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post Apr 12 2019, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 12 2019, 12:24 PM) *
Ahem!
"Which doesn't mean Labour's shadow cabinet is yet foursquare behind it: there are probably ten of Jeremy Corbyn's most senior colleagues who, like him, have doubts about whether Labour should become the referendum party."
"Labour split over second referendum after Barry Gardiner claims 'we are not a Remain party'"
Then there's this,
"Exactly the same proportion of voters believe there should be a second referendum on Brexit as think the UK should leave the EU without a deal, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

The survey shows the country split down the middle, with 43% supporting a delay to Brexit in order to hold a second public vote and 43% believing the UK should simply quit without any agreement with Brussels."

And to round off for now as

"Jeremy Corbyn was warned by Labour party chairman Ian Lavery that he risked going down in history as the leader who split his party if he backed another referendum on Brexit, in an extraordinary outburst during a meeting of the shadow cabinet last week, according to senior party sources."

Looks a bit 'splittish' to me.

Nope. From memory the party is about 90% remain.
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post Apr 12 2019, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 12:40 PM) *
Nope. From memory the party is about 90% remain.

Not what the poles and pundits say. As for your memory, we're still waiting for that viral post. Forget much?
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post Apr 12 2019, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 12:40 PM) *
Nope. From memory the party is about 90% remain.

Wrong again, 65% is closer to the mark.

Source .gov
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post Apr 12 2019, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 11:46 AM) *
Labour are overwhelmingly in favour of a second referendum as a party. It isn’t split but obviously there are exceptions, notably Corbyn.

Err,
"Labour to order MPs not to back second Brexit referendum amendment"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/m...ntrol-of-brexit

Couldn't make this **** up, oh wait!


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post Apr 12 2019, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 12 2019, 02:39 PM) *
Wrong again, 65% is closer to the mark.

Source .gov

Labour voters yes. Members 89%. Stop telling lies.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguard...ond-brexit-vote
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post Apr 12 2019, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 12 2019, 03:09 PM) *
Err,
"Labour to order MPs not to back second Brexit referendum amendment"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/m...ntrol-of-brexit

Couldn't make this **** up, oh wait!

I think Labour are gambling on an election. If May falls (when), the commons maths won’t change so whoever wins is going to be in the same position. The deadlock can only be broken by an election or a referendum. Although May might decide to offer a referendum on her deal with Labour backing. But Corbyn is after power so I wouldn’t be surprised if he refused and gambled on offering a referendum in a GE. He’s guaranteed 48% of the electorate and Farage will **** the Tories.
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post Apr 12 2019, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 03:22 PM) *
I think Labour are gambling on an election. If May falls (when), the commons maths won’t change so whoever wins is going to be in the same position. The deadlock can only be broken by an election or a referendum. Although May might decide to offer a referendum on her deal with Labour backing. But Corbyn is after power so I wouldn’t be surprised if he refused and gambled on offering a referendum in a GE. He’s guaranteed 48% of the electorate and Farage will **** the Tories.

Wrong, Farage will be targeting the 35% of labour voters who voted leave and are now being denied. May managed to win last time and now with the yoof vote dwindling from old whiskers they may shoot themselves in the foot. A new pole shows the country evenly split between stay and no deal so it's going to be a close call. I think 'no deal' will edge it.
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post Apr 12 2019, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 12 2019, 03:37 PM) *
Wrong, Farage will be targeting the 35% of labour voters who voted leave and are now being denied. May managed to win last time and now with the yoof vote dwindling from old whiskers they may shoot themselves in the foot. A new pole shows the country evenly split between stay and no deal so it's going to be a close call. I think 'no deal' will edge it.

Another lie. Remain is clearly in the lead.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-...would-you-vote/
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post Apr 12 2019, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 03:59 PM) *
Another lie. Remain is clearly in the lead.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-...would-you-vote/

Yeah, right, see the bit where it includes data from 2016? Try this

https://fullfact.org/europe/does-public-want-no-deal/

And if your going to call me a liar let's see you back up some of your claims. C'mon, Mr viral post.
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post Apr 12 2019, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 12 2019, 04:12 PM) *
Yeah, right, see the bit where it includes data from 2016? Try this

https://fullfact.org/europe/does-public-want-no-deal/

And if your going to call me a liar let's see you back up some of your claims. C'mon, Mr viral post.

Waits patiently; oh well, while we're here

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/br...n-a4108916.html


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post Apr 12 2019, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 12 2019, 04:15 PM) *
Waits patiently; oh well, while we're here

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/br...n-a4108916.html

That’s just one poll. The link I posted is to all the polls. Well done on finding one though. Now give your head a wobble and look at all of the polls.

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post Apr 12 2019, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 04:21 PM) *
That’s just one poll. The link I posted is to all the polls. Well done on finding one though. Now give your head a wobble and look at all of the polls.

What with data from 2016? Very accurate, not. JSC's poll is interesting though.

Where's the link to this viral 😂 post?


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post Apr 12 2019, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 04:21 PM) *
That’s just one poll. The link I posted is to all the polls. Well done on finding one though. Now give your head a wobble and look at all of the polls.

Show me a poll with a decent sample (say 25000) that has data spread evenly through the demographic and evenly spread geographically (with weighting for the density of population) and that isn't being run by a polling firm with an "agenda" and I may believe you..think you may struggle though
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post Apr 12 2019, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 01:40 PM) *
Nope. From memory the party is about 90% remain.

Even using your poll data there is only an 8% advantage to remain.


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post Apr 12 2019, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 12 2019, 04:31 PM) *
Even using your poll data there is only an 8% advantage to remain.

Don't confuse him with facts, he'll have another tantrum.
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post Apr 12 2019, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 12 2019, 04:31 PM) *
Even using your poll data there is only an 8% advantage to remain.

Is that not enough?
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post Apr 12 2019, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 04:42 PM) *
Is that not enough?

Nope, well within the margins of safety, 8% is miniscule on the day.
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post Apr 12 2019, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 03:14 PM) *
Labour voters yes. Members 89%. Stop telling lies.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguard...ond-brexit-vote

It's voters that decide, at the polls, when they vote.
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post Apr 12 2019, 05:01 PM
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Nigel's back in town! Can't wait for the sparks to fly.


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post Apr 12 2019, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 12 2019, 06:01 PM) *
Nigel's back in town! Can't wait for the sparks to fly.

He’s a disaster for leave. He’ll take some Labour voters but he’ll split the leave vote mostly.
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