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TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 27 2019, 05:03 PM) *
And talking of gravy trains, will all the Brexit MEPs refuse their salaries? That would be the principled thing to do.

This is the ultimate gravy train....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/ne...europe-48280134

30000 staff....
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 27 2019, 04:30 PM) *
That would split the Tory party. Donít forget West Berks is Conservative AND remain. The result of that here would be a Lib Dem MP.

Except we just elected a brexit MEP.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 27 2019, 04:47 PM) *
That is your opinion. Mine is different. I do thing the Lib Dems could get in here as we have a pro EU MP that would put any leaver off. Why would Benyon want to leave the gravy train and CAP.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail....d-cover-up.html

Not a fan of his I'm afraid, however I did help campaign for David Rendel.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 27 2019, 06:52 PM) *
Not a fan of his I'm afraid, however I did help campaign for David Rendel.


Not am I.
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 27 2019, 06:50 PM) *
Except we just elected a brexit MEP.

What were the percentages in West Berks? Iíve not seen them but I presume Greens and Libdems would probably be around 55-65%?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 27 2019, 07:41 PM) *
What were the percentages in West Berks? Iíve not seen them but I presume Greens and Libdems would probably be around 55-65%?

First Past the Post fella...and see for yourself. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Greens + Lib Dems were 43%. Further proof you live in an #fbpe echo chamber

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48403131
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 27 2019, 07:49 PM) *
First Past the Post fella...and see for yourself. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Greens + Lib Dems were 43%. Further proof you live in an #fbpe echo chamber

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48403131

Remind me, what was Brexit and UKIP combined? laugh.gif

Although Brexit were the largest single ďpartyĒ, Farage has demonstrated that itís only around 30% that support his sort of Brexit and heís also ****** up the Tories making Brexit even less likely. Win, win for Remain.
newres
Oh and the other thing Brexit Party have done is forced Labourís hand over a second referendum. BJ will be in serious trouble now because to avoid a general election heíll have to allow a second referendum but if he does that, ERG will vote him down. Heís snookered. Itís an impossible position for anyone.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 27 2019, 08:57 PM) *
Oh and the other thing Brexit Party have done is forced Labourís hand over a second referendum. BJ will be in serious trouble now because to avoid a general election heíll have to allow a second referendum but if he does that, ERG will vote him down. Heís snookered. Itís an impossible position for anyone.


Yep. But Boris and Farage combined could win a GE and that would end all remainer hope. Do you want to risk that? Go ahead. Do you feel lucky? Well do ya?😂😂
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 27 2019, 09:05 PM) *
Yep. But Boris and Farage combined could win a GE and that would end all remainer hope. Do you want to risk that? Go ahead. Do you feel lucky? Well do ya?😂😂

You donít get it do you? Itíll split the Tory party. Phillip Hammond will jump ship and he wonít be alone. Brexit is finished. It was Mayís deal or Remain.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 27 2019, 09:09 PM) *
You donít get it do you? Itíll split the Tory party. Phillip Hammond will jump ship and he wonít be alone. Brexit is finished. It was Mayís deal or Remain.

You just don't get it do you? Hammond is despised. Won't make a jot of difference.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 27 2019, 09:18 PM) *
You just don't get it do you? Hammond is despised. Won't make a jot of difference.

Heís only despised by people like you. The 30%.
Turin Machine
Boris is clear favourite. All the bookies say so. Hammond can go swing.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ May 27 2019, 07:41 PM) *
What were the percentages in West Berks? Iíve not seen them but I presume Greens and Libdems would probably be around 55-65%?


The results for West Berkshire, announced last night, were:

Change UK - The Independent Group 1,948

Conservative and Unionist Party 5,974

Green Party 6,029

Labour Party 1,632

Liberal Democrats 13,981

The Brexit Party 15,830

The Socialist Party of Great Britain 59

UK European Union Party 118

UK Independence Party 883

McMahon 54

Round 37

Turberville 30

The turnout was 39.30 per cent.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 27 2019, 11:24 PM) *
The results for West Berkshire, announced last night, were:

Change UK - The Independent Group 1,948

Conservative and Unionist Party 5,974

Green Party 6,029

Labour Party 1,632

Liberal Democrats 13,981

The Brexit Party 15,830

The Socialist Party of Great Britain 59

UK European Union Party 118

UK Independence Party 883

McMahon 54

Round 37

Turberville 30

The turnout was 39.30 per cent.

Thank you. A majority for the Remain parties.
Strafin
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 27 2019, 09:51 PM) *
Boris is clear favourite. All the bookies say so. Hammond can go swing.


Bookies don't work on probability though, they only work on what bets are actually placed and work out the finest balance of odds to ensure the largest return whoever wins.
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 27 2019, 09:51 PM) *
Boris is clear favourite. All the bookies say so. Hammond can go swing.

