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SirWilliam
As one who trundles along the canal towpath at regular intervals, monitoring the accumulating rubbish is second nature so witnessing the mass clean up a few weeks back, which was well publicised, one would imagine that it would stay reasonably clean for a good period of time. But oh no, it's as bad as before the clean up so what is wrong with people? Safe to assume it is "local" rubbish so why not dispose of it in the nearest bin? All this furore over supermarkets using less plastic is pointless if the great unwashed are still going to dump their rubbish. Bit like blaming the car manufacturer because it's product breaks the speed limit. angry.gif angry.gif
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 11 2018, 12:30 PM) *
As one who trundles along the canal towpath at regular intervals, monitoring the accumulating rubbish is second nature so witnessing the mass clean up a few weeks back, which was well publicised, one would imagine that it would stay reasonably clean for a good period of time. But oh no, it's as bad as before the clean up so what is wrong with people? Safe to assume it is "local" rubbish so why not dispose of it in the nearest bin? All this furore over supermarkets using less plastic is pointless if the great unwashed are still going to dump their rubbish. Bit like blaming the car manufacturer because it's product breaks the speed limit. angry.gif angry.gif


You won't.ever win the battle against litter. Tooo many scumbags who finish there 4 pack and chuck it. I was stupid enough once to ask some yobbbos to pick up the timnies they had just discarded in the City Playground and was threatened with violence. They are all big and hard when they are a group and you are an individual. But get them on there own and they are wimps.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 11 2018, 12:52 PM) *
You won't.ever win the battle against litter. Tooo many scumbags who finish there 4 pack and chuck it. I was stupid enough once to ask some yobbbos to pick up the timnies they had just discarded in the City Playground and was threatened with violence. They are all big and hard when they are a group and you are an individual. But get them on there own and they are wimps.


This is were the yanks have an advantage. "Pick up yer littler punk". "F***k off Grandad". Have .38 will travel. BANG!........Next cool.gif
Biker1
Seems our dopey council care not for the environment either what with slapping a £50 charge for collection of green waste on top of a outrageous 6% tax rise?!!! angry.gif
I predict a marked increase of green waste going to landfill and fly tipping .
je suis Charlie
Indeed, I for one will be having many more bonfires, sod the neighbors. It's going to be a point of honour, I pay council tax for Christ sake, they wanted us to recycle, recycle more and more. Stuck a thing on the green bin that said ' feed me ' now the buggers want to charge me more on top of the outrageous increase in tax. What I can't burn will go in sacks into the black bin. All while the police commissioner gets fat.
Biker1
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 14 2018, 10:55 AM) *
Indeed, I for one will be having many more bonfires, sod the neighbors. It's going to be a point of honour, I pay council tax for Christ sake, they wanted us to recycle, recycle more and more. Stuck a thing on the green bin that said ' feed me ' now the buggers want to charge me more on top of the outrageous increase in tax. What I can't burn will go in sacks into the black bin.

Likewise.
Refusing to pay it is a matter of principle.
They claim it will raise £900,000.
That would assume that 18,000 households are going to pay it?
Surely there aren't that many mugs in the District?? unsure.gif
Turin Machine
This council are idiots, give millions of pounds of land away to greedy developers for nowt then pull this stunt. Unbelievable! They need sacking, the lot of them. Next they'll ***** about flytipping and talk about "educating" us! Pillocks!
SirWilliam
Have they actually proposed how it will work? Will each property that has subscribed to their idea have a "yes" bin and the rest of us a "no" bin? I can see a few going missing. Frightening when you think these people are running the show.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 14 2018, 12:30 PM) *
Have they actually proposed how it will work? Will each property that has subscribed to their idea have a "yes" bin and the rest of us a "no" bin? I can see a few going missing. Frightening when you think these people are running the show.

If you subscribe you get a sticker, if not it's not collected.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 14 2018, 01:10 PM) *
If you subscribe you get a sticker, if not it's not collected.


Yet another money making idea thanks to those who can not see further than their nose. Similar to the old train ticket scam using a platform ticket and six of us could travel for a 6d, all we need is one ticket a photocopier and an ebay account.
Halcyon days. wink.gif
Cognosco
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 14 2018, 04:07 PM) *
Yet another money making idea thanks to those who can not see further than their nose. Similar to the old train ticket scam using a platform ticket and six of us could travel for a 6d, all we need is one ticket a photocopier and an ebay account.
Halcyon days. wink.gif


So those who opt out will get a reduction on the Council Tax bill then as they are paying for the green bin collection at the present time?
Turin Machine
That, Mon Ami, wouldn't have even crossed their minds.
newres
I've been in Grimsby this and last week. You lot don't know you're born. Dog s h i t everywhere, litter like you wouldn't believe.

