QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 26 2016, 08:29 AM)
The problem is we already have people here who are back where they come from. Working for pay is fine but you then have the contentiousness issue of human rights abuse and you effectively devalue low skill tasks and quite possibly reduce the quality of the work too.
I see a requirement for national service as an admission the education system has failed.
In a response to Sparty, I mixed the two issues. The idea of leading the migrants back and settling them down is a short term expedient in an attempt to alleviate the present emergency. Nothing more.
However, in the UK, yes, I'd agree that the need is an admission our educational system has failed. It has without a doubt, demonstrable in our position in international comparators. That measures subject standards, but worse for us is the ongoing complaint from UK business management that our youngsters are not 'educated fit for employment'. Whilst I might rail against the loss of UK headquarters type strategic and design jobs where we have let foreign competition take over our business, I can have some sympathy because British managements clearly don't have access to the right prospective staff.
The idea that it is somehow a human rights abuse to expect people wanting resource to exist some sort of payback is an old one which doesn't really make sense. Arguably, it's a far worse human rights abuse to provide someone with a means of existence, without them doing anything at all in return. You might as well keep a dog, it's degrading and demeaning to do that. The quality and value of the work people do is really down to effective and good management.
The Mayor of a Surrey town back in the 1930s, on his own initiative started a self help scheme which paid local unemployed people roughly the same (in reality a shilling or do less) than the money they could be given 'by the parish'. They designed and built the Town's open air pool - which is still going today. All the money was collected locally, as they fund raised too.
I've known a fair number of people who had lost their jobs for one reason or another. Very few didn't want the dignity and self respect any type of work gave them.