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Carshot
If drivers can't see the multiple lights, signs and warnings regarding the bollards how can we be sure they will see barriers? It could result in smashed car roof and windscreens instead
Strafin
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/24...r-bollards.html

Maybe read the story and get the facts first!

It says that the bollards have not been working properly and in some instances have been operated manually. On one occasion they had been returned to their up position, manually, whilst a vehicle was going through.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (Strafin @ May 2 2018, 09:34 AM) *
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/24...r-bollards.html

Maybe read the story and get the facts first!

It says that the bollards have not been working properly and in some instances have been operated manually. On one occasion they had been returned to their up position, manually, whilst a vehicle was going through.

Doesn't say that at all! What it says is;
"The driver was heading to the gym and said that the security operator had manually lowered the bollards after they had become stuck.

But, as the driver followed the car in front over the bollard, it rose, writing off the vehicle and leaving her with abdominal bruising, whiplash, concussion and chest pain.

She said: “I assumed he was going to let the traffic through. Unfortunately it came up underneath and ripped out the bottom of the car."

He lowered them manually, they then rose automatically as they are supposed to, she 'assumed' it was all right to follow, it wasn't.

Try reading the article!
Strafin
I don't see how what you are saying relates?

The OP implies that all the signs and warning weren't seen. That isn't the case.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (Strafin @ May 2 2018, 09:34 AM) *
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/24...r-bollards.html

Maybe read the story and get the facts first!

He did, you didn't

It says that the bollards have not been working properly and in some instances have been operated manually. On one occasion they had been returned to their up position, manually, whilst a vehicle was going through.

No it doesn't.

Berkshirelad
I fail to see why a private road (for the use of the racecourse and gym) should have priority over traffic on Hambridge Road - that's exactly what happens on the roundabout.

If it is a public road, then it should be open to the public.
On the edge
QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ May 2 2018, 03:03 PM) *
I fail to see why a private road (for the use of the racecourse and gym) should have priority over traffic on Hambridge Road - that's exactly what happens on the roundabout.

If it is a public road, then it should be open to the public.


What's the precident for that? Parkway bridge is a public road closed to the public. Worse, Church Road, Shaw, which the residents actually fought (1909) a High Court action to keep open is also closed to the public. Then there is Jack Street; which was given away and private security tells you what to do. The Council decides what's public or not these days.
spartacus
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 2 2018, 11:09 AM) *
"......But, as the driver followed the car in front over the bollard, it rose, writing off the vehicle and leaving her with abdominal bruising, whiplash, concussion and chest pain.

Selective reporting. It would have been helpful if the NWN included a wide angle shot of the damaged car to include the VERY large sign in the background that clearly says "NO TAILGATING"
spartacus
QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ May 2 2018, 03:03 PM) *
I fail to see why a private road (for the use of the racecourse and gym) should have priority over traffic on Hambridge Road - that's exactly what happens on the roundabout.

If it is a public road, then it should be open to the public.
The residents in there didn't buy properties with price tags starting at £400k only for them to have a main route runñing past the front door. As for a private road having a priority on a roundabout over Joe Public then it's fairly routine. Calleva Business Park onto the A340 for one... plenty of examples nationally as well
spartacus
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 2 2018, 06:35 PM) *
What's the precident for that? Parkway bridge is a public road closed to the public. Worse, Church Road, Shaw, which the residents actually fought (1909) a High Court action to keep open is also closed to the public. Then there is Jack Street; which was given away and private security tells you what to do. The Council decides what's public or not these days.
Park Way bridge is open to the public if you're on a bike, on foot, or sat in the back of a bus or taxi. You could say the Severn Bridge is 'closed to the public' unless you happen to have £5.60. Church Road is a bus gate and unless it was there you'd have a lot of cars driving past the front entrance for Trinity School
On the edge
QUOTE (spartacus @ May 2 2018, 09:03 PM) *
Park Way bridge is open to the public if you're on a bike, on foot, or sat in the back of a bus or taxi. You could say the Severn Bridge is 'closed to the public' unless you happen to have £5.60. Church Road is a bus gate and unless it was there you'd have a lot of cars driving past the front entrance for Trinity School

You mean like most other schools in the country. What a pity those who planned the ne building didn't realise there was a road outside.
Berkshirelad
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 3 2018, 05:46 PM) *
You mean like most other schools in the country. What a pity those who planned the ne building didn't realise there was a road outside.