If BJ wins and goes for no deal the government will fall and the Tories will be wiped out. The only way out of this is a second referendum with clearly defined options.
je suis Charlie
BBC News - Alastair Campbell expelled from Labour Party
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48434842

Just wee'd myself, just a bit. #watchlabourtearitselfapart.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (Strafin @ May 28 2019, 08:24 AM) *
Bookies don't work on probability though, they only work on what bets are actually placed and work out the finest balance of odds to ensure the largest return whoever wins.

To win the most seats at the next General Election according to Coral

Labour - 11-10
Conservative - 5-4
Brexit Party - 6-1
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 28 2019, 04:46 PM) *
To win the most seats at the next General Election according to Coral

Labour - 11-10
Conservative - 5-4
Brexit Party - 6-1


Lib Dems are 33s. Get on Newres!
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 28 2019, 08:08 PM) *
Lib Dems are 33s. Get on Newres!

I think youíve got a thing for me. Newbury will be interesting though. Iíd imagine Benyon will get a good chunk of his votes back in a GE but I doubt Brexit would get as many votes percentage wise so this could easily be a Lib Dem seat again. The greens did well too though and it would be a shame to see the ďliberalĒ vote split like that here.

Just for the record Iím a floating voter.
Biker1
Classic NWN headline.....Newbury MP - "I'm bored with Brexit".
That's strange, the rest of us are enthralled with it. Especially the way it has been handled by the Tories!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Strafin
I was really annoyed when I saw that article, the biggest thing happening in our country for 20 years which was initiated by his party and has been ballsed up by his party, and he's bored? It's an indication of how parliament feels about its electorate.
newres
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 29 2019, 08:21 AM) *
Classic NWN headline.....Newbury MP - "I'm bored with Brexit".
That's strange, the rest of us are enthralled with it. Especially the way it has been handled by the Tories!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I do wonder what we'll do for entertainment if it all gets resolved amicably (like that's gonna happen).
James_Trinder
This has cheered me right up this morning:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/29/boris-johnso...s-lies-9722730/

je suis Charlie
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 29 2019, 11:11 AM) *
This has cheered me right up this morning:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/29/boris-johnso...s-lies-9722730/

As it should, man's a buffoon. Imagine? A politician lying? Wow!
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 29 2019, 11:49 AM) *
As it should, man's a buffoon. Imagine? A politician lying? Wow!

This fella seems the best option

https://mobile.twitter.com/RoryStewartUK

newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 29 2019, 03:06 PM) *
This fella seems the best option

https://mobile.twitter.com/RoryStewartUK

Or Matt Hancock. None of them can get Brexit through though without a customs union. There's only one way out now.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 29 2019, 03:06 PM) *
This fella seems the best option

https://mobile.twitter.com/RoryStewartUK

Probably too honest if truth be told. Still, Boris is still odds on favourite in Westminster. With Tusk saying Non! To any further negotiations, unless they revoke (which would be suicide) they have simply run out of time. What a mess!
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 29 2019, 03:32 PM) *
Probably too honest if truth be told. Still, Boris is still odds on favourite in Westminster. With Tusk saying Non! To any further negotiations, unless they revoke (which would be suicide) they have simply run out of time. What a mess!

From Gina Miller,

"But the grim reality is that with so many unscrupulous politicians so close to taking the leadership of the Conservative party, and the office of prime minister, a no-deal Brexit seems more likely than ever before."
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 29 2019, 11:11 AM) *
This has cheered me right up this morning:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/29/boris-johnso...s-lies-9722730/


Be an interesting precedent. Blair, Campbell (WMD), and every remainer that said we would be in recession if we voted out would be fair game. #canofworms. Crowdfunding has already started to prosecute scaremongering remain MPs.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 29 2019, 11:49 AM) *
As it should, man's a buffoon. Imagine? A politician lying? Wow!


If every politician who was economical with the truth was hauled before the beak the judicial system would be in gainful employment till the end of the century. To waste time and money on this charade when real criminals seem to operate with impunity only emphasises what a card carrying w****r this Marcus Ball is and though I am no supporter of BJ I do hope he gets a decent settlement for defamation.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ May 29 2019, 08:02 PM) *
If every politician who was economical with the truth was hauled before the beak the judicial system would be in gainful employment till the end of the century. To waste time and money on this charade when real criminals seem to operate with impunity only emphasises what a card carrying w****r this Marcus Ball is and though I am no supporter of BJ I do hope he gets a decent settlement for defamation.


It rather some up the "loon" element of the #fbpe remain camp I am afraid. It would be interesting to analyse the data on the profiles (wealth, location and ethnicity) of these "dubious" types that funded this farce.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 29 2019, 08:13 PM) *
It rather some up the "loon" element of the #fbpe remain camp I am afraid. It would be interesting to analyse the data on the profiles (wealth, location and ethnicity) of these "dubious" types that funded this farce.

