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x2lls
How do we deal with this?

Are we all guilty now?

Is the Stasi popping back in?


@syptweet (South Yorkshire Police)

Just look at the response to them.

https://twitter.com/syptweet/status/1039087365128708096

SirWilliam
QUOTE (x2lls @ Sep 10 2018, 07:21 PM) *
How do we deal with this?

Are we all guilty now?

Is the Stasi popping back in?


@syptweet (South Yorkshire Police)

Just look at the response to them.

https://twitter.com/syptweet/status/1039087365128708096


Good to note that the good people of south yorkshire have nothing but praise for their local plod........or am I reading between the lines. angry.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 10 2018, 08:04 PM) *
Good to note that the good people of south yorkshire have nothing but praise for their local plod........or am I reading between the lines. angry.gif

Im just surprised some of the forum members have not had 5am wake up calls from plod after newres reported them! What is a hate crime? I think it is one that specifically threatens physical violence. Otherwise its just words. If people threaten to kill or maim that is a crime. If people disagree on immigration policy or the way a government is acting that is opinion. Its quite clear to me and criticising whites, blacks, asians, lbgtq+, muslims, christians, atheists, hindus, fatties, thinnies, gingers etc is not hate. Its opinion. It may be very wrong but its just opinion.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 10 2018, 09:09 PM) *
Im just surprised some of the forum members have not had 5am wake up calls from plod after newres reported them! What is a hate crime? I think it is one that specifically threatens physical violence. Otherwise its just words. If people threaten to kill or maim that is a crime. If people disagree on immigration policy or the way a government is acting that is opinion. Its quite clear to me and criticising whites, blacks, asians, lbgtq+, muslims, christians, atheists, hindus, fatties, thinnies, gingers etc is not hate. Its opinion. It may be very wrong but its just opinion.

In general I agree, but inciting hate should be in there.
Strafin
Inciting hate and hate crimes should be investigated and treated the same as every other crime that the police have to investigate. Everyone who experiences a crime feels that they have been violated in some way and it is not down to anyone other than the law makers, and the courts for enforcement, to determine what should and shouldn't be pursued.

Having an opinion about gingers probably isnt a hate crime, Following one home and verbally abusing them will be.
newres
QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 11 2018, 02:42 PM) *
Inciting hate and hate crimes should be investigated and treated the same as every other crime that the police have to investigate. Everyone who experiences a crime feels that they have been violated in some way and it is not down to anyone other than the law makers, and the courts for enforcement, to determine what should and shouldn't be pursued.

Having an opinion about gingers probably isnt a hate crime, Following one home and verbally abusing them will be.

Yes, but the people on here spouting their unpleasant views aren't hate crimes. There is the distinction.
Strafin
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 11 2018, 05:32 PM) *
Yes, but the people on here spouting their unpleasant views aren't hate crimes. There is the distinction.

Well, they could be construed as hate crimes if they go far enough. The fact that this forum is used almost exclusively by about a dozen of us means that it will probably never be reported though!
SirWilliam
On a similar theme, if on a slight tangent, I put the television on at midday and was confronted by 4 members of the opposite sex, (I believe it is called "Loose Women" but don't quote me on that), who were openly discussing the latest shenanigans of the honourable member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip. One of the contributors openly stated that " what sort of woman would entertain such a blonde headed lump of lard as a lover?" Now imagine the uproar had 4 men passed a similar derogatory comment on a female MP, (or other).
I am all for equality of sex,race,religion etc but it does seem very one sided. angry.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 11 2018, 06:56 PM) *
On a similar theme, if on a slight tangent, I put the television on at midday and was confronted by 4 members of the opposite sex, (I believe it is called "Loose Women" but don't quote me on that), who were openly discussing the latest shenanigans of the honourable member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip. One of the contributors openly stated that " what sort of woman would entertain such a blonde headed lump of lard as a lover?" Now imagine the uproar had 4 men passed a similar derogatory comment on a female MP, (or other).
I am all for equality of sex,race,religion etc but it does seem very one sided. angry.gif

