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newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 25 2019, 04:27 PM) *
We don't want any of them now as PM. We are going all in. This is what you have done. You and your intolerance of anyone with a different opinion. #winteriscoming

https://mobile.twitter.com/OFOCBrexit/statu...966824265015296

Youíd vote for a man with less principles than Sinn Fein who refuse their salaries from a government they donít recognise.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 25 2019, 04:13 PM) *
Oh ok. Accept the result. If May hadnít gone, Mogg, Baker and Fatty Francois weíre after a rule change because they wouldnít wait a year!

Hammering the keyboard with your stubby little digits won't make your posts any more lucid I'm afraid.

"BREAKING NEWS"
"Newbury remoaner throws milkshake at computer screen!"

"That'll show the internet to be wrong" said newres today.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 25 2019, 04:44 PM) *
Youíd vote for a man with less principles than Sinn Fein who refuse their salaries from a government they donít recognise.

Or a man who openly supports the IRA? And every other terrorists group going. Tough choice.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 25 2019, 04:49 PM) *
Or a man who openly supports the IRA? And every other terrorists group going. Tough choice.

Corbyn, like May, is a busted flush. I'm still hoping Newres throws a milkshake over Donald. 🤣
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 25 2019, 06:17 AM) *
Both The Mail and The Express were reporting it as fake, so some ďecho chamberĒ and I hardly find like minded people on here. Itís Channel Gammon.

No, they weren't, couldn't you find an adult to read it to you?
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 25 2019, 04:56 PM) *
No, they weren't, couldn't you find an adult to read it to you?

One that names himself after a car? Prat.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 25 2019, 05:21 PM) *
One that names himself after a car? Prat.

Go buy a milkshake. 😂
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 25 2019, 05:43 PM) *
Go buy a milkshake. 😂

Wouldn't want to be working in BK tomorrow... 4chan (who I think are well out of order) are going to be "milkshaking" BK employees all day... oh how us "far right" people will laugh (not).
Turin Machine
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 25 2019, 05:48 PM) *
Wouldn't want to be working in BK tomorrow... 4chan (who I think are well out of order) are going to be "milkshaking" BK employees all day... oh how us "far right" people will laugh (not).

World's gone mad. Still, if the next war gets fought with double choc milkshake it won't be a bad thing. 😎
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 25 2019, 05:21 PM) *
One that names himself after a car? Prat.

Yeah, see them all the time in town. Specially liked the Turin machine x48, with extra spoiler. 🤣
Biker1
QUOTE (newres @ May 25 2019, 06:17 AM) *
I hardly find like minded people on here. It’s Channel Gammon.

Have a listen to Peter N/R
Listen to and learn from a superior intellect! tongue.gif
James_Trinder
QUOTE (newres @ May 25 2019, 03:20 PM) *
Yes, but youíre a dip in, dip out. The gammons are full on.


That is a good point. Strafin is also a voice of reason but we are both a bit part-time in terms of responding to the arguments of the pro-Brexit forum members.

In terms of current events I am a bit disappointed that Amber Rudd will not be standing for the Conservative party leadership. The whole leadership race appears to be made up of increasingly right wing candidates ranging from those that I am ambivalent about because I don't know enough about them to those that I absolutely loathe and detest.

In conclusion, things are looking pretty bleak at the moment and the best possible outcome in the foreseeable future is that the government will have dithered so much again by the end of October that they will be forced to revoke Article 50 in order to avoid the ineveitable economic ruin that would almost certainly ensue in the event of a no deal Brexit.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 26 2019, 11:35 AM) *
That is a good point. Strafin is also a voice of reason but we are both a bit part-time in terms of responding to the arguments of the pro-Brexit forum members.

In terms of current events I am a bit disappointed that Amber Rudd will not be standing for the Conservative party leadership. The whole leadership race appears to be made up of increasingly right wing candidates ranging from those that I am ambivalent about because I don't know enough about them to those that I absolutely loathe and detest.

