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TallDarkAndHandsome
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Kuenssberg

Earns more than May and Trump per annum by salary.

Snowflake liberal. Get rid BBC. 👎
Andy Capp
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 28 2017, 12:02 AM) *
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Kuenssberg

Earns more than May and Trump per annum by salary.

Snowflake liberal. Get rid BBC. 👎

On your marks ... get set ... GO! The last one to the bottom is a posh git!
On the edge
Cameron threw away the opportunity to do anything about the BBC to try and buy the referendum. We've created a monster and keep just keep feeding it.


user23
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 28 2017, 12:02 AM) *
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Kuenssberg

Earns more than May and Trump per annum by salary.

Snowflake liberal. Get rid BBC. 👎
Trunp's salary from his position as President is $1, so most people in the world earn more than him.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 28 2017, 08:52 AM) *
Trunp's salary from his position as President is $1, so most people in the world earn more than him.

She's still on 200k a year and the question she asked was an embarrassment. She said she was speaking on behalf of the uk. Its up to Prime Minister May to speak on behalf of the UK. Not some overpaid ❄ liberal lefty.
user23
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 28 2017, 10:11 AM) *
She's still on 200k a year and the question she asked was an embarrassment. She said she was speaking on behalf of the uk. Its up to Prime Minister May to speak on behalf of the UK. Not some overpaid ❄ liberal lefty.
Where did she was speaking on behalf of the UK?

Is this one of those Alternative Facts we've been hearing about from the alt-Right?
On the edge
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 28 2017, 10:11 AM) *
She's still on 200k a year and the question she asked was an embarrassment. She said she was speaking on behalf of the uk. Its up to Prime Minister May to speak on behalf of the UK. Not some overpaid ❄ liberal lefty.


Actually, it's really a management issue. The words she used were incorrect and there should be internal mechanisims for correcting this. We do have a significant and growing problem, excaserbated no doubt by the financial rewards, where news announcers see themselves as celebrities; newsworthy in their own right. They aren't generally even reporters; just performing heads.

Our way of politics today means politicians actually court these people; which gives them a wholly inaccurate view of their own importance. Thus in a self perpetuating oligarchy such as the BBC, we end up with a self appointed squad of people who honestly do believe they 'represent the nation'.

Our fault, we should have clipped the BBC when we had the opportunity - we reap what we sow!
user23
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 28 2017, 11:08 AM) *
Actually, it's really a management issue. The words she used were incorrect and there should be internal mechanisims for correcting this. We do have a significant and growing problem, excaserbated no doubt by the financial rewards, where news announcers see themselves as celebrities; newsworthy in their own right. They aren't generally even reporters; just performing heads.

Our way of politics today means politicians actually court these people; which gives them a wholly inaccurate view of their own importance. Thus in a self perpetuating oligarchy such as the BBC, we end up with a self appointed squad of people who honestly do believe they 'represent the nation'.

Our fault, we should have clipped the BBC when we had the opportunity - we reap what we sow!
Isn't the same true of Peston on ITV, or Boulton on Sky?

I'm not sure muzzling public service news broadcasting would really resolve this, or if it's even an issue.

It would please the likes of Rupert Murdoch and the small number of people who control our traditional media though.
JeffG
The mobile version of Wikipedia looks so weird compared to the normal version.

And where in that article does it say how much she earns?
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Snowflake liberal. Get rid BBC.

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Following the 2016 local elections, a petition on 38 Degrees was begun, which accused Kuenssberg of being biased against the Labour Party and its leader Jeremy Corbyn, and called for her dismissal.

You can't have it both ways.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (JeffG @ Jan 28 2017, 12:05 PM) *
The mobile version of Wikipedia looks so weird compared to the normal version.

And where in that article does it say how much she earns?

You can't have it both ways.


In this digital age surely the BBC should be a subscription channel. Then you would have a choice. Its a dinosuar that pays over the odds for people like her. Same for Linekar.
On the edge
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 28 2017, 11:23 AM) *
Isn't the same true of Peston on ITV, or Boulton on Sky?

I'm not sure muzzling public service news broadcasting would really resolve this, or if it's even an issue.

It would please the likes of Rupert Murdoch and the small number of people who control our traditional media though.


I've nowhere suggested muzzling public service broadcasting. Just two things are needed. First, a professional news service with integrity is needed, rather than the showbiz model we have now. Mind, we'd need integrity in our politicians to get that. Ironic you mentioned Robert Peston, he would have been of no interest to the Murdoch circus unless he'd been able to build his showbiz persona at the BBC. Second, breaking up the BBC does not mean suppression. There is absolutely no reason why we can't have 'more than one' public service media delivery organisation. Indeed, even following the original intent with a regional one.

