent of humans. Be a start. If you are really serious about stopping climate change then....😂
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 18 2019, 10:20 PM) *
Perhaps we should just have a global lottery and get rid of 75 percent of humans. Be a start. If you are really serious about stopping climate change then....😂

Most of those whining about the protest will be dead soon enough anyway.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 19 2019, 06:37 AM) *
Most of those whining about the protest will be dead soon enough anyway.


Interesting little fact on the (sir) David Attenborough programme last night was that a third of greenhouse gasses are caused by deforestation. This is a double whammy in that we are not only increasing CO2 but reducing Oxygen production.
Don't worry about your pension snowflakes because you won't be around to collect it.
Biker1
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 18 2019, 10:13 PM) *
I am afraid Sir Will is correct. Our ability to increase life expectancy and limit global conflicts combined with a massive increase in global living standards across the world has resulted in a population explosion. In effect we are victims of our own success. Mother nature will intervene and this may happen through climate change. I am afraid Newres composting and splitting his rubbish into 7 different bins just ain't gonna make a jot of difference.

Yep. Too many people and growing.
Cause of most of the World's problems.
It's inevitable that Nature will / must intervene.
newres
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 19 2019, 08:22 AM) *
Yep. Too many people and growing.
Cause of most of the World's problems.
It's inevitable that Nature will / must intervene.

Well we could just try to reduce greenhouse gases rather than a mass cull.
Andy Capp
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 18 2019, 07:01 PM) *
It's irrelevant unless you get the biggest causes of climate change on board. Sure.. chain yourself to the Chinese and US embassies but don't glue yourself to a train, which ironically is far kinder to the environment than cars.

Because of China et al. it seems to me to be an even bigger reason to invest in renewables.
Biker1
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 19 2019, 11:08 AM) *
Well we could just try to reduce greenhouse gases rather than a mass cull.

Not really achievable with so many humans on the planet.
The most environmentally friendly thing you can do is to either kill yourself or someone else!! ohmy.gif
SirWilliam
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 20 2019, 07:48 AM) *
Not really achievable with so many humans on the planet.
The most environmentally friendly thing you can do is to either kill yourself or someone else!! ohmy.gif


A sensible solution at last! The reality is that the population expansion is unsustainable and therefore a mass extinction is the only practical outcome. We don't own the planet, even though we like to think we do, it "tolerates" our existence but will have no qualms about wiping us out if it means saving itself. Maybe in a thousand years or maybe next week but it is going to happen.
newres
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 20 2019, 09:15 AM) *
A sensible solution at last! The reality is that the population expansion is unsustainable and therefore a mass extinction is the only practical outcome. We don't own the planet, even though we like to think we do, it "tolerates" our existence but will have no qualms about wiping us out if it means saving itself. Maybe in a thousand years or maybe next week but it is going to happen.

Will that be before or after Sharia Law comes to the UK?
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 20 2019, 09:24 AM) *
Will that be before or after Sharia Law comes to the UK?


Doubt it will make any difference but if pushed I would say after then everyone can blame this "new" god for our demise.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 20 2019, 09:24 AM) *
Will that be before or after Sharia Law comes to the UK?

What has Sharia Law got to do with climate change? You are obsessed... most "rational" people on this forum understand that the little old UK can't make any difference with regards to it without a global solution.... but crack on yourself if it makes you feel "warm" inside... we'll all be warm soon.😂 Do like these lovely Sunny hot Easter days though.🌝🌞
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 20 2019, 07:05 PM) *
What has Sharia Law got to do with climate change? You are obsessed... most "rational" people on this forum understand that the little old UK can't make any difference with regards to it without a global solution.... but crack on yourself if it makes you feel "warm" inside... we'll all be warm soon.😂 Do like these lovely Sunny hot Easter days though.🌝🌞


Sunny easter is god's way of saying he loves us all.............Well it's no less likely than some of the rubbish that's spouted on here.
Biker1
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 20 2019, 09:15 AM) *
The reality is that the population expansion is unsustainable and therefore a mass extinction is the only practical outcome. We don't own the planet, even though we like to think we do, it "tolerates" our existence but will have no qualms about wiping us out if it means saving itself. Maybe in a thousand years or maybe next week but it is going to happen.

Correct!
And Sharia Law, Brexit, or any other trivia we care to make up, will have little effect smile.gif
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 19 2019, 10:08 AM) *
Well we could just try to reduce greenhouse gases rather than a mass cull.

Yup, we could all drive diesels, cut CO2.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 21 2019, 09:53 AM) *
Yup, we could all drive diesels, cut CO2.