Easy for them to say that as they know he wouldn't look twice at them. Over the hill old hags who are actually quite unpleasant people.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 11 2018, 06:56 PM) *
On a similar theme, if on a slight tangent, I put the television on at midday and was confronted by 4 members of the opposite sex, (I believe it is called "Loose Women" but don't quote me on that), who were openly discussing the latest shenanigans of the honourable member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip. One of the contributors openly stated that " what sort of woman would entertain such a blonde headed lump of lard as a lover?" Now imagine the uproar had 4 men passed a similar derogatory comment on a female MP, (or other).
I am all for equality of sex,race,religion etc but it does seem very one sided. angry.gif

Like all 'special interest groups' (pick any) they don't want equality, they want a special relationship with equality, a relationship that puts all the cards in their hands.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 11 2018, 07:06 PM) *
Easy for them to say that as they know he wouldn't look twice at them. Over the hill old hags who are actually quite unpleasant people.


I agree that there are probably better human beings to associate with, but why are they given airtime when television companies are supposedly the bastion of diversity?
x2lls
QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 11 2018, 06:00 PM) *
Well, they could be construed as hate crimes if they go far enough. The fact that this forum is used almost exclusively by about a dozen of us means that it will probably never be reported though!



Well they didn't did they! Anyway, who decides?

Yet you go on to say about reporting?

x2lls
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 11 2018, 05:32 PM) *
Yes, but the people on here spouting their unpleasant views aren't hate crimes. There is the distinction.



Your views are also unpleasant. We don't have a monopoly.
x2lls
QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 11 2018, 02:42 PM) *
Inciting hate and hate crimes should be investigated and treated the same as every other crime that the police have to investigate. Everyone who experiences a crime feels that they have been violated in some way and it is not down to anyone other than the law makers, and the courts for enforcement, to determine what should and shouldn't be pursued.

Having an opinion about gingers probably isnt a hate crime, Following one home and verbally abusing them will be.



FFS,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZXGI7R1-gA

Mealy mouthed muppet has his priorities far off kilter.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (x2lls @ Sep 11 2018, 09:20 PM) *
FFS,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZXGI7R1-gA

Mealy mouthed muppet has his priorities far off kilter.


Beggars belief. angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 11 2018, 08:51 PM) *
I agree that there are probably better human beings to associate with, but why are they given airtime when television companies are supposedly the bastion of diversity?

Exactly. I'm all for diversity. Take my industry. I reckon its 95% men. Why is that? Do women really have no interest in Systems work? I don't think so. They just need a chance. It's actually still a quite sexist attitude. And thats a sleight on my area of work. As for the "loose women"... Its says it on the tin. No talent.. Give me a young lady data scientist and I'd show her a good time (in work 😇).
newres
QUOTE (x2lls @ Sep 11 2018, 09:09 PM) *
Your views are also unpleasant. We don't have a monopoly.

How is not hating people because of their religion or colour unpleasant?
Biker1
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 12 2018, 06:35 AM) *
How is not hating people because of their religion or colour unpleasant?

You have insulted and demeaned many on here many times.
Strafin
QUOTE (x2lls @ Sep 11 2018, 09:06 PM) *
Well they didn't did they! Anyway, who decides?

Yet you go on to say about reporting?

The police decide if they will pursue an enquiry and the CPS then decide whether or not to prosecute. The thing is hate crimes are an issue, they do happen and they do affect people. Opinions are one thing, as is reasoned debate, but there are plenty of examples of when online bullying has led to suicides and murders so we shouldn't be so flippant about it just because our experiences aren't that bad.

The comment about reporting is just that this is not really a proper forum with members from all backgrounds. It's a dozen people who mostly agree with each other so even if someone was really out of order it's unlikely to be reported as a hate crime.
newres
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 12 2018, 09:10 AM) *
You have insulted and demeaned many on here many times.


