I log "incidents" with Microsoft.

I'm not a crazed jihadi islamic extremist.

Call it what it is. And don't use this PC cr@p.

Also how many terrorist attacks in frequency does it take to become an insurgency??

Obviously the offer of tea, hobnobs and a nice chat may not be working.

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

I think TM's speech was an appropriate response. Root and branch.

Agreed. This will just continue. You can't negotiate woth people who want to die. Round them up and where evidence is found, get rid. And tell the human rights lawyers to do one.

But exactly who are you going to round up? Until they, whoever they are, commit some offense then how are you going to detect them it would appear that those that have committed these atrocious acts were actually born in Britain as far as I am aware??

It's the same as saying round up all the burglars but until they have burgled or stating they are going to burgle who are you going to round up. Just wish it was that easy to say round them up and it was that easy to say who "they" are!

Although when Corbyn's PM, we'll I'm sure address the foreign policy issues that result in thousands of deaths of Muslims which I'm pretty sure will see the end of these "incidents". You reap what you sow.

That's just so silly as to be laughable. When you have Muslims slaughtering other Muslims just because they belong to a different sects and have been for hundreds of years, when they massacre, enslave and rape everybody who is even remotely different in the name of their own perverse ideology I don't see doing nothing as being a terrific tactic.

Corbyn doesnt even have a shoot to kill policy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-3...-to-kill-policy

In this event many more people would have died.
Newres has been brainwashed. He's barking.

MI5 know who they are and they sure aint burglars. Just so I get this right your solution to the problem is...

1. Get rid of Nuclear weapons
2. Dont interfere in any foreign war no matter what the circumstances
3. Disarm the Police
4.Wait for these poor misunderstood people to tire themselves out killing people before arresting them

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Not brainwashed, just, wrong. (My own personal view) and your right, it was only the prompt action of armed police that ended the slaughter. The emergency services did a wonderful job, hats off to all who responded.

DP

Remind me, did we have Muslim terrorists in the west before the Gulf wars?

No one would argue with the action of the police. I'm quite sure JC would fully support what was done.

We had the IRA and we all know Corbyns views on them. And yes the world has changed. It does.

But he doesnt agree with shoot to kill? Or does he now?

So before we started invading and slaughtering Muslims they never attacked us. Is there a lesson there? Like the time we declared that we had no political or economic interest in Northern Ireland the IRA stopped attacking us? Weird eh?

I don't know. I think we need to be very clear about what we mean by it. I'm quite sure that in that example any sane person would agree that it was right to shoot them and preserving their lives was of secondary importance. I think it's a very dangerous thing to give a carte blanche shoot to kill policy. Idiotic actually.

Except he doesn't, he opposes shoot to kill.

The rise of Wahabism as a popular cult part of Islam is relatively recent and they want to kill us all. Its not difficult. They want YOU dead. They want your family dead. They would cut your head off without a second thought. Good luck making peace with that.

Understandably:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean...rles_de_Menezes

Put simply, the genie's out of the bottle, no amount of denial will change that.

Quite.

Can't have it both ways, can't applaud police for saving lives by shooting to kill whilst simultaneously opposing shoot to kill.

Anyway, I'm not going down this tired old route, you don't agree with me and I don't agree with you, not getting in to a slagging match.

And I reckon the moment we disassociate ourselves from the obscene western policy it'll go back in.

La la land.

Yup, didn't work for Chamberlain, won't work now. It's called appeasement and last time it led to six million jews being murdered. If Corbyn gets in just wait till all the libian and Syrian terrorists just walk Into Britain. This will seem like the good old days in comparison.

Well drone attacks aren't working.

Boots on the ground. Get in, drag the rats into the daylight and neutralise them. Cut off the head and the body dies.

As I understand it Corbyn's position on terrorism, war and violence is that it is deplorable but in order to bring peace you have to talk to all sides in an argument and seek to remove tyranny and injustice. Corbyn spoke to Sinn Fein, Hamas, and Hezbollah when no one else was talking to them because there needs to be dialog and understanding for there to be peace. He also supported gay rights years before it was tolerably acceptably to be gay, he was arrested for protesting against the South African regeime in support of Mandela, he oppsed the despot Pinochet of Chile who got on very well with Thatcher, he protested against the UK government selling arms to Iraq in the years before the gulf war when Saddam was good for trade, and he has spoken out strongly against the UK selling £billions of arms to the despotic regime of Saudi Arabia.

