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Halal, why should we put up with this?, If fox hunting with dogs is outlawed, why not Halal? |
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Jan 1 2012, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 1 2012, 10:50 PM) Hypocrites, the lot of us. We are comfortable because someone, or something else is suffering. Halal meat is abominable, but then so is the way we treat animals. Laws were passed to ensure animals suffered the least amount of suffering before slaughter if it does not meet these requirements then it should be banned.
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Jan 1 2012, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Jan 1 2012, 10:56 PM) Laws were passed to ensure animals suffered the least amount of suffering before slaughter if it does not meet these requirements then it should be banned. Agreed, but should we be killing them in the first place?
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Jan 1 2012, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 1 2012, 10:58 PM) Agreed, but should we be killing them in the first place? Well considering we are at the top of the food chain and there are minerals and what not in meat that, if we had not been meat eaters, would not have made us into the awesome specimens we all are today...I'd say so. Cows don't have feelings. When was the last time you went to group therapy and Dorris the Cow was there crying her little hoofs off because Billy the Bull cheated on her, or how she's not lactating properly? Only cats, dogs and wildebeast deserve compassion. In this country we are not a halal-consumer. It doesn't meat (see what I did there) with our laws about animal safety and should not be followed. I appreciate these Muslim MPs are British, fair enough, but it's a British government building and they are able to do what they want. I think they should offer it but it should be on a fixed basis, as in if you want the Halal meat you must agree to have it, otherwise it would be brought in and thrown out due to people not eating it. If I were the leader, I'd just put a sign up saying "Halal meat" when in actual fact it was the same stuff I was giving everyone else. Religion is a silly thing, it's great to believe in a higher power when you run out of logical and scientifically provable answers to lifes problems but things like how the animal you kill has to suffer more than necessary is just stupid and people shouldn't kick up a stink about it. After all, I don't suppose British MPs in the Islamic government (if there are any) get a Full English as and when they want. Talking of food, I need to beat my meat. It's misbehaving again.
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Jan 1 2012, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Jan 1 2012, 11:20 PM) Well considering we are at the top of the food chain and there are minerals and what not in meat that, if we had not been meat eaters, would not have made us into the awesome specimens we all are today...I'd say so. We also have the compassion and the recognition when creatures are in distress. We are also the only creatures (that I am aware of) that cook food. Perhaps we are not meant to eat 'them'? Cows, et al, mourn.
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Jan 2 2012, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jan 1 2012, 11:59 PM) Cooking also cleans food and removes harmful bacteria. Exactly. QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jan 1 2012, 11:59 PM) Next we will be making cats and dogs vegetarian...... Both eat vegetation by nature, and their dry food is most probably not mainly meat.
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Jan 2 2012, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jan 2 2012, 12:19 AM) Dry pet food is not exactly natural diet and can be harmful if not administered correctly. Well, I'd usually insist on them using the mouth! vets, who I am sure only have the welfare of the animal at heart , usually try to impress dry food on us! QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jan 2 2012, 12:19 AM) Cats chew grass as a digestive aid, not as a food. Not sure which dogs consume vegetation. Presumably you haven't owned a dog; they eat anything and everything. QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jan 2 2012, 12:19 AM) As for the agreement re cooking, I'm confused (again!!!).... We have to cook to stop it from harming us. Our incisors are not ideal meat masticators.
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Jan 2 2012, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 2 2012, 12:30 AM) Well, I'd usually insist on them using the mouth! vets, who I am sure only have the welfare of the animal at heart , usually try to impress dry food on us! They do? For cats? What do vets know?Presumably you haven't owned a dog; they eat anything and everything. Correct..... I know some breeds chew anything and everything. They will chew slippers, but I doubt one would be given as a meal.....We have to cook to stop it from harming us. Our incisors are not ideal meat masticators. The incisors are general purpose 'knives', cutting food onto mouth-size pieces regardless of source. The canines are the 'meat' teeth, for piercing and ripping.
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Jan 2 2012, 12:57 AM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jan 2 2012, 12:55 AM) What has this to do with enforcement of halal? I thought that is obvious. People are getting pious over the treatment of animals. We are all cruel to animals to some degree.
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Jan 2 2012, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE (lordtup @ Jan 2 2012, 09:35 AM) If certain groups can not accept this then they should live elsewhere. Oh look, another attack on followers of Islam. Well, this forum has recently descended as far as muttering .. ." ...ruddy Johnny Foreigner ....coming over here drinking all our water...mutter mutter...shouldn't be allowed...mutter .....". Now we got the meat issue. I take it Kosher is out as well then?
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Jan 2 2012, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE (Rusty Bullet @ Jan 2 2012, 09:52 AM) Oh look, another attack on followers of Islam.
Well, this forum has recently descended as far as muttering .. ." ...ruddy Johnny Foreigner ....coming over here drinking all our water...mutter mutter...shouldn't be allowed...mutter .....". Now we got the meat issue. I take it Kosher is out as well then? YESS !!! You have a problem with that ?
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Jan 2 2012, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE (Rusty Bullet @ Jan 2 2012, 09:52 AM) Oh look, another attack on followers of Islam. I don't see it that way; Islam happen to endorse halal. I agree with others that our laws shouldn't be loosened to suit religious practice or culture, especially when it comes to the welfare of people and animals.
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