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desres123
post Aug 26 2013, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Aug 26 2013, 09:03 PM) *
Can you say why it's a rip off? Just because two suppliers charge different amounts for the same product does not make one a rip-off, even if they make a bigger profit. A rip-off needs an unfair advantage, and there's no unfairness here. Yes, you pay more in Newbury, but you can buy fuel elsewhere if you choose. If there is something about Newbury that supports a higher profit to be made from fuel sales then fine, that's how a free market works - the price is higher because the market supports that price.


Its not that the market supports the higher price its because there is no decent competion and its naive to say you can go elsewhere. It is not pratical to drive to reading just to buy fuel unless you are going there to work or do other shopping. Tesco and sainsbury know this thats how they get away with it and i cant see any justification in why they charge more here other than ripping us off its not as if it costs more to supply fuel to the forecourts
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post Aug 26 2013, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 26 2013, 11:52 AM) *
Not really.

Unless you can park directly outside where you drive, then a car is often no better than the train. In some cases it is a far worse option. A trip to central London for instance.



That is the ONLY time I take a train (weekdays)

On weekend trips to London (for example out of hours site visit) I will drive. Costs £2 all day to park most places in London and no congestion charge.
Costs £28 basically for off-peak travel return. It's about 60 miles so let's say at 42mpg it costs me about £15 in fuel there and back.

Ultimately cost is a moot point as being in my car makes me comfortable. I don't mind sitting in traffic in my car but stick me in a train full of other people and it irritates me. On an evironmental basis per mile my car is better on co2 emissions than a train and trains are stupid, archaic forms of transportation anyway.

Taking the train to London makes me miserable. The last time I went, the train we were on (rush hour from Paddington) broke down at Reading and everyone had to get on an already pretty packed train. It was worse than the underground.
All I could smell was BO from sweaty middle aged businessmen who don't know what deodourant is.


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post Aug 26 2013, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Aug 26 2013, 10:03 PM) *
Can you say why it's a rip off?

Yes, because we are charged more than elsewhere without it costing more to deliver it.

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Aug 26 2013, 10:03 PM) *
Just because two suppliers charge different amounts for the same product does not make one a rip-off, even if they make a bigger profit. A rip-off needs an unfair advantage, and there's no unfairness here.

Well clearly there is, otherwise we wouldn't be paying more than elsewhere.

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Aug 26 2013, 10:03 PM) *
Yes, you pay more in Newbury, but you can buy fuel elsewhere if you choose. If there is something about Newbury that supports a higher profit to be made from fuel sales then fine, that's how a free market works - the price is higher because the market supports that price.

Just because it has the appearance of a free market doesn't stop it being a rip-off. We pay more than elsewhere without any reasonable justification: rip-off.

The problem is Simon, is that 'rip-off' is a subjective term, so I doubt we could ever persuade the other on this issue. I'd only concede if it can be shown that it cost more to deliver fuel in Newbury than else where, or it is being delivered with better quality.
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post Aug 27 2013, 12:01 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 26 2013, 05:16 PM) *
And are they?

A cartel would agree to charge higher prices than the norm.

Newbury petrol prices are universally above the norm.

Is a cartel operating? No idea. But if not what is the difference?
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post Aug 27 2013, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 26 2013, 09:58 PM) *
Explain? It is an open area with wide alleys and it has bicycle racks. It is merely an extension of Northbrook Street in which cycling is pemitted, so if cycling suddenly is not permitted, surely a sign asking cyclists to dismount is in order?

If we all needed a sign to tell us that to do something was unsafe and stupid then we would be somewhat innudated with them eh? rolleyes.gif
It is not allowed and illegal to ride bicycles on railway station platforms but there are no signs saying so.
You would think common sense would tell people that it was unsafe to do so however some still do!
QUOTE (newres @ Aug 26 2013, 09:58 PM) *
Why the bitter attitude towards cyclists? Are you too fat to ride one? tongue.gif

I am not "bitter", like I said before I appreciate the benefits of cycling to the individual and society as a whole.
I just wish they would behave in a responsible, safe manner. - that's all! biggrin.gif
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post Aug 27 2013, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 26 2013, 09:47 PM) *
That is why most who cycle do so with care.

Again, I disagree.
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post Aug 27 2013, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Aug 26 2013, 11:16 PM) *
That is the ONLY time I take a train (weekdays)

On weekend trips to London (for example out of hours site visit) I will drive. Costs £2 all day to park most places in London and no congestion charge.
Costs £28 basically for off-peak travel return. It's about 60 miles so let's say at 42mpg it costs me about £15 in fuel there and back.

Ultimately cost is a moot point as being in my car makes me comfortable. I don't mind sitting in traffic in my car but stick me in a train full of other people and it irritates me. On an evironmental basis per mile my car is better on co2 emissions than a train and trains are stupid, archaic forms of transportation anyway.

Taking the train to London makes me miserable. The last time I went, the train we were on (rush hour from Paddington) broke down at Reading and everyone had to get on an already pretty packed train. It was worse than the underground.
All I could smell was BO from sweaty middle aged businessmen who don't know what deodourant is.

So despite your own prejudices you still take the train to central London.

See I was right all along.

Just think what your fellow passengers might have been thinking about you!
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post Aug 27 2013, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 27 2013, 09:26 AM) *
Again, I disagree.

And there is no higher authority? wink.gif
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post Aug 27 2013, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Aug 26 2013, 11:16 PM) *
That is the ONLY time I take a train (weekdays)

On weekend trips to London (for example out of hours site visit) I will drive. Costs £2 all day to park most places in London and no congestion charge.
Costs £28 basically for off-peak travel return. It's about 60 miles so let's say at 42mpg it costs me about £15 in fuel there and back.