Again, the Murdoch empire was built with the conviviance of our politicians. They have had ample opportunity to stop it growing to its present size, but again, short term political expediency trumps all.
gel
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 28 2017, 10:11 AM) *
She's still on 200k a year and the question she asked was an embarrassment. She said she was speaking on behalf of the uk. Its up to Prime Minister May to speak on behalf of the UK. Not some overpaid ❄ liberal lefty.

Quite right. As she hails from Sturgeon land, transfer her there, along with
fellow hard left (rich) presenter Kirsty Wark.

I'm sure BBC Scotland would welcome them, along with Sturgeon; hopefully BBC Scot/Sturgeon TV has somewhat less
inflated salary levels.
user23
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 28 2017, 01:10 PM) *
In this digital age surely the BBC should be a subscription channel. Then you would have a choice. Its a dinosuar that pays over the odds for people like her. Same for Linekar.
The licence fee guarantees we have at least one MSM voice independent from moguls like Murdoch.

These days. especially in the post-fact news area. that's important.
On the edge
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 28 2017, 04:13 PM) *
The licence fee guarantees we have at least one MSM voice independent from moguls like Murdoch.

These days. especially in the post-fact news area. that's important.


Yes, as independent as a Newbury Town Council disciplinary enquiry. Listen to day time Radio 4, the home of 'post-fact' information.

I'd suggest the best evidence that they are not the voice of the nation is that they hadn't picked up the majority view on Brexit or the dissatisfaction of vast swathes of people across the Country. I'm not sure they've even learned any lessons; why for instance are Messrs Clegg and Ashdown dug out to offer unwanted advice so often?
user23
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 28 2017, 04:37 PM) *
Yes, as independent as a Newbury Town Council disciplinary enquiry.
Are you suggesting the BBC is controlled by Murdoch or one of the other international media barons?

As for the mood of a nation, even staunch Brexit supporter Farage got that wrong, he thought Remain would win.
On the edge
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 28 2017, 05:04 PM) *
Are you suggesting the BBC is controlled by Murdoch or one of the other international media barons?

As for the mood of a nation, even staunch Brexit supporter Farage got that wrong, he thought Remain would win.


Of course not, I haven't even implied that. I must admit, though, I do find it rather weird that our Government is so worried about one old man; it not make you wonder why? This country is still an aristocracy, who do you think appoints the Governors?

So, then, Mr Farage actually proves the point. The establishment writ large didn't predict the result, so the BBC certainly can't claim to 'speak for the nation' - it's got no idea what the nation thinks!


newres
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 28 2017, 05:04 PM) *
Are you suggesting the BBC is controlled by Murdoch or one of the other international media barons?

As for the mood of a nation, even staunch Brexit supporter Farage got that wrong, he thought Remain would win.


He also said that in the event of a narrow loss he would continue campaigning for another referendum.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (newres @ Jan 28 2017, 06:29 PM) *
He also said that in the event of a narrow loss he would continue campaigning for another referendum.


A bit like Tim Farron.... He's even more odious. 💩
TallDarkAndHandsome
At least the doomsday clock has been moved forward.👍
user23
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 28 2017, 06:26 PM) *
Of course not, I haven't even implied that.
You implied the BBC wasn't independent.
user23
QUOTE (newres @ Jan 28 2017, 06:29 PM) *
He also said that in the event of a narrow loss he would continue campaigning for another referendum.
Yes, and he'd be perfectly entitled to do so, just as those who campaign against leaving are doing.

That's the whole point of democracy, you can still campaign for what you believe in even if you lost a vote, and you can change your mind about things.
On the edge
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 29 2017, 09:31 AM) *
Yes, and he'd be perfectly entitled to do so, just as those who campaign against leaving are doing.

That's the whole point of democracy, you can still campaign for what you believe in even if you lost a vote, and you can change your mind about things.


Quite right. La Belle Sturgeon is a great example.
Turin Machine
I think if We get a lib lab government, west berks should vigorously campaign for a rerun of the general election. After all I wouldn't have voted for them. Democracy in action, Huzzah!!
blackdog
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 29 2017, 04:46 PM) *
I think if We get a lib lab government, west berks should vigorously campaign for a rerun of the general election. After all I wouldn't have voted for them. Democracy in action, Huzzah!!


If the popular vote would give a different result you'd have some justification for a rerun - but our political system means the rerun would probably have the same result. We had the chance to change it but . . .
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (blackdog @ Jan 29 2017, 06:23 PM) *
If the popular vote would give a different result you'd have some justification for a rerun - but our political system means the rerun would probably have the same result. We had the chance to change it but . . .