I think we found the price to pay too high when we did that. You can't win a war. Abhorrent as they are, eventually the Taliban may well be back in power in Afghanistan.

Not a student of history then?

Where did you get the idea that the above you have quoted are my solutions???
show me where I have stated that please?

If MI5 knew who they are why have they been allowed to commit these atrocities, are you saying MI5 are not doing their job properly?

I was certainly not disagreeing with dealing severely with any terrorists just pointing out that it would be very difficult to round "them" up as you say when you are unable to identify "them"?

Please explain how you identify someone who is going to commit a terrorist act from someone who is not?

You would rather wait to see if someone commits an atrocity rather than apprehend them before? And Im sure you'd be the first trying to get them released as they hadn't killed anyone just yet.

It's quite simple as such things usually are:

Terrorists: Dress in robes, have black beards, hold black round bombs
Burglars: Dress in horizontally striped tops, wear black masks, carry bag printed SWAG
Suspects: Don't leave home often, stay in bedroom playing with computer

Of course, the proper guides are out of print, but any 1950s comic will have illustrations except for suspects and they don't take much imagination to spot.

Increased surveillance is a big job, but it's not all bad. There are many intangible benefits. Such as revealing anyone 'trying it on' with the schools admissions process and making sure the Mrs Miggins of this World don't put their bottles in the paper bins. That solves the home issue.

To sort abroad, the answer is clear, nuke them. Simple as that. Plus it properly justifies Trident.

Spot on. Congratulations, welcome to the real world. Just leave your unicorn at the door. 😁

Just answer the question asked. How do you identify someone who is going to commit an atrocity?

If they're on the list bring em in, give me fifteen minutes with a truck battery and some jump leads. Soon see what they know or don't know. 😎

Typo, with these people.

I'd start with anyone practicing shariah. Thats normally a good indicator. Oh and those holding up placards with things like "death to the infidels" and "make London Londonistan" Also anyone returning from a "holiday" to places like Somalia, Libya, or an extended trip to Turkey. Oh and yes profiling works.

Then Id insist on CCTV and sound in all the mosques.

It may impinge on freedoms but its a small price to pay.

On the basis of if they've nothing to hide, then, why not?

More than happy to have it in Churches as well just in case a few old biddies are planning some atrocity.

Can't we delete 'extended' from the Turkey requirement? I'd also round up anyone who looks as if they come from these places; even just for questioning. Easy pickings, just stand outside RBH staff entrance....

So what you are suggesting is round up all Muslims, is that a correct interpretation?

And how do you know someone has been on holiday in those countries you have listed if they first go to another country and then back to another EUropean country before coming back to Britain?

I am not disagreeing with the idea of rounding up terrorists but trying to demonstrate it is not quite as easy as you are implying. If you can demonstrate just how easy it is I feel sure the security services, police and the General public at large will be very grateful indeed.

Where have I said all Muslims? You said that.

Read my last post again!

That was how I interpreted your reply, hence the "is that correct" which is why I asked you to clarify?

Do try to answer the queries given rather than try to obfuscate with a non answer.

All I am trying to elucidate is how do you identify and round up those who you think will be going to commit these terrible types of atrocities. If you can demonstrate how to do this you will have my full backing plus the gratitude of most Britain's.

Go hug a terrorist. I have already suggested ways. You chose to ignore them. Cos it suits your agenda. You can come back again if you like as I know you have to have the last word. The pub bore.

As opposed to the forum bore.

You have failed to suggest ways to identify future terrorists and just resort to insults as usual.
I even agreed to round up these terrorists with you if you were able to explain how to identify them. You completely failed to do so.
You insult the security services and police by suggesting they have failed in their duties by not rounding up these terrorists as you imply it is very easy to identify them before they committed these atrocities.

Unless these individuals make clear and dangerous threats, and of course not many are going to do that, I certainly would not be able to detect one walking through any of our town's and cities.

If you have a system to detect them then please get in touch with the security services as they need as much assistance as possible instead of your implying they have failed in your eyes by not rounding them up.

Yep, Cognosco is wholly 'on side'. All he wants to know is how we can do it with one added word, successfully. Yes, you have suggested ways, but they've all been tried in various places before and simply don't work. Those solutions are like saying the common cold can be easily cured, if the sufferer simply drinks bleach.