For their prejudice. Yes. And?
x2lls
QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 12 2018, 09:40 AM) *
The police decide if they will pursue an inquiry and the CPS then decide whether or not to prosecute. The thing is hate crimes are an issue, they do happen and they do affect people. Opinions are one thing, as is reasoned debate, but there are plenty of examples of when online bullying has led to suicides and murders so we shouldn't be so flippant about it just because our experiences aren't that bad.

The comment about reporting is just that this is not really a proper forum with members from all backgrounds. It's a dozen people who mostly agree with each other so even if someone was really out of order it's unlikely to be reported as a hate crime.



Thank your mum for me for being the provider/starter of a very successful frog colony. It is absolutely thriving, with our care.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (x2lls @ Sep 12 2018, 07:05 PM) *
Thank your mum for me for being the provider/starter of a very successful frog colony. It is absolutely thriving, with our care.

Abusing peoples kids in the street because of their fathers politics? Thats a hate crime.
x2lls
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 12 2018, 06:35 AM) *
How is not hating people because of their religion or colour unpleasant?



Boldy bit BS.

That's not my perspective. The premise of your argument is plip plops, HUGE smelly ones at that.

THIS is my message. Another example of Rotherham.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpOyhSx0cEQ


You have accused me many times of racism based on colour and religion. Shame on you.

I have blogs showing my great friendship with Sikh Hindu etc. But why are you dragging me into this BS? FFS, I work with a muslim woman who totally agrees with my perspective as a westerner. She has escaped the rape culture of her, sadly, homeland.

But hey,

Why should I justify myself to you as if I have to answer to you?

I didn't, I gave you what I have, experience.
x2lls
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 12 2018, 09:47 PM) *
Abusing peoples kids in the street because of their fathers politics? Thats a hate crime.


Edit,

Having reviewed my post , I've removed the laugh.gif icon as it doesn't fit the sentiment. I had no intention of taking the p:$$ out of TDH. I thank him for his views on here. I would add Strafin too.

Only Strafin would know to what I refer.

Nowt to do with JR-M TDH, apologies.

Now you mention him, I've made my thoughts VERY clear in FB and Twitter land. (To his credit I might add)
newres
QUOTE (x2lls @ Sep 12 2018, 10:01 PM) *
Boldy bit BS.

That's not my perspective. The premise of your argument is plip plops, HUGE smelly ones at that.

THIS is my message. Another example of Rotherham.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpOyhSx0cEQ


You have accused me many times of racism based on colour and religion. Shame on you.

I have blogs showing my great friendship with Sikh Hindu etc. But why are you dragging me into this BS? FFS, I work with a muslim woman who totally agrees with my perspective as a westerner. She has escaped the rape culture of her, sadly, homeland.

But hey,

Why should I justify myself to you as if I have to answer to you?

I didn't, I gave you what I have, experience.

Any Muslims that work with you must be certifiable if they know you share Tommy Robinson videos. Either that or you’re a liar. I suspect the latter.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 12 2018, 09:47 PM) *
Abusing peoples kids in the street because of their fathers politics? Thats a hate crime.

Snowflake. They weren’t abusing the kids at all. I think it’s unacceptable but they weren’t abused and JRM has said it didn’t bother him.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 13 2018, 05:58 AM) *
Snowflake. They weren’t abusing the kids at all. I think it’s unacceptable but they weren’t abused and JRM has said it didn’t bother him.

Poor attempt at trolling old boy. I expect better from you. Lazy and stereotypical post.
Biker1
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 12 2018, 11:30 AM) *
For their prejudice. Yes. And?

Well if I have to spell it out, you too are capable of being unpleasant on here.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 13 2018, 06:21 AM) *
Poor attempt at trolling old boy. I expect better from you. Lazy and stereotypical post.