In conclusion, things are looking pretty bleak at the moment and the best possible outcome in the foreseeable future is that the government will have dithered so much again by the end of October that they will be forced to revoke Article 50 in order to avoid the ineveitable economic ruin that would almost certainly ensue in the event of a no deal Brexit.


Let's just say we had another vote (which I think is troubling) and leave win again. Would you still expect article 50 to be revoked? If so, why bother with elections.
James_Trinder
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2019, 11:54 AM) *
Let's just say we had another vote (which I think is troubling) and leave win again. Would you still expect article 50 to be revoked? If so, why bother with elections.


If we had another referendum and the majority of voters still chose to leave then I would not expect article 50 to be revoked. This is because the outcome will have proved to be one that can be repeated rather than just a snapshot of opinion at a single point in time. If this were to happen then it would happen with the electorate having a proper understanding of the consequences of the outcome of the vote and it could no longer be dismissed as a fluke or as a vote where an educated decision was not possible due to a lack of information being made available at the time.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 26 2019, 01:17 PM) *
If we had another referendum and the majority of voters still chose to leave then I would not expect article 50 to be revoked. This is because the outcome will have proved to be one that can be repeated rather than just a snapshot of opinion at a single point in time. If this were to happen then it would happen with the electorate having a proper understanding of the consequences of the outcome of the vote and it could no longer be dismissed as a fluke or as a vote where an educated decision was not possible due to a lack of information being made available at the time.


Ok, so if you had another referendum and the answer was stay, let's say 52 to 48. Would you expect that to be the end of the matter for say 40 years?
Turin Machine
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 26 2019, 11:35 AM) *
In conclusion, things are looking pretty bleak at the moment and the best possible outcome in the foreseeable future is that the government will have dithered so much again by the end of October that they will be forced to revoke Article 50 in order to avoid the ineveitable economic ruin that would almost certainly ensue in the event of a no deal Brexit.

An economic stutter, at worst, and that would be as nowt to the financial chaos and ruination wrought on the nation by a Marxist government.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 26 2019, 09:49 AM) *
Have a listen to Peter N/R
Listen to and learn from a superior intellect! tongue.gif

Very good, very watchable.
newres
If anyone watches the local housing market, weíre at the start of a meltdown. Have a look at all the reduced prices on Rightmove. The local estate agents are panicking.
newres
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 26 2019, 11:35 AM) *
That is a good point. Strafin is also a voice of reason but we are both a bit part-time in terms of responding to the arguments of the pro-Brexit forum members.

In terms of current events I am a bit disappointed that Amber Rudd will not be standing for the Conservative party leadership. The whole leadership race appears to be made up of increasingly right wing candidates ranging from those that I am ambivalent about because I don't know enough about them to those that I absolutely loathe and detest.

In conclusion, things are looking pretty bleak at the moment and the best possible outcome in the foreseeable future is that the government will have dithered so much again by the end of October that they will be forced to revoke Article 50 in order to avoid the ineveitable economic ruin that would almost certainly ensue in the event of a no deal Brexit.

I think if Johnson or any no deal leader gets elected, they will lose a vote of confidence very quickly. At least one of those standing for leader has said he wonít see be in a BJ. cabinet. No deal would be disastrous and only rabid nationalists or the stupid would desire it.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2019, 04:33 PM) *
I think if Johnson or any no deal leader gets elected, they will lose a vote of confidence very quickly. At least one of those standing for leader has said he wonít see be in a BJ. cabinet. No deal would be disastrous and only rabid nationalists or the stupid would desire it.

Yep. I'm rabid. A xenophobe. A racist. Thick. Stupid. You keep it up...call everyone you disagree with a Nazi and see what happens... waits for election results tonight.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2019, 04:41 PM) *
Yep. I'm rabid. A xenophobe. A racist. Thick. Stupid. You keep it up...call everyone you disagree with a Nazi and see what happens... waits for election results tonight.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Well as there is no economic benefit and all the evidence is that itíll be disastrous give me one intelligent reason to leave?

TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2019, 05:09 PM) *
Well as there is no economic benefit and all the evidence is that itíll be disastrous give me one intelligent reason to leave?

