What does litter on the A339 say about Newbury? Options

[Andy Capp]

Just like driving without a seatbelt, over 16s are then subject to their own fine but they do not get penalty points.

It's not going to happen. So I'm not going to bother arguing with you, as we all known you like to be pedantic. You are clueless in this topic at least, this is evident already. Andy Capp by name and nature.

There's nothing to be pedantic about, indeed, it is you that is being pedantic, but despising litter-bugs is something to promote. Especially all that which comes from lowered Saxos, Pugs et al. (that's me trolling BTW).

[motormad]

Despising litter bugs is fine, punishing DRIVERS for it is not the right thing.
I'm above your trolling, I'm sure you've seen my car about, none of my mates have Saxos Although I once went in one and came out smelling like Lynx.

[dannyboy]

Despising litter bugs is fine, punishing DRIVERS for it is not the right thing.
I'm above your trolling, I'm sure you've seen my car about, none of my mates have Saxos Although I once went in one and came out smelling like Lynx.

When you are driving you are responsible for that vehicle. And anything that falls from it.

Get over it. Or just lock the pasenger windows.

[Andy Capp]

Despising litter bugs is fine, punishing DRIVERS for it is not the right thing.

Technically it might be, but I hate the way people think it is appropriate to litter the roads with their junk food leftovers because it might make their car untidy. Alternately, close the stinking restaurants down, or compel them by law to go and tidy up after their inbreed customers have made the mess.

This issue brings the bigot out of me.

I'm above your trolling, I'm sure you've seen my car about, none of my mates have Saxos Although I once went in one and came out smelling like Lynx.

I haven't seen you car TBH.

[blackdog]

The idea of any penalty is to deter the behaviour that is to be penalised.

To work a penalty must i) be enforced and ii) be of a nature that would deter.

Fines and community service don't seem to be effective enough - whereas a driving bann, or points towards one, would seem to be something that many do see as a more serious punishment.

I see no reason why they should be limited to driving offences - if possible loss of a licence would do more to deter a shop-lifter, litterer, etc than a fine or community service, then it seems a sensible idea to consider it as a penalty.

[dannyboy]

The idea of any penalty is to deter the behaviour that is to be penalised.

To work a penalty must i) be enforced and ii) be of a nature that would deter.

Fines and community service don't seem to be effective enough - whereas a driving bann, or points towards one, would seem to be something that many do see as a more serious punishment.

I see no reason why they should be limited to driving offences - if possible loss of a licence would do more to deter a shop-lifter, litterer, etc than a fine or community service, then it seems a sensible idea to consider it as a penalty.

Looks like they would work - the idea certainly seems to have put the wind up motoxjaymad.

[motormad]

Everyone knows who I am, and I even show my face at the Newt Of Orme meets, what do you do? Steviegirl.

The idea of any penalty is to deter the behaviour that is to be penalised.

To work a penalty must i) be enforced and ii) be of a nature that would deter.

Fines and community service don't seem to be effective enough - whereas a driving bann, or points towards one, would seem to be something that many do see as a more serious punishment.

I see no reason why they should be limited to driving offences - if possible loss of a licence would do more to deter a shop-lifter, litterer, etc than a fine or community service, then it seems a sensible idea to consider it as a penalty.

Right.................
Because what do you do for people who don't have a driving license?
Straight away that is proven it's not a good way of doing it.

Locking the windows, what a silly thing to say.

[dannyboy]

Locking the windows, what a silly thing to say.

or, don't let trash be thrown from your car.

If I was driving & one of my passengers checked anything from the window, they'd soon not be a passenger.

[Turin Machine]

There's nothing to be pedantic about, indeed, it is you that is being pedantic, but despising litter-bugs is something to promote. Especially all that which comes from lowered Saxos, Pugs et al. (that's me trolling BTW).

Harsh, tres harsh.

[Turin Machine]

or, don't let trash be thrown from your car.

If I was driving & one of my passengers checked anything from the window, they'd soon not be a passenger.

