Though I agree with your position in principle, placating one's own conscience does not prevent the ongoing cruelty. If we all became vegetarian overnight it would result in every farm animal being killed and left to rot, the countryside predominately used for meat would, over a very short period, become unrecognisable, and that land used for food production would rely increasingly on fossil fuel fertiliser. The reality is we are an omnivorous species and eating meat is a staple of our diet but that does not mean we can treat that food sauce with scant regard to welfare.
The sad thing is that if the law of the land was adhered to we would be debating more contemporary topics such as " should our next prime minister be transgender" ?

What sort of transgender? So many names for it now to bundle them all up as trans is quite wrong and insulting.😂

You'll be calling none whites coloured soon. A disgrace!!!

What about the vegetables? Poor things. You broccoli murderer.

Don't please get me started on "gender issues" more snowflake garbage for people with nowt else to worry their tiny little brains about.

A true libtard view, draw the curtains, put your fingers in your ears, go 'lalala' to yourself and pretend it's not happening.

Je suis. Tut Tut. You must keep up to date to avoid causing hurt.

http://thepbhscloset.weebly.com/a-list-of-...efinitions.html

Animal cruelty is indefensible for ANY reason. Yes, I do buy meat only from places which can confirm animals aren't slaughtered inhumanly and I also contact in person in writing law makers to get regulatory inspection and enforcement procedures significantly tightened.

Good man! There's a petition, I think it's still open, to stop the export of live animals for slaughter. Please sign it. The more people who pitch in the more chance there is of stopping it.

Sadly, yes it is. This whole area is another unsung consequence of 'austerity' cuts in local government and the rise in that wonderful political cop out 'self management'. Trying to get something done is almost impossible, ironically, highlighting cases with a religious aspect is counter productive, because those wanting to prevent stricter regulation are first to shout it's only Islamaphobia!

I’m sorry, but I am not seduced by your dog-whistling bigotry. If animal welfare is the sole motive, then I think we should also look at others areas of animal welfare that has similar cruelty.

There’s nothing humane about killing a healthy animal that doesn’t want to die.

What about vegetables? I just don’t believe in singling people out.

Then do something, anything, just don't just ignore and say "doesn't effect me" And what other areas do you know that eviscerates animals while still alive on a daily basis?

Before we got into bed with europe back in the '70s the live export of animals for slaughter was prohibited. The National Union of Seamen actually balloted for industrial action to prevent the practise being introduced on membership but of course that achieved nothing more than a "spanked bottom" from the free trade brigade.
There are very few countries who take this issue seriously, other than the scandinavians , so I am afraid nothing is going to change anytime soon. It is down to individuals to source their food from known producers but it is very difficult for Mr and Mrs Average to forgo the convenience and pricing of the local supermarket, and that is what those with the power to change are relying on.
Interesting to note that those who object to inhumane slaughter are branded racist / islamophobic/ sentimental nutcases but those who are happy to ignore are categorised as model citizens.

As always, big money. There is much wealth in the meat trade and they won't give that up easily.

Is the answer nearer than we think. The production of vegetable matter is much more efficient and 'created' foodstuff can be just as palatable. Far more people can be fed for far lower a cost or land use.

Where is this the case?

I’m not sure, but I believe cruelty exists outside of cruel religious malpractice; dairy for instance: http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandna...-pound-of-beef/

What a load of twisted emotional twaddle! Yes SOME male calves go to the veal trade, and yes that's vile, the rest of the argument, basically, TOSH! Still doesn't quite compare to animals being abused, tortured, skinned alive etc just because of some perceived "cultural difference"

Nothing will happen. Too many libtards and lefties cant address it because it conflicts with the view that they are "tolerant". The same people would chase a white privilleged person on a horse across the countryside because it suits an agenda.

Remember the furore over the issue of sentience in animals? yet the same people would apparently condone the suffering of these same animals in the name of tolerance. Double standards or what?

Anyway, it looks like all slaughterhouses will be forced to have CCTV now, not too soon.

STILL doesn't address the issue of the cruelty of non stunning though, does it

And this comes from someone who ares for animal welfare; cruelty is cruelty whether for religious purposes or modern convenience.

https://www.peta.org/features/dairy-industry-cruelty/

In the interest of balance I give you another side of a multi-sided coin.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42833132

One never hears of these people taking the issue up with the local council to police the abattoirs under their jurisdiction, we don't see them lobbying parliament, and we certainly don't see them engage in the broader debate, but they consider it ok to bully farmers and consumers alike while turning a blind eye to the real culprits. Animal cruelty along with child abuse gets a lot of people hot under the collar but it still goes on and will do so till the end of time because it is in the human DNA.

