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Does Newbury need another coffee Shop?, Even less reason to "Shop at Parkway" |
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Jun 7 2012, 07:58 AM
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QUOTE (Grumpy @ Jun 7 2012, 08:40 AM) http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/lavazza...shop-in-newburyHow many eateries/coffee shops can Newbury sustain? Very little chance of anyone being brave enough to take one of the units under the cinema. If it succeeds then yes, if it or another one fails because of it, then no.
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Jun 7 2012, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE (Grumpy @ Jun 7 2012, 08:40 AM) How many eateries/coffee shops can Newbury sustain? All the while it's tricky to find somewhere to sit during most of the day in Costa/Starbucks or any of the other town centre coffee places then I imagine that it will do just fine.
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Jun 7 2012, 08:56 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 7 2012, 08:58 AM) If it succeeds then yes, if it or another one fails because of it, then no. Lets see now We have Costa Coffee Northbrook street, Costa Coffee Parkway, Boswells Kennet Centre, Munchies Kennet Centre, Cafe Nero Kennet Centre, The Juice come coffee bar in West Mills, Camp Hopsons, Marks and Spencer, John Lewis, Hetheringtons Broadway Hetheringtons Bartholomew The Coffee Shop in Weavers Walk Starbucks. The Christian owned and run one plus the other that make great sandwiches whose name escapes me in the Arcade The baguette house in Northcroft lane A sandwich bar in the Bartholomew Street The sandwich bar in Inches Yard The Empire Cafe in Cheap Street. Then the little coffee shop come French cafe in the Wharf and the great little coffee shop come cafe tea shop in the Stone Building, The Corn Exchange coffee bar is now run by the same people. MacDonald’s The market Place we have Ask The Spanish Tappas, they both sell coffee inside and out. There is also a little Portuguese sandwich /coffee shop in the Market Place as well So that is I think that is about 24 outlets where you can buy a coffee. 25 if you count the Cornish Pasty Shop. There is no doubt a little over supply at this time. I know for certain that Cost in Northbrook Street and Camps are very down on trade and at some point something will have to give, Starbucks are hit very hard, that’s just market forces, the council at some point will start to think about 'user' but at this time they are just desperate to help fill Parkway that is also under performing in general terms. I am surprised that Lavazza have taken the bold step, I would not invest my cash into that location. Of course the Hatchet now also sells coffee as do other town centre pubs. The wiser money would stay away, but the difficulty with large operations such as the type that Lavazza wish to be is that they believe all the marketing hype, some of us know that the demographics in Newbury won’t support this level in the longer term and all we are doing is robbing Peter to pay Paul with town centre trade. The town faces even greater pressure in economic terms in the months to come. In my business we remain very cautious and we are keeping a very close watch on costs. Of course we have to be outwardly positive, but it’s fool who does not say The King is not wearing any clothes !
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Jun 7 2012, 09:10 AM
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Worried I think you're missing the point. There's a difference between a COFFEE SHOP and a shop that sells coffee. I'm sure I could buy coffee in all manner of places, in fact Ridgeway VW and Ford dealers at the retail park have coffee machines, why don't you add them to the list? You'll have 27 then.. Coffee shops are where middle aged (so only slightly older than me) women congregate to discuss men, babies, tampons and that yoghurt with some Biffidus Madeupium or whatever it's called, and how they always have that bloated feeling because they are too stuck up to fart.
If you go to a restaurant you generally have normal people, who buy a larger meal - these are places where you may go to avoid having to cook, or on a date with a nice lady, or take a relative out for a silly yearly occurrence such as Fathers or Mothers Day, birthdays or Christmas. You see? There's a difference..
The only thing is having 2 Costa's so close to each other..
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Jun 7 2012, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE (Timbo @ Jun 7 2012, 10:10 AM) Worried I think you're missing the point. There's a difference between a COFFEE SHOP and a shop that sells coffee. I'm sure I could buy coffee in all manner of places, in fact Ridgeway VW and Ford dealers at the retail park have coffee machines, why don't you add them to the list? You'll have 27 then.. Agreed. It's largely self regulating anyway. If there isn't enough trade for all the coffee places in town then the worst performing ones will go. They will have to ask themselves why they are the worst performing ones. Whenever I've been to Costa in Northbrook street there has always been a queue and often it's hard to find somewhere to sit. I've given up going to Starbucks because I can never find anywhere to sit in there.