We should give up carbon and live in caves yay!
We could show those pesky Chinese, Indians and Americans how to do it...After all we won't need central heating anymore. Bit hot today...😂
x2lls
For all you football fans.

From West Berks Climate Action Network


Here's a football dilemma to think about. Arsenal and Chelsea play each other in the Europa cup final at the end of the month. Arsenal and Chelsea are both based in London, less than 10 miles apart, yet the final is in Baku, Azerbaijan that's a 5500 mile round trip for every fan from either club that attends. It's a 68,000 seater stadium, so you can do the maths. Does anyone else think it's a bit daft setting the venue a year in advance and creating this level of unnecessary air travel and carbon emissions?
Turin Machine
Yeah but it's football, so presumably no one cares. Buncha knuckle draggers.
Biker1
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 11 2019, 12:14 AM) *
Yeah but it's football, so presumably no one cares. Buncha knuckle draggers.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
je suis Charlie
Hmmm!

AutoExpress: Electric cars would cut CO2 emissions by only 0.4 per cent.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/1068...nly-04-per-cent
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 14 2019, 06:33 PM) *
Hmmm!

AutoExpress: Electric cars would cut CO2 emissions by only 0.4 per cent.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/1068...nly-04-per-cent


Yeah.. but if we make ourselves poor via being green it's fine and we will feel good about ourselves... funny that. I still can't get over the teenagers I saw putting green save the planet placards in the back of a Range Rover after protesting in Newbury. 🤣😂
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 14 2019, 07:34 PM) *
Yeah.. but if we make ourselves poor via being green it's fine and we will feel good about ourselves... funny that. I still can't get over the teenagers I saw putting green save the planet placards in the back of a Range Rover after protesting in Newbury. 🤣😂

Climate change is all fake news according to Trump and thereís no point in doing anything according to Farage.

Iíd say we should do all we can and lobby other governments to follow suit. Itís like saying thereís no point in tidying my driveway because next doorís is a mess.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 14 2019, 07:50 PM) *
Climate change is all fake news according to Trump and thereís no point in doing anything according to Farage.

Iíd say we should do all we can and lobby other governments to follow suit. Itís like saying thereís no point in tidying my driveway because next doorís is a mess.

And yours will be a mess tomorrow...it's called weather. Yes something should be done but it needs a global solution. Us setting an "example" will just prove fruitless and make everyone a lot poorer than brexit ever would. ..you can always set a personal example if you like and become carbon neutral. Why not tax "driveways"... good idea I've come up with. Must put it forward to the greens...
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ May 14 2019, 07:50 PM) *
Climate change is all fake news according to Trump and thereís no point in doing anything according to Farage.

Iíd say we should do all we can and lobby other governments to follow suit. Itís like saying thereís no point in tidying my driveway because next doorís is a mess.

Yeah, quite agree, so when are you going over to china to tell them "you're doing it wrong"?
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 14 2019, 08:01 PM) *
Yeah, quite agree, so when are you going over to china to tell them "you're doing it wrong"?

Fair enough. ďMy one little wrapper wonít do any harmĒ.

Biker1
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 14 2019, 06:33 PM) *
AutoExpress: Electric cars would cut CO2 emissions by only 0.4 per cent.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/1068...nly-04-per-cent

That's right.
There's no such thing a free energy.
There's always an environmental cost in addition to a financial one, and usually both.
newres
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 15 2019, 06:11 AM) *
That's right.
There's no such thing a free energy.
There's always an environmental cost in addition to a financial one, and usually both.

Did you read it? The issue isnít that it doesnít reduce the environmental cost. Itís the argument Iíve heard for days by anyone of a gammon hue, thereís no point if China doesnít.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 15 2019, 06:22 AM) *
Did you read it? The issue isnít that it doesnít reduce the environmental cost. Itís the argument Iíve heard for days by anyone of a gammon hue, thereís no point if China doesnít.

Nothing to stop you from reducing your carbon footprint to zero. Set us all an example.😁
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 15 2019, 06:49 AM) *
Nothing to stop you from reducing your carbon footprint to zero. Set us all an example.😁

Do you ever actually manage to make a valid argument?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 15 2019, 08:16 AM) *
Do you ever actually manage to make a valid argument?

I think it's quite valid. Reduce your carbon footprint to zero. Show us Gammons how it is done.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 15 2019, 10:19 AM) *
I think it's quite valid. Reduce your carbon footprint to zero. Show us Gammons how it is done.

Or is it "do as I say, not as I do?"
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 15 2019, 10:37 AM) *
Or is it "do as I say, not as I do?"

Iím not brilliant at acting in a green way. I need government to force me. Thatís the truth of it.
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