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je suis Charlie
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 14 2018, 06:20 PM) *
I've been in Grimsby this and last week. You lot don't know you're born. Dog s h i t everywhere, litter like you wouldn't believe.

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Thereby raising the average IQ of both towns.
Andy Capp
We have these bills because we voted for a tax cutting government. They slashed the local settlement.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 14 2018, 06:58 PM) *
We have these bills because we voted for a tax cutting government. They slashed the local settlement.

I blame Corbyn and the EU.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 14 2018, 09:41 PM) *
I blame Corbyn and the EU.

I blame newres and his anti Semitism!
Andy Capp
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 14 2018, 09:41 PM) *
I blame Corbyn and the EU.

Funny enough, the said government could be responsible for those two as well.
Biker1
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 14 2018, 07:20 PM) *
I've been in Grimsby this and last week. You lot don't know you're born. Dog s h i t everywhere, litter like you wouldn't believe.

Is that the same Grimsby who's fishing industry has been decimated by the fishing rights of the EU which we now propose to allow them to retain?
newres
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 15 2018, 08:38 AM) *
Is that the same Grimsby who's fishing industry has been decimated by the fishing rights of the EU which we now propose to allow them to retain?

If we propose to stick with the policy it can only be because by doing so we gain more than we lose. Itís called not cutting off oneís nose to spite oneís face because no matter how much we might like to live in the past, we have to accept we are in a global marketplace and by sticking with the EU we are at least peripherally part of a major player.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (newres @ Mar 15 2018, 10:00 AM) *
If we propose to stick with the policy it can only be because by doing so we gain more than we lose. Itís called not cutting off oneís nose to spite oneís face because no matter how much we might like to live in the past, we have to accept we are in a global marketplace and by sticking with the EU we are at least peripherally part of a major player.


Something like, we let them have fishing rights in our coastal waters in exchange they send us german cars without restriction? Brilliant deal! This brexit deal should be done and dusted by easter. Little wonder the ruskies put two fingers up to us. angry.gif
newres
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 15 2018, 11:43 AM) *
Something like, we let them have fishing rights in our coastal waters in exchange they send us german cars without restriction? Brilliant deal! This brexit deal should be done and dusted by easter. Little wonder the ruskies put two fingers up to us. angry.gif

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blackdog
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 14 2018, 11:12 AM) *
Likewise.
Refusing to pay it is a matter of principle.
They claim it will raise £900,000.
That would assume that 18,000 households are going to pay it?
Surely there aren't that many mugs in the District?? unsure.gif


The council tactic is obvious - slap on a charge and hope no one pays it, then stop the collection alltogether and save the £900k they currently pay Veolia to collect it.
Cognosco
QUOTE (blackdog @ Mar 15 2018, 01:11 PM) *
The council tactic is obvious - slap on a charge and hope no one pays it, then stop the collection alltogether and save the £900k they currently pay Veolia to collect it.


But then there will be far more going to landfill as people will put food waste etc and obviously grass cuttings, in bin bags, in the general waste bins. Also less green waste going for composting which I understand the council currently make money from! rolleyes.gif
SirWilliam
QUOTE (Cognosco @ Mar 16 2018, 05:26 PM) *
But then there will be far more going to landfill as people will put food waste etc and obviously grass cuttings, in bin bags, in the general waste bins. Also less green waste going for composting which I understand the council currently make money from! rolleyes.gif


Different budget. rolleyes.gif On a similar note, why do people throw food away? I thought the idea was to eat it.
Cognosco
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 16 2018, 07:10 PM) *
Different budget. rolleyes.gif On a similar note, why do people throw food away? I thought the idea was to eat it.


Vegetable peelings, tea bags, etc. However good you are there is always food waste in any good kitchen. and not everyone has facilities for making home compost. rolleyes.gif
blackdog
QUOTE (Cognosco @ Mar 16 2018, 05:26 PM) *
But then there will be far more going to landfill as people will put food waste etc and obviously grass cuttings, in bin bags, in the general waste bins. Also less green waste going for composting which I understand the council currently make money from! rolleyes.gif

Do the council make anything from recycling? I would have thought that would be a Veolia perk.
Cognosco
QUOTE (blackdog @ Mar 16 2018, 11:51 PM) *
Do the council make anything from recycling? I would have thought that would be a Veolia perk.