Because people chose to? Happy to have a 2nd referendum fella, as long as it written in law that we hold an in / out one every 4 years? Agree?? Oh and 51% wins I'm sure you would want a "threshold" of 70 percent or so to ensure you ignore the will of the people for ever. Happened elsewhere in the EU. It's what they do. #mafia
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2019, 05:21 PM) *
Because people chose to? Happy to have a 2nd referendum fella, as long as it written in law that we hold an in / out one every 4 years? Agree?? Oh and 51% wins I'm sure you would want a "threshold" of 70 percent or so to ensure you ignore the will of the people for ever. Happened elsewhere in the EU. It's what they do. #mafia

People chose to based upon a great deal. What was promised canít be delivered and thatís why we need another vote. The reason we havenít left letís not forget is because of leavers voting down the WA.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2019, 05:30 PM) *
People chose to based upon a great deal. What was promised canít be delivered and thatís why we need another vote. The reason we havenít left letís not forget is because of leavers voting down the WA.

How do you phrase the question?
What is the question?
Does 51 percent win?
When will be the next vote?
How long will it take?
newres
Interesting theory.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/our-next...rexit-m86qc2ksm
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2019, 05:30 PM) *
People chose to based upon a great deal. What was promised canít be delivered and thatís why we need another vote. The reason we havenít left letís not forget is because of leavers voting down the WA.

Wrong, again. Tell me Mr B Liar, where did it mention 'getting a great deal' on the ballot card? huh? The question was, stay, or go. That's it, clear and simple.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2019, 05:38 PM) *
How do you phrase the question?
What is the question?
Does 51 percent win?
When will be the next vote?
How long will it take?

Unless we go to Europe AGAIN, and ask for an extension AGAIN, times already run out.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 26 2019, 06:14 PM) *
Unless we go to Europe AGAIN, and ask for an extension AGAIN, times already run out.

Quite agree fella.. that's why they just want to revoke it without ANY vote... I personally will be very unhappy If that happens. #farageiscoming
Turin Machine
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2019, 06:18 PM) *
Quite agree fella.. that's why they just want to revoke it without ANY vote... I personally will be very unhappy If that happens. #farageiscoming

Figure I 'heared' was 27%, we shall see.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 26 2019, 06:22 PM) *
Figure I 'heared' was 27%, we shall see.

After 7 weeks since concept that would still be amazing. Though most newres types will say it's a disaster (despite polling first) 🤣🤣
Turin Machine
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2019, 06:33 PM) *
After 7 weeks since concept that would still be amazing. Though most newres types will say it's a disaster (despite polling first) ����

It's like 'Adventures in Brexitland', yay! Seriously though, it's going to be interesting, revoke and piss off 50% of the electorate? Or go 'no deal' and boost sales for burger king?
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 26 2019, 06:14 PM) *
Unless we go to Europe AGAIN, and ask for an extension AGAIN, times already run out.

If whoever wins the Tory election tries to leave with no deal, the government will fall through a vote of no confidence which will get us an automatic extension.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2019, 06:33 PM) *
After 7 weeks since concept that would still be amazing. Though most newres types will say it's a disaster (despite polling first) 🤣🤣

It is amazing but heíll never win a general election and we know heís popular among a certain type.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2019, 07:16 PM) *
If whoever wins the Tory election tries to leave with no deal, the government will fall through a vote of no confidence which will get us an automatic extension.

Try 😂 to prove that with some data. Not remainer hopes n dreams, data!
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2019, 07:17 PM) *
It is amazing but heíll never win a general election and we know heís popular among a certain type.

As is Corbyn with a certain "type".
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2019, 08:03 PM) *
As is Corbyn with a certain "type".

Whoís that then. I donít like him and have never voted for him although Iíve voted Labour in the past.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2019, 08:56 PM) *
Whoís that then. I donít like him and have never voted for him although Iíve voted Labour in the past.

I'm just commenting on your bigoted language. You don't even know your doing it... #sad
James_Trinder
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2019, 01:23 PM) *
Ok, so if you had another referendum and the answer was stay, let's say 52 to 48. Would you expect that to be the end of the matter for say 40 years?


