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Sep 13 2009, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 13 2009, 03:39 PM) Presumably an example of where bollards aren't effective The bollards at the Northern entrance to Northbrook Street aren't operational at present due to road works. However the rules regarding semi-pedestrianisation still apply. Can PCSO's issue a fine or just a warning?
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Sep 13 2009, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 13 2009, 09:10 PM) The bollards at the Northern entrance to Northbrook Street aren't operational at present due to road works.
However the rules regarding semi-pedestrianisation still apply.
Can PCSO's issue a fine or just a warning? As far as I am aware they can issue warnings; I was close enough to hear him say about the fine he is getting.
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Sep 13 2009, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Sep 13 2009, 09:25 PM) I wasn't aware that PCSOs had the authority to stop a vehicle... Yes... I've also seen one detain a suspect.
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Sep 13 2009, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Sep 13 2009, 09:25 PM) I wasn't aware that PCSOs had the authority to stop a vehicle... They don't but if you're daft enough to stop for one, they can call for their mates to come and do the "nicking/fining". I guess anyone can do a citizens arrest, again though, you'd have to let them.
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Sep 13 2009, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 13 2009, 09:33 PM) They don't but if you're daft enough to stop for one, they can call for their mates to come and do the "nicking/fining". I guess anyone can do a citizens arrest, again though, you'd have to let them. The trouble with that theory Strafin was that this PCSO was on his own when he issued a ticket to this motorist.
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Sep 13 2009, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 13 2009, 09:39 PM) They can give out penalty notices I believe; but my point was that they don't have the authority to stop you per se. So if you stop they can give you a ticket, if you don't they can't. I'm sure they would probably report you though. OK, fair point. He probably was issuing you 'penalty notice.'
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Sep 14 2009, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Sep 13 2009, 09:25 PM) I wasn't aware that PCSOs had the authority to stop a vehicle... They don't. It would be interesting to know if they stood in front of your car to stop to moving (whilst waiting for the proper Police to turn up) whether they could be prosecuted themselves for obstruction.
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Sep 14 2009, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Sep 14 2009, 09:58 AM) They don't. It would be interesting to know if they stood in front of your car to stop to moving (whilst waiting for the proper Police to turn up) whether they could be prosecuted themselves for obstruction. No proper police turned up. He issued the fine by himself.
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Sep 14 2009, 10:04 AM
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They have a power to direct traffic...... so if at a road closure they instruct you to stop and turn around you must do so. So you could argue that they have a power to stop a vehicle driving in a pedestrian area. They do not have a power under section 163 Road traffic Act. They could not stop you in a police vehicle whilst your vehicle is moving along. http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/join-pcso-aboutsee here. You will see that most have a traffic label somewhere on there uniform which means they can issue certain non endorsable tickets.
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Sep 14 2009, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE (ossy1 @ Sep 14 2009, 11:04 AM) They have a power to direct traffic...... so if at a road closure they instruct you to stop and turn around you must do so. So you could argue that they have a power to stop a vehicle driving in a pedestrian area. They do not have a power under section 163 Road traffic Act. They could not stop you in a police vehicle whilst your vehicle is moving along. http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/join-pcso-aboutsee here. You will see that most have a traffic label somewhere on there uniform which means they can issue certain non endorsable tickets. Oh no GMR. You must read this post and it's link. Read the 4th bullet point down on "PCSO" uniform. It seems to quite clearly say "shoulder number"! Ohhhhh noooooo!
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Sep 14 2009, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Sep 14 2009, 11:13 AM) Of course it is called a shoulder number... I never said it wasn't called that. But it is also called the other as well. Ummm GMR please see the quote below that I have just taken from one of your many heated debates Stroud Green Trees post #75 "Sorry... I should have said epaulette number ... not shoulder number actually... the only thing is police officers don’t call them shoulder number but epaulette numbers; curious you should say ‘shoulder number.’" This seems to imply that you did say that it wasn't called a 'shoulder number'. Am I being a little pedantic maybe? But I do love to catch people out.
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Sep 14 2009, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE (ossy1 @ Sep 14 2009, 11:04 AM) They have a power to direct traffic...... so if at a road closure they instruct you to stop and turn around you must do so. So you could argue that they have a power to stop a vehicle driving in a pedestrian area. They do not have a power under section 163 Road traffic Act. They could not stop you in a police vehicle whilst your vehicle is moving along Out of interest, why would someone become a PCSO and not a Special?
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