I may be incorrect on the Council making money, not sure to be honest I know a neighbour who is a keen gardener buys it. But the point is that all the current kitchen waste etc will now go to landfill which creates tons of methane when slowly rotting in landfill. Unless of course all the present green waste bins are paid for?
Can you really expect that to happen? rolleyes.gif
Turin Machine
After years of telling us to recycle more they then ensure people will recycle less. It's a debacle.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 17 2018, 01:14 PM) *
After years of telling us to recycle more they then ensure people will recycle less. It's a debacle.


And still we don't know which plastics go in which bin. Maybe councils have no idea either so they muddy the pond further by charging twice for stuff that will end up in landfill.
Poor joe bloggs at the end of the line is expected to shoulder the disposal cost of something that is not of his making. Why can't all items that require plastic packaging use a product that is recyclable? If this part of the equation was rectified maybe the green waste removal would not be such a financial issue.
blackdog
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 17 2018, 03:54 PM) *
And still we don't know which plastics go in which bin. Maybe councils have no idea either so they muddy the pond further by charging twice for stuff that will end up in landfill.
Poor joe bloggs at the end of the line is expected to shoulder the disposal cost of something that is not of his making. Why can't all items that require plastic packaging use a product that is recyclable? If this part of the equation was rectified maybe the green waste removal would not be such a financial issue.


It's not that easy - after all WBC will only cycle some recyclable plastics, not all of them. Councils need to be forced to recycle all recyclable materials - for instance aluminium, why don't WBC recycle something so easy to recycle?
blackdog
QUOTE (Cognosco @ Mar 17 2018, 12:33 AM) *
I may be incorrect on the Council making money, not sure to be honest I know a neighbour who is a keen gardener buys it. But the point is that all the current kitchen waste etc will now go to landfill which creates tons of methane when slowly rotting in landfill. Unless of course all the present green waste bins are paid for?
Can you really expect that to happen? rolleyes.gif


There will, of course, be resistance to the new charge, and those using it least will be the most able to cope without it. Bigger families with a small garden will be the most peeved, already complaining about having fortnightly collection because the black bin fills up - so little room for the grass cuttings.

It is the big users who are most likely to pay up - and they provide most of the green waste. It will be interesting to see what transpires in the recycling figures.
SirWilliam
QUOTE (blackdog @ Mar 17 2018, 07:41 PM) *
It's not that easy - after all WBC will only cycle some recyclable plastics, not all of them. Councils need to be forced to recycle all recyclable materials - for instance aluminium, why don't WBC recycle something so easy to recycle?


I was not aware that they didn't recycle aluminium, which shows just how much of a blind alley the public find themselves in. Plastic seems to be the main culprit so, as you say, why don't they recycle ALL plastic?
Now they tell me that the humble tea bag contains plastic which is not an ideal for "green" waste. This may be logical when one thinks about it but how many of us did? No, before they start placing the burden on the tax payer they need to have a universal approach.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 18 2018, 09:22 AM) *
I was not aware that they didn't recycle aluminium, which shows just how much of a blind alley the public find themselves in. Plastic seems to be the main culprit so, as you say, why don't they recycle ALL plastic?
Now they tell me that the humble tea bag contains plastic which is not an ideal for "green" waste. This may be logical when one thinks about it but how many of us did? No, before they start placing the burden on the tax payer they need to have a universal approach.

Where does it say you can't recycle aluminium?
SirWilliam
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 18 2018, 12:52 PM) *
Where does it say you can't recycle aluminium?


Post 31. I was replying to the post not posing the question. They may well do in which case the odd aluminium can that I use ends up in the correct bin.
je suis Charlie
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 18 2018, 01:10 PM) *
Post 31. I was replying to the post not posing the question. They may well do in which case the odd aluminium can that I use ends up in the correct bin.

They specify that they want soft drink cans. Ergo aluminium.
Berkshirelad
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 18 2018, 06:57 PM) *
They specify that they want soft drink cans. Ergo aluminium.


...but not aluminium foil or wrapping.

The one I really don't understand is that sheets of paper can go in the recycling but shredded paper is not allowed.
blackdog
QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Mar 18 2018, 10:45 PM) *
...but not aluminium foil or wrapping.

