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Sep 12 2016, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 12 2016, 01:00 PM) It you don't know what speed he was doo.g do you. It no I doo.g n't. But I do know he was driving too fast to stop (unless he chose not to), and too fast to complete the manoeuvre, and as a result of the speed he was doing 4 people (?) lost their lives.
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Sep 12 2016, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE (Claude @ Sep 12 2016, 01:34 PM) It no I doo.g n't.
But I do know he was driving too fast to stop (unless he chose not to), and too fast to complete the manoeuvre, and as a result of the speed he was doing 4 people (?) lost their lives. a ) his class of vehicle is limited to 56 mph b ) any speed was dangerous given that he was using his mobile at the time and not paying attention to the road c ) given b ), applying a (50mph?) limit to this stretch of road would have made no difference whatsoever
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Sep 12 2016, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Sep 12 2016, 02:03 PM) a ) his class of vehicle is limited to 56 mph b ) any speed was dangerous given that he was using his mobile at the time and not paying attention to the road c ) given b ), applying a (50mph?) limit to this stretch of road would have made no difference whatsoever a) fascinating b ) even 1mph? c) I don't know any facts about the accident but if we assume the guy was driving at 56mph, it's impossible for anyone to know whether the outcome might have been different had he been limited to 50mph. To say it would have made no difference whatsoever isn't something you can support My point is not that there should be a mandated limit of 50mph, or any other number chosen at random, I was simply arguing against JSC's point that excess speed had no part to play.
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Sep 12 2016, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (Claude @ Sep 12 2016, 03:50 PM) a) fascinating
b ) even 1mph?
c) I don't know any facts about the accident but if we assume the guy was driving at 56mph, it's impossible for anyone to know whether the outcome might have been different had he been limited to 50mph. To say it would have made no difference whatsoever isn't something you can support
My point is not that there should be a mandated limit of 50mph, or any other number chosen at random, I was simply arguing against JSC's point that excess speed had no part to play. But that is my point. You don't know, he may have been travelling at 45mph. A blanket 50mph limit would not have made a difference. It wouldn't have happened if Bozo the clown hadn't been using his mobile
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Sep 12 2016, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE (Claude @ Sep 12 2016, 11:09 AM) If the vehicle was driving at 50mph or even 40mph, would there have been fatalities? Who knows?!
Of course speed was not the main reason for the accident, but I don't think it's fair to say excess speed played no part. The driver was driving too fast to perform the manoeuvre (of adjusting the music on his phone (allegedly)). Exactly. The speed he was travelling at would have had a material effect on the stopping distance for that HGV. A stopping distance that would have been further lengthened if it was a full load he was carrying. Whether he was picking his nose, lighting a fag or fiddling with his phone, the speed was in excess of that which allowed him to stop in time. It therefore had a part to play. QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Sep 10 2016, 12:15 PM) Excess speed played no part in the latest tragedy on the A34. But still, don't let that stop the uninformed from whining on. He may even have been driving within the current limit, but you primarily drive according to road conditions (weather, how busy it is etc) not speed limits. Either his speed was too fast for the conditions or his brain to footbrake interface was too slow.
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Sep 12 2016, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE (Ron @ Sep 12 2016, 08:34 PM) Or he may have been like a Walkers Crisp lorry last Monday that went all the way up Gore Hill past all the signs saying 7.5 t was the maximum for the right hand lane. Perhaps they were Walkers Lite Crisps?
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Sep 13 2016, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE (Ron @ Sep 12 2016, 08:34 PM) Or he may have been like a Walkers Crisp lorry last Monday that went all the way up Gore Hill past all the signs saying 7.5 t was the maximum for the right hand lane. Or maybe the driver knows that those signs were not enforceable and he was committing no offence
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Sep 13 2016, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE (Ron @ Sep 12 2016, 08:34 PM) Or he may have been like a Walkers Crisp lorry last Monday that went all the way up Gore Hill past all the signs saying 7.5 t was the maximum for the right hand lane. Next time not his Reg No if safe; and then tweet* driver's employer's- they all normally have driving policies their drivers are supposed to adhere to. *https://twitter.com/walkers_crisps
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Sep 13 2016, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE (gel @ Sep 13 2016, 10:17 AM) Next time not his Reg No if safe; and then tweet* driver's employer's- they all normally have driving policies their drivers are supposed to adhere to.
*https://twitter.com/walkers_crisps My passenger did and an e-mail was sent to Walkers. But if as previously stated the signs are not legal then it will probably fall on deaf ears.
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Sep 14 2016, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Sep 13 2016, 01:51 PM) This is the archived detail of the 6 month trial in 2010 There we go again. Deviating from thread topic! Good value for a PC though. Thanks!!
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Sep 14 2016, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Sep 14 2016, 12:56 PM) And what's more people need to get off their ruddy phones ... Indeedy. However, I had a look at the accident statistics to try and make an informed argument around this and I was surprised to see that the accident rate is falling, because I had expected to see it increasing as smart phones become more and more popular, but in the total accident rate there doesn't appear to be the evidence to support the view that mobile phones are causing accidents. But whatever, I would still like to see using a mobile while driving becoming taboo.
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