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gel
Newbury Weekly News Online updated
Been off line a bit but when I try again the NWN has had a refresh in design.

Currently lot of the images are not rendering for me, just showing Red X.
user23
Looks good, though like you I'm not getting a lot of the images displayed. The clock seems to be an hour fast too.

Interesting that under Districts they have Thatcham, Hungerford and Hampshire with no mention of Newbury.
Brewmaster
QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 17 2012, 07:01 PM) *
Looks good, though like you I'm not getting a lot of the images displayed. The clock seems to be an hour fast too.

I'm getting the images OK, but the clock is an hour slow to me - as indeed is the one on this forum.

Simon Kirby
QUOTE (Brewmaster @ Feb 18 2012, 08:47 AM) *
I'm getting the images OK, but the clock is an hour slow to me - as indeed is the one on this forum.

I'm getting some dialogue box asking for a user name and password:
QUOTE
A user name and password are being requested by http://n2d.atomicmediaserver.co.uk. The site says: "Secure directory"


And I think the layout is horrible, and it takes eons to load (Firefox 10.0.2).

And a second or so after opening a thread at the latest posts the page jumps annoyingly back to the top - something to do with the box of stuff top-right I suspect.

Big thumbs-down from me, sorry.
Simon Kirby
*wibble*
Bartholomew
I don't think its as easy to read as the previous layout.
Part of the problem is that each topic takes up too much space which makes it difficult to scan. I prefer to have a line per topic so I can choose which one to look at. I think that the best layout is have as much as possible on the first page causing immediate interest.
It also doesn't help that the images aren't properly displayed and there are also an awful lot of adverts.

As far as I'm concerned, the old layout was better.
Biker1
What's happened to the poll?
I can't find it!
user23
Clock seems to be fixed for me, but I'm getting the Secure Directory prompt too.
booboo
And where is the webcam ?
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Adrian Hollister
Did someone accidentally deploy this site update without testing it?
user23
Has anyone tried to log in at the foot of a page to leave a comment?

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/footbal...ty-at-the-races
Adrian Hollister
QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 18 2012, 11:13 AM) *
Has anyone tried to log in at the foot of a page to leave a comment?

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/footbal...ty-at-the-races

yea, most of the site looks broken. hardly works at all on an iPad.
Strafin
I like it.
Simon Kirby
QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 18 2012, 11:13 AM) *
Has anyone tried to log in at the foot of a page to leave a comment?

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/footbal...ty-at-the-races

Does it say why Alex Ferguson was tied up in the first place?
OldNewburian
Not sure about the "No Win No Fee" link at the bottom of the page. Looks O/K on my iPad apart from the images that don't load.
user23
I like the design better than the old one and I'm sure once people get used to it and the technical problems are ironed out, they'll like it too.

I'm reminded of this, which for me describes those who moan about changes to Facebook.

xjay1337
I like your post User23.3

However I agree with the consensus I think the old layout was a bit better. Seems more adverts than actual stories. Infront of me I see an advert for Tiscali 1MB for 7.99 for 3 months, and then 12.99 a month thereafter. Quite possibly the worse "performance per pound" deal out there. It's almost as much of a good service if you pay 10 for a massage - You'll get something yes but you certainly won't end up with a happy ending.

Also on my Firesheep 10, the Weather at the top, I presume so you can click it so it takes you to the 5 page forecast, doesn't work. And yes where has the webcam gone? Nothing quite like spying on Newburys middle-aged shopping. Occasionally there is a pretty girl which makes the 1 hour wait worthwhile.
In all it sort of looks like a Fisher Price "my first" website.

I don't like how they've changed the stories now so they have pictured the editor of the story. More often than not it looks like a collection of faces from the tree of the less blessed. Remove please.
Andy Capp
I'm happy to see changes that improve on the old, but I cannot see an advantage with the new look. It to me seems pointless and it breaks some navigational rules for good website design. I see this one as being poor because I can see that I am less likely to explore the front page than I did with the old 'simpler' design. I am also very surprised that someone hasn't done an off-line test to check for some of the snags. Quite amateurish in that respect.

What Facebook are doing stinks and I hate the time line view. There's no such thing as free, and many people have invested a lot of time on that site, and for them to force changes like the time line is out of order. Like with the NewburyToday home page, it make navigating more tedious, not to mention the inability to filter old posts so readily.

The thing I wish the NWN would improve is the old news search function. It is hard to find some old news stories.