There are some very vocal lobby groups and activists alike.

https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/the-truth-about-halal-meat/
http://www.theweek.co.uk/58447/halal-meat-...ruel-to-animals
https://www.peta.org/features/agriprocessors/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...-slaughterhouse
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-...y-10019467.html
https://uk.reuters.com/article/soccer-champ...N0GO1V820130823

I think the opening three words of the second paragraph outlines the problem.

Even true even locally; how many protests have we seen? How many 'letters to the editor'? How many bespoke emails / letters to Councillors / MPs?

I consider the Grauniad article particularly measured. As has been outlined by others this is a cruelty matter, the fact that it is carried out by those who some would like to see removed from the UK only highlights the need for all parties to ensure it is eradicated. The muslim community could and should show itself as completely integrated by recognising public feeling instead of waving the race/religious banner.

I do not know if anyone who is of islamic persuasion reads this forum but I would welcome their input.

This thread is now over 5 years old without what I can see, a representative view from the faith.

We can only wait, so time will tell.

Validior vox operis quam oris!

While Halal may raise temperature, from what I have read, kosha is possibly worse. My view is simply all creatures should be stunned and not within sight or earshot of each other. No exceptions.

Exactly. What is the point of having a law for one, ( a "British" abattoir ), and no law for those who chose to run it on "religious grounds?


Si fueris Rōmae, Rōmānō vīvitō mōre as the locals say,.............. but not if it offends your tame tooth fairy.

Bit like the supposed second coming, probably best to assume that it ain't gonna happen. Quod erat demonstrandum.

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I think most people would agree with that; there can't be any exceptions.

You will wait forever.
For them there is no argument.
Brainwashed from birth with no permitted counter view!

A contributing problem is that the closure of local abattoirs has concentrated the process into a few units that are operating on an industrial scale. Coupled with the fact that slaughterhouse staff are paid piece work and corners are going to be cut.
We are all aware by now that, apart from kosher, religion is not a factor so it boils down to a complete disregard to an animals suffering.

The complete hypocrisy is that we, as a society, dictate to the rest of the world on animal welfare yet we can't even put our own house in order.

As none of the 7 users of the forum are moslems the wait will probably be a very long one.

This forum is racist! Close it down.

And Imperialist!

And a waste of f***ing time to get anything done, but at least we can have a mutual rant which makes us feel better............Or does it?

Have received a sympathetic reply from Richard Benyon in which he agrees with the consensus that the present situation is unacceptable.
Apparently The Animal Welfare Bill that was published in December and due for debate in the coming year stipulates that, along with other measures, that CCTV will be mandatory in ALL abattoirs.

Now like him or loathe him you have to admit he is doing something and we all need to show our support for his involvement. Any card carrying socialists on here know what Corbyn's view on this subject it?

Would you be able to post the text?
That sounds encouraging.

As requested



Thank you for your email to Richard with the Daily Mirror link.
He has asked me to respond to say that this is unacceptable and should not be happening. As part of the draft Animal Welfare Bill, published in December and due to be debated in Parliament this year, CCTV will become mandatory in all abattoirs to ensure animals are treated humanely at the end of their lives. This should make it easier for agencies like the Food Standards Authority to monitor all abattoirs and stamp out abuses such as this.
Thank you for getting in touch.

Yours sincerely

Catherine


Catherine Haig
Senior Researcher for The Rt Hon Richard Benyon MP
Member of Parliament for Newbury

May be a small step but at least it is a step in the right direction.

Thank you for that.
Yes, a small step indeed.

Says the man who supports hunting with hounds etc.

Sometimes you need to dance with the Devil.

Given the choice between being ripped apart by a pack of hounds or being hacked at by a grinning thug with a knife before being disemboweled while still conscious is a no brainer. Now I appreciate two wrongs don't make a right but at least the fox meets his maker very quickly.
If they didn't stop earths before every hunt then most foxes would be safely underground before the hounds got within half a mile.

That may well be so, but it doesn't detract from a positive sign.

Benyon supports fox hunting, badger culling, and voted not to include the animal sentience clause in the recent vote about adopting EU guidelines into law.

Had we adopted the EU directive on animal welfare we would be at the mercy of those who chose to follow their own agenda, (more bad than good), with little chance of changing it. By having our own parliament bring in legislation we have a chance of getting it right.
Remember the EU views it ok to throw donkeys off the church steeple as the local nuns wave their religious book.

I agree badger culling is abhorrent and eventually they will have to adopt a vaccination programme, ( cost issue again ). The evidence is now in front of them that the cull did not work but bovine tuberculosis is something we can not turn our back on in the hope that it will go away.