A Corbyn and Farron alliance. Unlike the liberal luvvies who said they would leave the Country on brexit and then didn't I would if that happened. And also most of the people that pay the tax bill.... Hows Bob Geldof, Lilly Allen, Ewan Mcreggor etc getting on with all the refugees they have taken in to the homes they live in? Oh wait..... laugh.gif Do as I say... Not what I do.
user23
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 29 2017, 04:46 PM) *
I think if We get a lib lab government, west berks should vigorously campaign for a rerun of the general election. After all I wouldn't have voted for them. Democracy in action, Huzzah!!
We don't vote for a government though, we vote for a Member of Parliament.
Turin Machine
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 29 2017, 07:09 PM) *
We don't vote for a government though, we vote for a Member of Parliament.

Not Democratic enough. I want to be able to protest if I don't get what I want. Take to the streets, spread fear and destruction just like the luvvies do.
newres
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 29 2017, 04:46 PM) *
I think if We get a lib lab government, west berks should vigorously campaign for a rerun of the general election. After all I wouldn't have voted for them. Democracy in action, Huzzah!!

There will be a re run. In four years.
user23
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 29 2017, 07:22 PM) *
Not Democratic enough. I want to be able to protest if I don't get what I want. Take to the streets, spread fear and destruction just like the luvvies do.
Perhaps this lot are up your street then?

I sincerely hope they're never down mine.
user23
QUOTE (newres @ Jan 29 2017, 07:43 PM) *
There will be a re run. In four years.
Five years.

(yes I am being pedantic)
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 29 2017, 07:46 PM) *
Perhaps this lot are up your street then?

I sincerely hope they're never down mine.


I hate the EDL. Scum. Interesting that no one is protesting that Israeli nationals (the innocent ones just like the innocent Muslims) are banned from countless Muslim Countries. Thats Ok though. Its not "PC" to hug an Israeli. Laughable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_passport

A link for anyone that is interested in facts. 16 countries.... Im no fan of Israel but blaming the general population for the action of the leaders..... Oh wait its OK if you are Saudi.👍 Interesting that Saudi are also responsible for the majority of US terrorist deaths but are not on the "list". Makes you wonder.....
user23
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 29 2017, 08:07 PM) *
I hate the EDL. Scum. Interesting that no one is protesting that Israeli nationals (the innocent ones just like the innocent Muslims) are banned from countless Muslim Countries. Thats Ok though. Its not "PC" to hug an Israeli. Laughable.
You implied it was just "luvvies" protesting. Are the EDL luvvies?
Turin Machine
It's mainly the luvvies. Not too liberal are they? Not when it doesn't go their way.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 29 2017, 08:17 PM) *
You implied it was just "luvvies" protesting. Are the EDL luvvies?


About 10 of them. laugh.gif Lots of luvvies though!!!
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 29 2017, 08:17 PM) *
You implied it was just "luvvies" protesting. Are the EDL luvvies?


Any view on the blanket ban of Israelis??????? Or does it not suit.
user23
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 29 2017, 08:24 PM) *
Any view on the blanket ban of Israelis??????? Or does it not suit.
Yes. I think Israelis should be allowed blankets.
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Turin Machine
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 29 2017, 09:00 PM) *
Yes. I think Israelis should be allowed blankets.
.

To go with the white phosphorus they drop on schools
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 29 2017, 09:00 PM) *
Yes. I think Israelis should be allowed blankets.
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Still waiting for your response to my question about innocent Israelis being banned. Are all Israelis tarnished with the same brush.... In your view?????
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 29 2017, 09:43 PM) *
Still waiting for your response to my question about innocent Israelis being banned. Are all Israelis tarnished with the same brush.... In your view?????


Still waiting.... No condemnation? None at all?????
Andy Capp
Two wrongs don't make right; however, it is all religious and racial bigotry.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 30 2017, 06:06 PM) *
Two wrongs don't make right; however, it is all religious and racial bigotry.


I agree. BUT people should condemn both not just one.
TallDarkAndHandsome
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 29 2017, 08:24 PM) *
Any view on the blanket ban of Israelis??????? Or does it not suit.

The silence is deafening!!! Come on newres... come on user23.. I've called you out. Justify it. Or stay silent and admit you are racist xenophobic bigots!!!*😄
newres
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 30 2017, 10:41 PM) *
The silence is deafening!!! Come on newres... come on user23.. I've called you out. Justify it. Or stay silent and admit you are racist xenophobic bigots!!!*😄

Israel is in breach of UN resolutions. I'm guessing that's the reason some countries ban their citizens. If it was any other country, we'd ban them.
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