BTW - The BBC have also changed the look and feel of their website, and equally: it is rubbish. At least they haven't made it worse, as it was rubbish before! tongue.gif
Simon Kirby
QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 18 2012, 11:59 AM) *
I like the design better than the old one and I'm sure once people get used to it and the technical problems are ironed out, they'll like it too.

I'm reminded of this, which for me describes those who moan about changes to Facebook.

Bear in mind that NewburyToday are not as pathetically insecure as some other local organisations and are quite likely to appreciate the feedback, be it negative, critical, positive, or constructive. Successful organisations listen to what people say and are confident enough both to see good changes through, and to revert bad changes.

I'd like to see more and bigger pictures with the stories - 1,000 words and all that. And actual pictures if possible rather than stock images.

I'd also prefer the page to fill my screen - I have an inch and a half margin left and right that could be doing a bit more.

And the advertising is noisy. I understand the need for it all, but it's all a bit cheap and stark, could that be quietened down a bit?

I read NewburyToday daily and I get most of my local news from here. I buy the NWN on a Thursday, but it's nice to know what's happening as it happens. What I'd quite like is to have the letters page on-line as this is often a better barometer of what's happening around the town and although any fool can post on the forum there's still a cachet to having a letter published.
Andy Capp
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 18 2012, 12:27 PM) *
I read NewburyToday daily and I get most of my local news from here. I buy the NWN on a Thursday, but it's nice to know what's happening as it happens. What I'd quite like is to have the letters page on-line as this is often a better barometer of what's happening around the town and although any fool can post on the forum there's still a cachet to having a letter published.

Hear, hear. That is another thing I'd like to see: searchable old letters. I also agree that the front page takes longer than I'd like to load.
user23
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 18 2012, 12:27 PM) *
Bear in mind that NewburyToday are not as pathetically insecure as some other local organisations and are quite likely to appreciate the feedback, be it negative, critical, positive, or constructive. Successful organisations listen to what people say and are confident enough both to see good changes through, and to revert bad changes.

I'd like to see more and bigger pictures with the stories - 1,000 words and all that. And actual pictures if possible rather than stock images.

I'd also prefer the page to fill my screen - I have an inch and a half margin left and right that could be doing a bit more.

And the advertising is noisy. I understand the need for it all, but it's all a bit cheap and stark, could that be quietened down a bit?
Having launched their new site I suspect this stage of the process is over.

For most organisations the development of a new website is a linear process run as a project. Comments such as yours are generally taken on board and acted on when the site is in Beta (and before). Presumably they've had a select few users giving feedback as I've not seen it as a public Beta anywhere. One of the problems with trying to change it once launched is that it usually incurs more cost for the organisation given the design has already been signed off.

Some sites just evolve, particularly those for organisations with in-house development capability, and Facebook is an example of this, though whether it's a website or a platform is another debate.
stewiegriffin
Just discovered the new look site. Oh God it's bleeping awful. Half of it doesn't work, the pictures don't appear, the video gallery appears and disappears at will, it's got no flow or coherence to the layout. The 'My Newbury in Pictures' section seems to have vanished, the webcam is gone, the adverts are very 'in your face'. Etc, etc..

It seems like it was cobbled together in somebody's lunch break and then uploaded without anyone bothering to test it.

Still, on the upside, the perpetrators will probably see all these posts and do something about the disaster they've caused. Eventualy.
blackdog
QUOTE (stewiegriffin @ Feb 18 2012, 01:07 PM) *
Just discovered the new look site. Oh God it's bleeping awful. Half of it doesn't work, the pictures don't appear, the video gallery appears and disappears at will, it's got no flow or coherence to the layout. The 'My Newbury in Pictures' section seems to have vanished, the webcam is gone, the adverts are very 'in your face'. Etc, etc..

They are evidently having teething problems - I too find pictures missing, text overrunning, missing articles in the news section etc. But the 'webcam is gone' is hardly a problem with the new site - it hasn't been working for 5 years or more - so why bother with a link?

x2lls
Fonts are not good now, too small by default. They also appear to be variable depending on which link you go to.
booboo
Webcam has been working, it was last week. I use it to see if the farmers market is worth going to. Saves the journey.
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JeffG
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 18 2012, 12:27 PM) *
I'd also prefer the page to fill my screen - I have an inch and a half margin left and right that could be doing a bit more.

I think you'll find that a page width of 1000 pixels is recommended for a normal web site to suit most monitors, and is pretty much standard. Go to the BBC News website and you'll see it's the same. Sky.com is the same, though they do have a pretty background.