Ultimately cost is a moot point as being in my car makes me comfortable. I don't mind sitting in traffic in my car but stick me in a train full of other people and it irritates me. On an evironmental basis per mile my car is better on co2 emissions than a train and trains are stupid, archaic forms of transportation anyway.

Taking the train to London makes me miserable. The last time I went, the train we were on (rush hour from Paddington) broke down at Reading and everyone had to get on an already pretty packed train. It was worse than the underground.
All I could smell was BO from sweaty middle aged businessmen who don't know what deodourant is.

I agree, trains are another rip-off: an expensive way to stand all the way to London. If you go up as a group, its even worse, although discounts can be had.
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post Aug 27 2013, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 27 2013, 10:31 AM) *
I agree, trains are another rip-off: an expensive way to stand all the way to London. If you go up as a group, its even worse, although discounts can be had.

But still you take the train over the car. Which was my point - that the car isn't the be all & end all.

Shame that, unlike the redt of Europe we have not invested in our rail network.

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post Aug 27 2013, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 27 2013, 09:24 AM) *
If we all needed a sign to tell us that to do something was unsafe and stupid then we would be somewhat innudated with them eh? rolleyes.gif It is not allowed and illegal to ride bicycles on railway station platforms but there are no signs saying so.

You would think common sense would tell people that it was unsafe to do so however some still do!

Like breaking the speed limit, it is not always unsafe to do so, albeit against the law. Cycling in the high street is not dangerous if one is careful, notwithstanding one is permitted to do so, so I will cycle on it. If it is too busy, then I will dismount. It depends on the circumstances.
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post Aug 27 2013, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Aug 27 2013, 12:16 AM) *
All I could smell was BO from sweaty middle aged businessmen who don't know what deodourant is.

I'm middle aged but not sweaty or a businessman but what's "deodourant"? tongue.gif wink.gif
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post Aug 27 2013, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 27 2013, 11:27 AM) *
And there is no higher authority? wink.gif

No!! tongue.gif
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 27 2013, 10:37 AM) *
But still you take the train over the car. Which was my point - that the car isn't the be all & end all.

That is not always true. If I go to London it would be more likely by car as it is much cheaper to do so as a group; however, I have been by train, but that is because either: it is paid for, we all intend on having a drink, or someone in the family has entitlement to discounts (works for GW). The cost of using the train for me is prohibitive except for extraordinary journeys.
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post Aug 27 2013, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 27 2013, 10:40 AM) *
I'm middle aged but not sweaty or a businessman but what's "deodourant"? tongue.gif wink.gif


It's an naggarma.

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 27 2013, 09:29 AM) *
So despite your own prejudices you still take the train to central London.

See I was right all along.

Just think what your fellow passengers might have been thinking about you!


You really are an idiot aren't you.

If I am going to London work pays for my train ticket and give it to me. Driving into London in the day would cost me substantilly more on the weekdays. Congestion charge is basically a tenner plus it's £18 to park all day if you can find a space. I'm not a complete moron.
They are probably thinking "my, who's that attractive, sexy man with beautiful eyes". - even the blokes. I'm like Justin Beiber.

I don't like needles but i wouldn't not go to the doctor to get a shot if I had to.


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post Aug 27 2013, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Aug 27 2013, 11:55 AM) *
It's an naggarma.



You really are an idiot aren't you.

If I am going to London work pays for my train ticket and give it to me. Driving into London in the day would cost me substantilly more on the weekdays. Congestion charge is basically a tenner plus it's £18 to park all day if you can find a space. I'm not a complete moron.They are probably thinking "my, who's that attractive, sexy man with beautiful eyes". - even the blokes. I'm like Justin Beiber.

I don't like needles but i wouldn't not go to the doctor to get a shot if I had to.

Just like I said.

Sometimes the train is better.

say it slowly, I know you can. You can have a few tinnies as well on the way home. Result.
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post Aug 27 2013, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Aug 27 2013, 11:55 AM) *
Congestion charge is basically a tenner plus it's £18 to park all day if you can find a space.

How about a hybrid journey? I found a site where private individuals outside the congestion zone and close to underground stations hire out their drives for 4-5 quid a day. You book a free date on line. Sounds like a good idea to me.
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post Aug 27 2013, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Aug 27 2013, 01:01 AM) *
A cartel would agree to charge higher prices than the norm.

Newbury petrol prices are universally above the norm.

Is a cartel operating? No idea. But if not what is the difference?
This is also true of local house prices.

Should their price be regulated and perhaps brought down to the national average to avoid property buyers being ripped off?
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post Aug 27 2013, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 27 2013, 05:52 PM) *
This is also true of local house prices.

Should their price be regulated and perhaps brought down to the national average to avoid property buyers being ripped off?

petrol is a little more homogenous than a house..........

I mean I was at the Vineyard & a 125ml of house wine is £8.00. Thing is you can get a bottle of house wine in the Bacon arms for £6.99. Is one a rip off?
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post Aug 27 2013, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Aug 27 2013, 04:54 PM) *
How about a hybrid journey? I found a site where private individuals outside the congestion zone and close to underground stations hire out their drives for 4-5 quid a day. You book a free date on line. Sounds like a good idea to me.

I recently did that, it was ideal. Would have been close to £70 for me and the missus on the train. £120 on a weekday. Instead we paid about £15 in fuel, a tenner for the parking and a tenner for the underground.
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