Or aluminium pie trays, pet food containers, etc. If it ain't a can send it to landfill.

je suis Charlie
QUOTE (blackdog @ Mar 19 2018, 01:45 AM) *
Or aluminium pie trays, pet food containers, etc. If it ain't a can send it to landfill.

I sometimes thing they, and we are just playing at recycling. It all seems just for show with no real content at all, there must be a market somewhere for all this stuff, what about bottle tops for instance? Why can't we recycle those?
SirWilliam
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 19 2018, 07:17 AM) *
I sometimes thing they, and we are just playing at recycling. It all seems just for show with no real content at all, there must be a market somewhere for all this stuff, what about bottle tops for instance? Why can't we recycle those?


Agreement there. Easy to lay the problem at the consumer's door whilst not having a coherent policy to tackle it. In terms of usage I probably dispose of more non recyclable plastic than reusable. Seems to me that they are ok with milk containers, ( 1 / week ), but yoghurt pots which appear to be the same material, ( 1 / day ), are designated to the black bin along with all the lids.
GrumblingAgain
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 14 2018, 06:58 PM) *
We have these bills because we voted for a tax cutting government. They slashed the local settlement.

How come we had ludicrously high council tax increases when the Lib Dems were last in charge of WBC? Don't recall it being the Tories in Government slashing funding to councils then. Do remember our increases being either the highest or second highest in the country.

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 14 2018, 08:30 AM) *
Seems our dopey council care not for the environment either what with slapping a £50 charge for collection of green waste on top of a outrageous 6% tax rise?!!! angry.gif
I predict a marked increase of green waste going to landfill and fly tipping .

Thank goodness we don't have a Lib Dem run council then - it would be far more than a 6% rise then. More like 36%.
je suis Charlie
And why not ALL aluminium? Horrendously expensive to refine, surely it must be more cost effective to recycle?
Biker1
QUOTE (GrumblingAgain @ Mar 19 2018, 10:20 AM) *
How come we had ludicrously high council tax increases when the Lib Dems were last in charge of WBC? Don't recall it being the Tories in Government slashing funding to councils then. Do remember our increases being either the highest or second highest in the country.

Agreed, yes I remember those double figure increases very well! angry.gif

QUOTE (GrumblingAgain @ Mar 19 2018, 10:20 AM) *
Thank goodness we don't have a Lib Dem run council then - it would be far more than a 6% rise then. More like 36%.

It would indeed! Still doesn't justify it though I think?
Turin Machine
Have to pay for all that land they gave away somehow. Not to mention those salaries and pensions.
Andy Capp
QUOTE (GrumblingAgain @ Mar 19 2018, 09:20 AM) *
How come we had ludicrously high council tax increases when the Lib Dems were last in charge of WBC? Don't recall it being the Tories in Government slashing funding to councils then. Do remember our increases being either the highest or second highest in the country

When it was the LDs, it was still the government cutting settlements; however, I donít remember the Torys handing anything back either.
Turin Machine
Still not clearing litter though. I despair sometimes. We can give prime development land away, spend hundreds of thousands on cafes, vanity projects abound. But we can't get the recycling done, borrow a library book or use a loo. Progress huh.
Andy Capp
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 07:32 PM) *
Still not clearing litter though. I despair sometimes. We can give prime development land away, spend hundreds of thousands on cafes, vanity projects abound. But we can't get the recycling done, borrow a library book or use a loo. Progress huh.

Youíve redeemed yourself; post of the year.
Mr Brown
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 07:32 PM) *
Still not clearing litter though. I despair sometimes. We can give prime development land away, spend hundreds of thousands on cafes, vanity projects abound. But we can't get the recycling done, borrow a library book or use a loo. Progress huh.


And yet you'll still vote for them!
SirWilliam
QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Mar 19 2018, 09:54 PM) *
And yet you'll still vote for them!


And thereby lies the problem. Those who should be in local government are precluded by the fact they wouldn't want the job which leaves those who think they can do it but patently can't.
Perhaps we should abstain from using the ballot box?
Turin Machine
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 20 2018, 09:29 AM) *
And thereby lies the problem. Those who should be in local government are precluded by the fact they wouldn't want the job which leaves those who think they can do it but patently can't.
Perhaps we should abstain from using the ballot box?

Most people do anyway, have you seen the turnout figures?
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