I have a 4 inch margin each side on mine smile.gif

Most forums (like this one) will fill the available page width since pages are generated "on the fly", rather than being fixed.

Incidentally, the teething problems seem to be fixed now. I agree that the "No Win No Fee" link in the navigation bar at the bottom is not really on. Perhaps they sponsor the site.
Steve @ NWN
QUOTE (JeffG @ Feb 18 2012, 05:33 PM) *
I think you'll find that a page width of 1000 pixels is recommended for a normal web site to suit most monitors, and is pretty much standard. Go to the BBC News website and you'll see it's the same. Sky.com is the same, though they do have a pretty background.

I have a 4 inch margin each side on mine smile.gif

Most forums (like this one) will fill the available page width since pages are generated "on the fly", rather than being fixed.

Incidentally, the teething problems seem to be fixed now. I agree that the "No Win No Fee" link in the navigation bar at the bottom is not really on. Perhaps they sponsor the site.


Thanks for all the comments today. Positive or not it's good to see people care.

The site has been thoroughly tested over the past months. The problems today have been due to the transfer of all the old sites files (over 18,000 stories and images).

We had half a dozen missing images this morning and the galleries were not running. But that's all resolved.

There is obviously still an issue with speed of loading which we are working on.

Unfortunately the Web Cam stopped working again about 10 days ago. It may well be replaced at some point.

Just a note, the No Win No Fee link has been on the site for nearly three years now. And they don't sponsor the site.
Darren
Looks like the default font has changed to. Not very easy to read.

Might need running over with an accessability tool.
xjay1337
QUOTE (Steve @ NWN @ Feb 18 2012, 06:16 PM) *
Thanks for all the comments today. Positive or not it's good to see people care.


Oh we don't care, we just like moaning. mellow.gif

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Just a note, the No Win No Fee link has been on the site for nearly three years now. And they don't sponsor the site.


Surely remove it then? I mean that's free advertising for a company where in the adverts the people walk across the screens at a 45-degree angle at all times.

HAVE YOU BEEN INJURED IN AN ACCIDENT AT WORK OR ON THE ROAD? IF SO DIAL THIS NUMBER NOW FOR AN INSTANT FALCON PUNCH TO THE KNEE.

I will of course all the new site to "bed in" and give another moan in a week or so when I can fully evaluate the site.
Steve @ NWN
QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 18 2012, 06:45 PM) *
Oh we don't care, we just like moaning. mellow.gif



Surely remove it then? I mean that's free advertising for a company where in the adverts the people walk across the screens at a 45-degree angle at all times.

HAVE YOU BEEN INJURED IN AN ACCIDENT AT WORK OR ON THE ROAD? IF SO DIAL THIS NUMBER NOW FOR AN INSTANT FALCON PUNCH TO THE KNEE.

I will of course all the new site to "bed in" and give another moan in a week or so when I can fully evaluate the site.


It's a paid advert. Not a site sponsor (much more formal). And it has been there for three years.
xjay1337
Oh, my apologises I mis understood HA like that ever happens.
gel
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 18 2012, 12:27 PM) *
I'd also prefer the page to fill my screen - I have an inch and a half margin left and right that could be doing a bit more.

To fill gaps on either side I just enlarge view to 125% and it then I get a screen full.

Re design, I find Wantage Herald a superior layout

http://www.heraldseries.co.uk/news/hswantagenews/
Adrian Hollister
"Error establishing a database connection" on newburytoday.co.uk

seems fine on www.newburytoday.co.uk


someone broken it again?
Adrian Hollister
Ahh there are a load of broken links on the site, referring to 'newburytoday.co.uk' that all give database connection errors. Either the links need an update or someone needs to fix the database config.
xjay1337
Not sure if it's related but on some pages of this forum on the right hand side you get the Newbury Weekly News search thing and it's a bit broken.
Although right now on the forum's index it has a database error. Oh the joys of field testing a live production network.
pinkfluffyclouds
Unfortuately the picture gallery also seems to have been stripped of its contents as I have just been in to try and look at the John O Gaunt photos from the bridge building day !! Hope they will be able to sort this out otherwise is there anywhere else these can be viewed?
Brewmaster
I'm still getting the clock an hour fast on both the forum and Newbury Today.

JeffG
QUOTE (Brewmaster @ Feb 21 2012, 05:07 PM) *
I'm still getting the clock an hour fast on both the forum and Newbury Today.