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Jun 7 2012, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE (worried @ Jun 7 2012, 09:56 AM) Lets see now
We have Costa Coffee Northbrook street, Costa Coffee Parkway, Boswells Kennet Centre, Munchies Kennet Centre, Cafe Nero Kennet Centre, The Juice come coffee bar in West Mills, Camp Hopsons, Marks and Spencer, John Lewis, Hetheringtons Broadway Hetheringtons Bartholomew The Coffee Shop in Weavers Walk Starbucks. The Christian owned and run one plus the other that make great sandwiches whose name escapes me in the Arcade The baguette house in Northcroft lane A sandwich bar in the Bartholomew Street The sandwich bar in Inches Yard The Empire Cafe in Cheap Street. Then the little coffee shop come French cafe in the Wharf and the great little coffee shop come cafe tea shop in the Stone Building, The Corn Exchange coffee bar is now run by the same people. MacDonald’s The market Place we have Ask The Spanish Tappas, they both sell coffee inside and out. There is also a little Portuguese sandwich /coffee shop in the Market Place as well
So that is I think that is about 24 outlets where you can buy a coffee. 25 if you count the Cornish Pasty Shop. There is no doubt a little over supply at this time. I know for certain that Cost in Northbrook Street and Camps are very down on trade and at some point something will have to give, Starbucks are hit very hard, that’s just market forces, the council at some point will start to think about 'user' but at this time they are just desperate to help fill Parkway that is also under performing in general terms. I am surprised that Lavazza have taken the bold step, I would not invest my cash into that location. Of course the Hatchet now also sells coffee as do other town centre pubs.
The wiser money would stay away, but the difficulty with large operations such as the type that Lavazza wish to be is that they believe all the marketing hype, some of us know that the demographics in Newbury won’t support this level in the longer term and all we are doing is robbing Peter to pay Paul with town centre trade.
The town faces even greater pressure in economic terms in the months to come. In my business we remain very cautious and we are keeping a very close watch on costs. Of course we have to be outwardly positive, but it’s fool who does not say The King is not wearing any clothes ! It's all a matter of supply & demand - simple as that. If there is no demand then the business will not succeed. It's a bit like locals saying they do not want a new Tesco in the area. If they don't want it then who are the people who use it? As I have said before - the people get what the people want.
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Jun 7 2012, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 7 2012, 10:31 AM) Not missing any point, we could talk about Costa at the retail park too and the costa inside tesco at the retail park and the coffee shop inside M and S at the Retail park and the Starbucks inside the clothes retailer whose name escapes me. Coffee is what people like to do, just to sit and watch the world go by, it's very much a leisure activity at the moment. The point if there is one to make is that there is a market driven over supply, (the strongest forgive the pun) of the mainstream coffee shops will survive. I hope Lavazza does ok because at the bottom of all this is local people doing local work and we don't want people to lose hard won jobs. By the way I would never but a coffee in a car dealership !
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Jun 7 2012, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE (worried @ Jun 7 2012, 12:23 PM) Not missing any point, we could talk about Costa at the retail park too and the costa inside tesco at the retail park and the coffee shop inside M and S at the Retail park and the Starbucks inside the clothes retailer whose name escapes me.
Coffee is what people like to do, just to sit and watch the world go by, it's very much a leisure activity at the moment. The point if there is one to make is that there is a market driven over supply, (the strongest forgive the pun) of the mainstream coffee shops will survive. I hope Lavazza does ok because at the bottom of all this is local people doing local work and we don't want people to lose hard won jobs.
By the way I would never but a coffee in a car dealership ! You can also get coffee is most, if not all, the 30 or so pubs in town - but they, like most of the other examples are not primarily there to sell coffee. Starbucks, Nero, Costa and one or two more are the competition for Lavazza - all of whom will get my trade in preference to Lavazza if it is decorated like the photograph in the online article. As for coffee at car dealerships - I usually have a couple - part of this is down to it being free. Though I have never gone to a dealership just to get a cup of coffee.
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Jun 7 2012, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE (Grumpy @ Jun 7 2012, 01:19 PM) Reducing their prices might help. What & run the risk of having to sit next to you in there?!?
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Jun 7 2012, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE (Grumpy @ Jun 7 2012, 08:40 AM) May I recommend Silva Robinson in the Market Place, run by my friend Steve and his wife Augusta? As well as serving excellent coffee which recently won a competition, the business is also a delicatessen selling an amazing range of Portuguese food. It is a local business and not a part of an impersonal, multi-national chain.
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