Er, we did. We were forced to move the main entrance to the school by WBC demanding that we give up Shaw House as part of the school buildings/grounds.

I was a governor at the opening of Trinity. The suggestion was from the Council that a 'sump breaker' be installed and the pass-through restricted to buses. This was easier and quicker than trying to implement a road closure order.

Church Road remains a public Right-of-Way; just restricted for motorised traffic.
On the edge
QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ May 3 2018, 09:55 PM) *
Er, we did. We were forced to move the main entrance to the school by WBC demanding that we give up Shaw House as part of the school buildings/grounds.

I was a governor at the opening of Trinity. The suggestion was from the Council that a 'sump breaker' be installed and the pass-through restricted to buses. This was easier and quicker than trying to implement a road closure order.

Church Road remains a public Right-of-Way; just restricted for motorised traffic.


That doesn't explain why the road had to be closed. After all, several primary schools in the vicinity have main entrances on even busier roads. Then there is Park House! Logic isn't exactly WBCs strongest suit!
spartacus
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 3 2018, 10:19 PM) *
That doesn't explain why the road had to be closed. After all, several primary schools in the vicinity have main entrances on even busier roads. Then there is Park House! Logic isn't exactly WBCs strongest suit!

Maybe it was because there would be so many kids walking back and forth to the astroturf pitches (Hockey and football?) opposite the school main entrance throughout the day that it was safer just to restrict traffic rather than continue to allow passing traffic. Not many schools have their playing fields separated from the 'school grounds' with a road running through the middle so when the opportunity was there to close it off and make a safer environment it was taken.
Streetview

Access to the Park House sports fields is to the rear of the school isn't it? Same with St Barts and Kennet Schools
newres
QUOTE (spartacus @ May 8 2018, 09:51 PM) *
Maybe it was because there would be so many kids walking back and forth to the astroturf pitches (Hockey and football?) opposite the school main entrance throughout the day that it was safer just to restrict traffic rather than continue to allow passing traffic. Not many schools have their playing fields separated from the 'school grounds' with a road running through the middle so when the opportunity was there to close it off and make a safer environment it was taken.
Streetview

Access to the Park House sports fields is to the rear of the school isn't it? Same with St Barts and Kennet Schools

No, St Barts’ playing fields are both on the other side of Fifth Rd.
spartacus
QUOTE (newres @ May 9 2018, 06:21 AM) *
No, St Barts’ playing fields are both on the other side of Fifth Rd.

Yes, unrealistic to close off that road given the number of residents that would have complained about access to the town being difficult, but Church Road didn't have those resident numbers nor would it create the same problems about access to anywhere in particular
Berkshirelad
QUOTE (spartacus @ May 8 2018, 09:51 PM) *
Maybe it was because there would be so many kids walking back and forth to the astroturf pitches (Hockey and football?) opposite the school main entrance throughout the day that it was safer just to restrict traffic rather than continue to allow passing traffic. Not many schools have their playing fields separated from the 'school grounds' with a road running through the middle so when the opportunity was there to close it off and make a safer environment it was taken.
Streetview

Access to the Park House sports fields is to the rear of the school isn't it? Same with St Barts and Kennet Schools


Access to/from the astroturf is across the road at a point where it is still open to all traffic (albeit the car park access). Trinity's playing fields are the same as those of Shaw House School and on the other side of Love Lane to the north of the school. The sports hall had not even been considered when WBDC went ahead with the road restrictions
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