The irony of you getting offended over something that didn't bother the recipient of the "abuse".
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 13 2018, 05:55 AM) *
Any Muslims that work with you must be certifiable if they know you share Tommy Robinson videos. Either that or you’re a liar. I suspect the latter.


Does that statement not perpetuate the polarisation? The inference that any female muslim who does not adhere to their "chosen" path is somehow mentally challenged is as absurd as suggesting that anyone who watches a Tommy Robinson video is a neo-nazi. Remember the right only exists through fear generated by events, not as a default position. Only when everyone lives by the law of the Country will equality be the norm, but that is a long way off.
newres
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 13 2018, 01:54 PM) *
Does that statement not perpetuate the polarisation? The inference that any female muslim who does not adhere to their "chosen" path is somehow mentally challenged is as absurd as suggesting that anyone who watches a Tommy Robinson video is a neo-nazi. Remember the right only exists through fear generated by events, not as a default position. Only when everyone lives by the law of the Country will equality be the norm, but that is a long way off.

That's not what I wrote.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 13 2018, 10:12 AM) *
The irony of you getting offended over something that didn't bother the recipient of the "abuse".

Spoken to the kids have you? Fool.
Its plain wrong.
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 13 2018, 07:04 PM) *
Spoken to the kids have you? Fool.
Its plain wrong.

They weren’t abused though were they? The bedroom tax was abuse. Cutting disability benefits is abuse. Slashing environmental and safety standards is abuse. Denying a rape victim the right to a termination is abuse.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 13 2018, 07:35 PM) *
They weren’t abused though were they? The bedroom tax was abuse. Cutting disability benefits is abuse. Slashing environmental and safety standards is abuse. Denying a rape victim the right to a termination is abuse.

And JRM is responsible for all that? 😂
Does that mean Corbyn is responsible for the deaths of millions? After all he waves his little red mao book about with McDonnell.
You really are an extremist. I'd say you were actually dangerous.
x2lls
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 13 2018, 05:55 AM) *
Any Muslims that work with you must be certifiable if they know you share Tommy Robinson videos. Either that or you’re a liar. I suspect the latter.



A lot are already certifiable without any help from me. After all, aren't the authorities always telling us the lone wolf had mental issues?
x2lls
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 13 2018, 10:12 AM) *
The irony of you getting offended over something that didn't bother the recipient of the "abuse".



That would have been the public's view. In private. I imagine it would be a totally different attitude.
x2lls
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 13 2018, 05:58 AM) *
Snowflake. They weren’t abusing the kids at all. I think it’s unacceptable but they weren’t abused and JRM has said it didn’t bother him.



This says different.

Click to view attachment

The clue is in "assailed my children"
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (x2lls @ Sep 13 2018, 10:35 PM) *
This says different.

Click to view attachment

The clue is in "assailed my children"


Newres won't let the truth get in the way of his agenda. At least his ilk have no chance of ever governing the Country. I expect he has a picture of Jeremy on his bedroom ceiling.😂
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 13 2018, 11:01 PM) *
Newres won't let the truth get in the way of his agenda. At least his ilk have no chance of ever governing the Country. I expect he has a picture of Jeremy on his bedroom ceiling.😂

The clue that I don’t might be in the fact that I don’t vote Labour and I’d like to see him replaced.
Biker1
QUOTE (newres @ Sep 13 2018, 07:35 PM) *
The bedroom tax was abuse.

No such thing as "road tax" ....no such thing as "bedroom tax".
Neither you nor I pay tax on bedrooms.
Just a pedantic correction on a little anomaly! tongue.gif
Strafin
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 14 2018, 09:15 AM) *
No such thing as "road tax" ....no such thing as "bedroom tax".
Neither you nor I pay tax on bedrooms.
Just a pedantic correction on a little anomaly! tongue.gif

Touchee!
Andy Capp
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 14 2018, 09:15 AM) *
No such thing as "road tax" ....no such thing as "bedroom tax".
Neither you nor I pay tax on bedrooms.
Just a pedantic correction on a little anomaly! tongue.gif

Yes they do exist in the same way as my hoover is a Dyson.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 14 2018, 10:20 PM) *
Yes they do exist in the same way as my hoover is a Dyson.