Rich, London and White would be my guess...
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 29 2019, 07:46 PM) *
Be an interesting precedent. Blair, Campbell (WMD), and every remainer that said we would be in recession if we voted out would be fair game. #canofworms. Crowdfunding has already started to prosecute scaremongering remain MPs.

Thereís a difference between economic forecasts and blatant lies. And I agree about WMD. But what was your view on Iraq at the time? Did you on balance support the war?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 30 2019, 05:05 AM) *
Thereís a difference between economic forecasts and blatant lies. And I agree about WMD. But what was your view on Iraq at the time? Did you on balance support the war?

I wasn't marching in London but I have always opposed wars against dictatorships in the Middle East. I have been very consistent on that. It NEVER ends well. The only exception to that was the first Iraq war when Sadaam invaded Kuwait. That was justifiable, to a degree.
Biker1
Perhaps the Liberal Democrats should be prosecuted for blatant lying in their party name.
Democrats who want to overturn a democratic vote?
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 30 2019, 08:32 AM) *
Perhaps the Liberal Democrats should be prosecuted for blatant lying in their party name.
Democrats who want to overturn a democratic vote?

Or labour for pledging to "respect the result of the referendum"?
SirWilliam
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 30 2019, 08:49 AM) *
Or labour for pledging to "respect the result of the referendum"?


Or the Greens for not being a brassica? Oh sorry they are . laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 30 2019, 08:49 AM) *
Or labour for pledging to "respect the result of the referendum"?

It's the Tory right wing that have blocked Brexit - ERG.
newres
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 30 2019, 08:32 AM) *
Perhaps the Liberal Democrats should be prosecuted for blatant lying in their party name.
Democrats who want to overturn a democratic vote?

That's democracy.
Strafin
It's interesting that some people think politicians are allowed to lie, and that it would be daft to believe everything they say. Except when they were told that the referendum would stand no matter what.

Can't have it both ways.
newres
QUOTE (Strafin @ May 30 2019, 12:24 PM) *
It's interesting that some people think politicians are allowed to lie, and that it would be daft to believe everything they say. Except when they were told that the referendum would stand no matter what.

Can't have it both ways.

Nice observation.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (Strafin @ May 30 2019, 12:24 PM) *
It's interesting that some people think politicians are allowed to lie, and that it would be daft to believe everything they say. Except when they were told that the referendum would stand no matter what.

Can't have it both ways.


Two points,
If the ref had gone remain would you still be saying that.

If it's ok to attempt to prosecute a brexiteer, presumably it's ok to prosecute any mp who misleads.

If I had a time machine I would go back and do whatever was necessary to stop the referendum in the first place. It's divided the nation and its brought both Tory and labour parties to the brink of destruction.
James_Trinder
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 29 2019, 07:46 PM) *
Be an interesting precedent. Blair, Campbell (WMD), and every remainer that said we would be in recession if we voted out would be fair game. #canofworms. Crowdfunding has already started to prosecute scaremongering remain MPs.


No, it was said that we would be in recession if we left the EU. Voting out and actually leaving the EU are two very different things, as we are certainly now aware. Since we haven't actually left the EU yet, the validity of these statements is yet to be evaluated and therefore no prosecutions could or should be made on that basis.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 30 2019, 01:13 PM) *
No, it was said that we would be in recession if we left the EU. Voting out and actually leaving the EU are two very different things, as we are certainly now aware. Since we haven't actually left the EU yet, the validity of these statements is yet to be evaluated and therefore no prosecutions could or should be made on that basis.

Incorrect. Just voting to leave would cause a DIY recession, we were told.
James_Trinder
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 30 2019, 01:31 PM) *
Incorrect. Just voting to leave would cause a DIY recession, we were told.


If the following is the article/quote that you are referring to then I can see how you might have interpreted it that way but I certainly didn't. I'll leave everybody else to form their own opinions:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-r...rendum-36355564
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 30 2019, 01:40 PM) *
If the following is the article/quote that you are referring to then I can see how you might have interpreted it that way but I certainly didn't. I'll leave everybody else to form their own opinions:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-r...rendum-36355564

There's been so much talk about how the threat of brexit would cause businesses to relocate abroad, hasn't happened, people say "but we haven't left yet" to which I say "if your house catches fire you don't wait for it to burn to the ground before getting out do you". The economy is actually in a very good place at the moment.
newres
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 30 2019, 03:08 PM) *
There's been so much talk about how the threat of brexit would cause businesses to relocate abroad, hasn't happened, people say "but we haven't left yet" to which I say "if your house catches fire you don't wait for it to burn to the ground before getting out do you". The economy is actually in a very good place at the moment.

Businesses are moving or planning to. But your analogy is incorrect, moving now is really just an insurance policy. The real damage will come after when we lose inward investment jobs. Obviously losing frictionless trade will mean more job losses.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business...n-a8792296.html
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