The way that I would run the referendum, you would need at least 60% of the votes cast in order for any change to the status quo to be made. This would apply to any future referendum, whether it be on Brexit or Scottish independence or any other matter. The emphasis should not be about proving why the current state of affairs is a good thing but rather why the alternative is better. This approach is commonly used in statistics in the area of hypothesis testing. So to answer your question, I would expect the outcome that you have described to be the end of the matter for 40 years, as it was after the previous referendum to join the Common Market.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 27 2019, 12:34 AM) *
The way that I would run the referendum, you would need at least 60% of the votes cast in order for any change to the status quo to be made. This would apply to any future referendum, whether it be on Brexit or Scottish independence or any other matter. The emphasis should not be about proving why the current state of affairs is a good thing but rather why the alternative is better. This approach is commonly used in statistics in the area of hypothesis testing. So to answer your question, I would expect the outcome that you have described to be the end of the matter for 40 years, as it was after the previous referendum to join the Common Market.

So in summary, you want to remove any chance of remain losing again. Why not make it 80 percent? 😂😂
Turin Machine
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 27 2019, 05:29 AM) *
So in summary, you want to remove any chance of remain losing again. Why not make it 80 percent? 😂😂

Or 100%, or just give poll cards to remainers? You know, just to make it balanced.
Turin Machine
I wonder, is it possible both labour and conservative could get hammered in a ge?
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 27 2019, 07:19 AM) *
I wonder, is it possible both labour and conservative could get hammered in a ge?

If there was a GE tomorrow both would be destroyed...
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 27 2019, 08:57 AM) *
If there was a GE tomorrow both would be destroyed...

If you wish to make such claims, if there were a referendum tomorrow it would be 60:40 to remain.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 27 2019, 08:57 AM) *
If there was a GE tomorrow both would be destroyed...

Pretty convincing statement last night. From a party that's what? Six weeks old? Labour even came second in Islington!
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 27 2019, 12:03 PM) *
Pretty convincing statement last night. From a party that's what? Six weeks old? Labour even came second in Islington!

But do you not think that as they are a single issue party that they will have a ceiling in terms of appeal? They have probably reached it because when the GE comes, there will be some that return to the Tories as they shift to the right. I do think any that moved from Labour will stay with them as the most likely outcome will be that Labour will firm up a Remain/confirmatory vote position.

TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 27 2019, 03:31 PM) *
But do you not think that as they are a single issue party that they will have a ceiling in terms of appeal? They have probably reached it because when the GE comes, there will be some that return to the Tories as they shift to the right. I do think any that moved from Labour will stay with them as the most likely outcome will be that Labour will firm up a Remain/confirmatory vote position.

I fully expect the Tories to go for a no deal and Farage will then join them. That would mean a 40 percent share of the vote at a GE. The other parties would be screwed given our voting system.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 27 2019, 04:13 PM) *
I fully expect the Tories to go for a no deal and Farage will then join them. That would mean a 40 percent share of the vote at a GE. The other parties would be screwed given our voting system.

That would split the Tory party. Donít forget West Berks is Conservative AND remain. The result of that here would be a Lib Dem MP.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ May 27 2019, 04:30 PM) *
That would split the Tory party. Donít forget West Berks is Conservative AND remain. The result of that here would be a Lib Dem MP.

That is your opinion. Mine is different. I do thing the Lib Dems could get in here as we have a pro EU MP that would put any leaver off. Why would Benyon want to leave the gravy train and CAP.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail....d-cover-up.html
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 27 2019, 04:47 PM) *
That is your opinion. Mine is different. I do thing the Lib Dems could get in here as we have a pro EU MP that would put any leaver off. Why would Benyon want to leave the gravy train and CAP.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail....d-cover-up.html

Heís no different to any other Tory and Iím not a fan. Iím just pointing out facts.

newres
And talking of gravy trains, will all the Brexit MEPs refuse their salaries? That would be the principled thing to do.
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