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Simon Kirby
post May 23 2014, 08:16 PM
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I'm thinking about it. I'd like to see the town council reformed and made open and accountable, and I have a centre-left libertarian social conscience which is a reasonable match for LibDem values, so I've been thinking for a while about joining the party for the political platform it could provide.

I'm Apolitical at the moment and I like my Apolitical friends, and I think, as blackdog mentioned in another thread, that local politics would be better without the parties, but once a council is politicised it's a difficult job as an independent. As it happens I don't think the parties are necessarily the problem, I think the problem is that local politicians are not sufficiently independent. Issues at a parish or even district council will not generally touch on national party policy and politicians should be free to vote with their conscience without fear of embarrassing their party by appearing to be disunited. That is a problem of course, because people don't typically like to vote for disunited parties so there is always a desire to subdue differences for the greater good of the party.

Personally I see the party as a vehicle for political ideas and not an end in itself like you might support a football team, and I guess that attitude might create conflict within any party I joined if I wouldn't toe the line. Perhaps there are issues I might be convinced to keep quiet about, but it's a worry that in joining an organised party I'd either need to follow someone else's direction that I didn't agree with, or else create conflict by sticking to my principles. Of course I'd hope that in joining a party which shared my same general bag of values that I wouldn't often be isolated politically, but it could happen.

So anyhoo, Ruwan has invited me, and anyone else for that matter, to become involved, and I'd like to take that forward. I'm pretty sure I'd have Ruwan as a friend, but I'd like to see that the party experience would be relatively social too and not a complete stress-fest, so what I think would be cool is if Ruwan were to assemble a few friendly local LibDems for a meet-and-greet, and I was wondering if I could persuade anyone else to come along in solidarity with a view to joining the LibDems too.

Big ask I know, but if you're as unhappy with Newbury politics as I am then at some point we need to do something about it, and if Ruwan is able to show that we'd be welcome then I'd like to give the LibDems some serious consideration, and I think I'd find that easier in the company of Newts, and if it turns out that the LibDems aren't actually that welcoming then at least we'd have had an enjoyable evening finding that out.

Thoughts?