Quite right, its called exercising responsability.

[motormad]

or, don't let trash be thrown from your car.

If I was driving & one of my passengers checked anything from the window, they'd soon not be a passenger.

but you'd still get 3 points for it...!!!

[dannyboy]

but you'd still get 3 points for it...!!!

If it was the law that drivers of vehicles could be endorssed should passengers throw litter from the window, I'd never have let the situation arise.

Currently, if a passenger in my car chiucked something from the window - they'd soon by walking.

[motormad]

But while driving you can't always be paying complete attention to what your PASSENGERS are doing.
It can be argued that infact they would be a distraction if you were.

Ergo regardless of your actions after the fact, you could not get away from the fact you'd still have points on your license.

The law has to be equal and fair to everyone. You cannot get a £60 fine and 3 points if you happen to own a driving license, but if you don't have a driving license then you get no points.. that is idiotic, just like the suggestion to punish non-motoring related offenses with motoring related points.

[dannyboy]

But while driving you can't always be paying complete attention to what your PASSENGERS are doing.
It can be argued that infact they would be a distraction if you were.

Ergo regardless of your actions after the fact, you could not get away from the fact you'd still have points on your license.

The law has to be equal and fair to everyone. You cannot get a £60 fine and 3 points if you happen to own a driving license, but if you don't have a driving license then you get no points.. that is idiotic, just like the suggestion to punish non-motoring related offenses with motoring related points.

**** right they would be.

when driving you have to give the car, your passengers, the road & other road users your full attention.

If you feel that your passengers could endanger you ( such as by being a distraction ) , your license or other road users you should not be driving them around.

it may seem idiotic, it may seem like a kill joy attitude - but driving is a privilege, not a right.

[Andy Capp]

But while driving you can't always be paying complete attention to what your PASSENGERS are doing.
It can be argued that infact they would be a distraction if you were.

Ergo regardless of your actions after the fact, you could not get away from the fact you'd still have points on your license.

The law has to be equal and fair to everyone. You cannot get a £60 fine and 3 points if you happen to own a driving license, but if you don't have a driving license then you get no points.. that is idiotic, just like the suggestion to punish non-motoring related offenses with motoring related points.

Litter falling from a car, for me, is a motoring offence, whether it comes from the driver or not. If you cannot stop litter falling from your car, stay off the road.

[motormad]

Litter falling from a car, for me, is a motoring offence, whether it comes from the driver or not. If you cannot stop litter falling from your car, stay off the road.

Lol okay.

[motormad]

**** right they would be.

when driving you have to give the car, your passengers, the road & other road users your full attention.

If you feel that your passengers could endanger you ( such as by being a distraction ) , your license or other road users you should not be driving them around.

it may seem idiotic, it may seem like a kill joy attitude - but driving is a privilege, not a right.

They don't cause ME a distraction, but some people are so overwhelmed by the art of moving a big circular thing and pressing a few pedals they need complete concentration on the road ahead at all times.
It's nothing to do with driving being a priveledge, it's to do with the fact that law can not punish a non-motoring related crime in a motoring related way. Because for those who do NOT drive, who commit the same crime, would get a completely different punishment.

[Andy Capp]

They don't cause ME a distraction, but some people are so overwhelmed by the art of moving a big circular thing and pressing a few pedals they need complete concentration on the road ahead at all times.
It's nothing to do with driving being a priveledge, it's to do with the fact that law can not punish a non-motoring related crime in a motoring related way. Because for those who do NOT drive, who commit the same crime, would get a completely different punishment.

Just create a law that says litter must not fall from your car. Discretions could be had for people who stop and recover the litter.

[motormad]

Just create a law that says litter must not fall from your car. Discretions could be had for people who stop and recover the litter.

Yes, let's stop on a 50-60 mile an hour road with no laybys.

[Andy Capp]

Yes, let's stop on a 50-60 mile an hour road with no laybys.

Then no discretions. Just trying to be nice.