Your Dyson is actually a vacuum cleaner.
A Hoover is also a vacuum cleaner.
I prefer a pretty Eastern European maid in high heels to do the cleaning. 😂
Guess I'll have to buy a Dyson after Brexit. No wonder Mr Dyson is so pro brexit!!!
Biker1
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 14 2018, 10:29 PM) *
Your Dyson is actually a vacuum cleaner.
A Hoover is also a vacuum cleaner.
I prefer a pretty Eastern European maid in high heels to do the cleaning. ��
Guess I'll have to buy a Dyson after Brexit. No wonder Mr Dyson is so pro brexit!!!

In my experience Dyson products, by that I mean their vacuum cleaners, I have never had any other, are over hyped crap!
I am just binning my just over 2 year old cordless as t has packed in and repairs are ridiculously expensive.
My other corded Dyson was also a heap of rubbish giving up the ghost after just exceeding the 2 years again.
Apple are another product which sells by name and not the quality of it's product.
Stopped using iphones after several gave up on me.
Not just me either. many of my family have had similar issues with both over-marketed brand names.

......................Oh, sorry for drifting well off topic! rolleyes.gif
Andy Capp
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Sep 14 2018, 10:29 PM) *
Your Dyson is actually a vacuum cleaner.
A Hoover is also a vacuum cleaner.
I prefer a pretty Eastern European maid in high heels to do the cleaning. 😂
Guess I'll have to buy a Dyson after Brexit. No wonder Mr Dyson is so pro brexit!!!

And the definition of hoover is vacuume cleaner irrespective of manufacturer. And we all know that.
Andy Capp
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 15 2018, 09:42 AM) *
In my experience Dyson products, by that I mean their vacuum cleaners, I have never had any other, are over hyped crap!
I am just binning my just over 2 year old cordless as t has packed in and repairs are ridiculously expensive.
My other corded Dyson was also a heap of rubbish giving up the ghost after just exceeding the 2 years again.
Apple are another product which sells by name and not the quality of it's product.
Stopped using iphones after several gave up on me.
Not just me either. many of my family have had similar issues with both over-marketed brand.

Worn out sucking up all the rubbish you spout! tongue.gif

We have had a Dyson for years and is still going; I have had two phones (iPhones) in the last 6 years and only upgraded because I wanted thumb recognition.
Biker1
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 15 2018, 10:35 AM) *
Worn out sucking up all the rubbish you spout! tongue.gif

Wow, well on form this morning aren't we.
Just wondered...........is there ever anyone on here you ever agree with or do you just enjoy the argument for argument's sake?
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 15 2018, 10:35 AM) *
We have had a Dyson for years and is still going; I have had two phones (iPhones) in the last 6 years and only upgraded because I wanted thumb recognition.

Oh well one can only go by experience.
Andy Capp
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 15 2018, 11:02 AM) *
Wow, well on form this morning aren't we.
Just wondered...........is there ever anyone on here you ever agree with or do you just enjoy the argument for argument's sake?

There’s few on here I agree with, but if I remember correctly, you were first to contradict my ‘common sence’ point with a pedantic post.

I don’t prejudge; I take arguments on their perceived merit.
Andy Capp
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 15 2018, 11:02 AM) *
Wow, well on form this morning aren't we.
Just wondered...........is there ever anyone on here you ever agree with or do you just enjoy the argument for argument's sake?

Oh well one can only go by experience.

That’s what people tend to do, including myself, but it is a logical fallicy.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 15 2018, 10:31 AM) *
And the definition of hoover is vacuume cleaner irrespective of manufacturer. And we all know that.

Your just jealous of this gorgeous girl doing my cleaning at the moment..😂
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