Click on My Controls then click on Board Settings in the Menu column on the left. Your timezone should be set to "(GMT) Casablanca, Dublin, London, Lisbon, Monrovia" and the Auto Correct DST box should be ticked. If they are both correct, then what is your computer clock saying in the bottom right corner of the screen (assuming you're running Windows)?

Just looked at the clock on the main site and that is indeed showing an hour fast. The posting time here (for me) is correct, although it's displaying as a 12 hour clock, which I guess is because the forum software is American.
x2lls
Annoyingly, clicking on the forum link on the homepage opens another window/tab.

Please sort the forum fonts out!!!

PS:- Since the news pages have changed, I have not bothered to use them.

Biker1
When I click on "last post by" on the forum the link takes me correctly to the last post of the topic, but then jumps to the top of the page and I have to scroll down to the last post.
Anyone else??
x2lls
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 22 2012, 08:33 AM) *
When I click on "last post by" on the forum the link takes me correctly to the last post of the topic, but then jumps to the top of the page and I have to scroll down to the last post.
Anyone else??




Yes!!!
JeffG
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 22 2012, 08:33 AM) *
When I click on "last post by" on the forum the link takes me correctly to the last post of the topic, but then jumps to the top of the page and I have to scroll down to the last post.
Anyone else??

QUOTE (x2lls @ Feb 22 2012, 08:42 AM) *
Yes!!!

No!!!

What browsers are you using? Works just fine in Chrome.
massifheed
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 22 2012, 08:33 AM) *
When I click on "last post by" on the forum the link takes me correctly to the last post of the topic, but then jumps to the top of the page and I have to scroll down to the last post.
Anyone else??


Yes. On every page.

It seems to be to do with whatever it is that's trying to load in the top right hand corner of the page. So, for me at least, the page loads ok to the last post, then the object trying to load at the top right hand corner craps out resulting in the page bumping back up to the top.

I'm not sure what it is that's trying to load, but there's a standard "Not found, Apologies, but the page you requested could not be found..." error message. It's been like that for me since the new site went live. Either NWN don't know about it, or waiting for a fix. But it's just a broken link, so it should take about 30 seconds to sort.

Biker1
QUOTE (JeffG @ Feb 22 2012, 10:42 AM) *
No!!!

What browsers are you using? Works just fine in Chrome.

Firefox.
JeffG
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 22 2012, 11:01 AM) *
Firefox.

I gave up on Firefox because it developed an annoying habit of locking the mouse to the scroll bar wherever you moved the mouse to. Firefox used to be a great browser, but I think it's gone downhill recently with all the new releases.

I downloaded Chrome and haven't looked back (it will import all your bookmarks from whichever browser you were using before). It took a few days to get used to the bookmarks being on the left rather than the right, but a nice feature is that you can spread out frequently-used bookmarks along the bookmarks bar, rather than having them all in one drop-down folder. It also has a load of 'apps' you can install - just like a mobile phone, if you're into that sort of thing.
xjay1337
Jeff, think you're running into a Layer 8 OSI problem with your Firefox there buddy..

I admit Firefox is not the best browser but I like the pretty themes I have and the fact I have 4 rubber duckies smiling at me every day. Who wouldn't want that sort of connection with someone? Although for outright security Chrome seems best but if you are running patched Adobe, Flash and Java you're unlikely to get any sort of drive by downloads of exploits unless you are a numpty! tongue.gif

The new FF10.x isn't to bad really. Suits Windows 7 theme well. Chrome as standard looks very crayony and trust me I am the Crayon King.
massifheed
QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 22 2012, 12:26 PM) *
Layer 8 OSI problem
How original.

QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 22 2012, 12:26 PM) *
I admit Firefox is not the best browser


Agreed. A few years ago Firefox was bulletproof, now it just seems buggy. I gave up on it a while back. And, for all the hype about how standards complaint it is, I have found - albeit in my very limited experience of web design - that it has as many practical issues as any other browser. More so, in fact. I found that, generally, IE and Opera were best at displaying code as it is written.

Biker1
OK.................................downloaded Chrome, now using it and the jump still happens. rolleyes.gif
Simon Kirby
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 22 2012, 06:53 PM) *
OK.................................downloaded Chrome, now using it and the jump still happens. rolleyes.gif

It's the box in the right margin with the clock and weather - it takes a couple of seconds to load and grabs the focus when it does, dragging the page up to the top. It's tres annoyez.
Andy Capp
I have tested this on all the main browsers (IE, FF, Chrome) and they all do it if you have the default installation. It is a website problem.

In FF, if you install Adblock Plus, it stops the script from running and you will stop the problem.
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