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- Simon Kirby   Joining the Newbury LibDems   May 23 2014, 08:16 PM
- - On the edge   Count me in. Ruwan is at least trying and he is r...   May 23 2014, 10:04 PM
- - Turin Machine   Good luck with that you two, not my party of choic...   May 23 2014, 10:46 PM
- - motormad   Meh, I would go along but feel it would be far too...   May 23 2014, 11:08 PM
|- - Exhausted   Just think forward with this. You join the LibDems...   May 24 2014, 09:39 AM
- - On the edge   As someone quite famous once said, jaw jaw is alwa...   May 24 2014, 11:25 AM
- - Turin Machine   They will need all the help they can get merely to...   May 24 2014, 11:48 AM
- - Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera   Dear Forum Members, I have plenty of membership f...   May 24 2014, 11:55 AM
|- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ May 24 2...   May 24 2014, 03:31 PM
|- - The Optimist   How does the saying go? "Keep your friends c...   May 24 2014, 04:34 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (The Optimist @ May 24 2014, 05:34 ...   May 24 2014, 05:28 PM
|- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (Cognosco @ May 24 2014, 06:28 PM) ...   May 24 2014, 06:18 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 24 2014, 07:18...   May 24 2014, 06:53 PM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 24 2014, 07:18...   May 24 2014, 07:34 PM
|- - user23   QUOTE (blackdog @ May 24 2014, 08:34 PM) ...   May 24 2014, 08:01 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (user23 @ May 24 2014, 09:01 PM) I ...   May 24 2014, 09:36 PM
||- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 24 2014, 10:36 P...   May 24 2014, 09:45 PM
||- - CharlieF   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 24 2014, 10:45...   May 24 2014, 11:14 PM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (user23 @ May 24 2014, 09:01 PM) I ...   May 24 2014, 11:36 PM
- - CharlieF   QUOTE I'm Apolitical at the moment and I like ...   May 24 2014, 02:48 PM
- - On the edge   Walking in doesn't preclude walking out...but ...   May 24 2014, 05:43 PM
- - Simon Kirby   All cynicism aside, I think joining the Lib Dems i...   May 24 2014, 06:52 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 24 2014, 07:52 P...   May 25 2014, 10:20 AM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ May 25 2014, 11:20 AM)...   May 25 2014, 06:16 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 25 2014, 07:16 P...   May 25 2014, 06:24 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Cognosco @ May 25 2014, 07:24 PM) ...   May 25 2014, 07:15 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 25 2014, 08:15 P...   May 25 2014, 07:24 PM
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||- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Lolly @ May 25 2014, 08:50 PM) It...   May 25 2014, 08:31 PM
|- - pbonnay   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 25 2014, 08:15 P...   May 25 2014, 07:37 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (pbonnay @ May 25 2014, 08:37 PM) I...   May 25 2014, 07:58 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (pbonnay @ May 25 2014, 08:37 PM) I...   May 25 2014, 08:09 PM
|- - pbonnay   QUOTE (On the edge @ May 25 2014, 09:09 P...   May 25 2014, 08:26 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (pbonnay @ May 25 2014, 09:26 PM) N...   May 25 2014, 08:32 PM
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|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ May 25 2014, 08:40 PM)...   May 25 2014, 08:12 PM
- - Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera   Last night I not only got a front row seat but als...   May 26 2014, 09:07 AM
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||- - blackdog   QUOTE (pbonnay @ May 26 2014, 11:20 AM) I...   May 26 2014, 11:59 AM
|- - MontyPython   QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ May 26 2...   May 26 2014, 12:26 PM
|- - Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera   QUOTE (MontyPython @ May 26 2014, 01:26 P...   May 26 2014, 07:54 PM
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|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ May 26 2014, 09:32 PM)...   May 27 2014, 04:10 PM
- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 23 2014, 09:16 P...   May 27 2014, 05:24 PM
|- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 27 2014, 06:24 P...   May 27 2014, 05:39 PM
||- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 27 2014, 06:39...   May 27 2014, 05:53 PM
||- - CharlieF   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 27 2014, 06:53 P...   May 27 2014, 09:32 PM
||- - CharlieF   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 27 2014, 06:53 PM) * I th...   May 27 2014, 09:45 PM
||- - Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera   QUOTE (CharlieF @ May 27 2014, 10:32 PM) ...   May 27 2014, 11:03 PM
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||- - pbonnay   I see Lord Oakeshot is going to be disciplined for...   May 28 2014, 11:07 AM
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|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 27 2014, 06:24 P...   May 27 2014, 06:50 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (On the edge @ May 27 2014, 07:50 P...   May 27 2014, 06:54 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (On the edge @ May 27 2014, 07:50 P...   May 27 2014, 07:23 PM
- - motormad   I doubt they would turn up at the Newt... but invi...   May 27 2014, 08:36 PM
- - On the edge   I'd certainly go along with that, joining a po...   May 28 2014, 06:48 AM
- - CharlieF   QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ May 28 2...   May 28 2014, 12:03 PM
|- - MontyPython   QUOTE (CharlieF @ May 28 2014, 01:03 PM) ...   May 28 2014, 05:39 PM
|- - Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera   QUOTE (CharlieF @ May 28 2014, 01:03 PM) ...   May 28 2014, 07:24 PM
|- - CharlieF   QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ May 28 2...   May 28 2014, 07:44 PM
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|- - MontyPython   QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ May 29 2...   May 29 2014, 02:45 PM
- - Gazzadp   Simon, I have got two lengths of timber one of the...   May 28 2014, 05:57 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Gazzadp @ May 28 2014, 06:57 PM) S...   May 28 2014, 06:08 PM
- - Simon Kirby   Ruwan, returning to the OP; you've asked me he...   May 29 2014, 03:29 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 29 2014, 04:29 P...   May 29 2014, 03:56 PM
||- - Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera   QUOTE (Cognosco @ May 29 2014, 04:56 PM) ...   May 29 2014, 04:28 PM
|- - Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 29 2014, 04:29 P...   May 29 2014, 04:25 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ May 29 2...   May 29 2014, 04:48 PM
- - Turin Machine   Actually, on reflection, go for it. You're go...   May 30 2014, 11:06 PM
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