Benyon: repeal the hunting act to reduce fox's suffering Options

[Andy Capp]

So in the recent NWN Q&A Benyon believes more foxes have suffered since the hunting act was introduced and he would vote to repeal the act.

What a terd.

[newres]

So in the recent NWN Q&A Benyon believes more foxes have suffered since the hunting act was introduced and he would vote to repeal the act.

What a terd.

Agreed. Knob. With luck he'll lose his seat.

[gel]

No doubt like Cameron he's fully paid up member of hunting & shooting fraternity.

[je suis Charlie]

Agreed. Knob. With luck he'll lose his seat.

Dream on.

[Simon Kirby]

So in the recent NWN Q&A Benyon believes more foxes have suffered since the hunting act was introduced and he would vote to repeal the act.

What a terd.

Fox hunting needs to be consigned to history.

[Andy Capp]

Voting Lib Dem. I don't like them, but I am not voting for a fox hunter.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Voting Lib Dem. I don't like them, but I am not voting for a fox hunter.

Where's Richard Pryor!!!!
Don't like Benyon. Worst kind of Tory.
The rest... Unelectable.
Will vote. May be a spoilt paper for the 1st time in my life.

[Simon Kirby]

Voting Lib Dem. I don't like them, but I am not voting for a fox hunter.

Last I heard Bunting was saying that she had not dismissed the possibility of abstaining on a vote. Has she said more definitively that she opposes fox hunting? Labour's Skirvin is very much opposed to fox hunting, as is Field, the Green candidate.

[Andy Capp]

Last I heard Bunting was saying that she had not dismissed the possibility of abstaining on a vote. Has she said more definitively that she opposes fox hunting? Labour's Skirvin is very much opposed to fox hunting, as is Field, the Green candidate.

Mine is based the best possibly way I might vote to avoid an overwhelming tory victory. We don't need a labour victory, just not a strong tory one. Although I feel that is what is coming.

[je suis Charlie]

Fox and chips, wonder if I can hunt them using a range rover? Now that'll be fun! 🐺. I can hang the tails off the rear wiper. Start a new fashion. 🙌. All da ladees be like. 💏. I be like 💃 might see if I can organise leagues an get it televised. Sorted, where me keys an me lamp.

[Andy Capp]

Fox and chips, wonder if I can hunt them using a range rover? Now that'll be fun! 🐺. I can hang the tails off the rear wiper. Start a new fashion. 🙌. All da ladees be like. 💏. I be like 💃 might see if I can organise leagues an get it televised. Sorted, where me keys an me lamp.

I doubt your shiny Vogue will ever get beyond 5 degrees, let alone muddy. 😋

[je suis Charlie]

I doubt your shiny Vogue will ever get beyond 5 degrees, let alone muddy. ��

Sport buddy, sport. Its not for getting muddy, its for driving past Aldi and Lidl, show the feckless what they might of got instead of spending their dole money on pizza an special brew. Ahh, good times. Can I interest you in some nice fox fur? Make a nice coat for de missus.

[x2lls]

Sport buddy, sport. Its not for getting muddy, its for driving past Aldi and Lidl, show the feckless what they might of got instead of spending their dole money on pizza an special brew. Ahh, good times. Can I interest you in some nice fox fur? Make a nice coat for de missus.

Great days to be had. The bracing air of the morning, the smell of horsesh1t and antifa masked morons who claim to be lovely cuddly people, yet get violent if you stop their benfits. Yep, just the days for me.

[Andy Capp]

Make sure your gate operates properly and your CCTV is set to record.

[On the edge]

Make sure your gate operates properly and your CCTV is set to record.

...another reason why we need a Labour government. If we do, the hunt supporters have said they'd leave the Country.

[Berkshirelad]

Sport buddy, sport. Its not for getting muddy, its for driving past Aldi and Lidl, show the feckless what they might of got instead of spending their dole money on pizza an special brew. Ahh, good times. Can I interest you in some nice fox fur? Make a nice coat for de missus.

Not a real Range Rover then; just a re-bodied Discovery

[je suis Charlie]

Not a real Range Rover then; just a re-bodied Discovery

Oh, ok then, its a £75k disco. I bow to your (obviously) Superior knowledge.

[je suis Charlie]

Make sure your gate operates properly and your CCTV is set to record.

So you can get some nice shots as I drive in fluttering me wad at da camera. Ha Range Rover rules, ford just drools.

[newres]

Oh, ok then, its a £75k disco. I bow to your (obviously) Superior knowledge.

With a broken radio.

[je suis Charlie]

With a broken radio.

👍

[On the edge]

So you can get some nice shots as I drive in fluttering me wad at da camera. Ha Range Rover rules, ford just drools.

Range Rover? oh come on je suis, our copier man has just got one because its better than his Beema for all the bulky bits he has to carry.

[je suis Charlie]

Range Rover? oh come on je suis, our copier man has just got one because its better than his Beema for all the bulky bits he has to carry.

Yeah rite! Still when it's a couple of years old I can give mine to the gardener.

[On the edge]

Yeah rite! Still when it's a couple of years old I can give mine to the gardener.

Got to hand it to you, I wondered why a Land Rover; as tax scams go, it's almost legit! No wonder you don't want Labour shoving up the minimum wage.

[je suis Charlie]

Got to hand it to you, I wondered why a Land Rover; as tax scams go, it's almost legit! No wonder you don't want Labour shoving up the minimum wage.

Silly boy, it's known as 'creative accounting'. 💰

[Berkshirelad]

Oh, ok then, its a £75k disco. I bow to your (obviously) Superior knowledge.

Not superior knowledge; just ownership of the full-fat gas guzzler version

[Turin Machine]

Not superior knowledge; just ownership of the full-fat gas guzzler version

That sounds interesting, what is it you drive?

[newres]

That sounds interesting, what is it you drive?

He may not feel the need to brag about his wealth. Not everyone does.

[Turin Machine]

He may not feel the need to brag about his wealth. Not everyone does.

I was just asking out of interest, still sore are we? Just remember "there's no honour in driving a ford".

[newres]

I was just asking out of interest, still sore are we? Just remember "there's no honour in driving a ford".

I'd rather judge people on their intelligence than the car they drive. Usually the only thing that can be judged about people that brag about their car is that their ***** size very likely to be diminutive. Also, if someone happens to know the model number of the current Mercedes E class, I think we can determine a lot about that person's personality.

Grammar's important too. Ford is a noun.

[Andy Capp]

Grammar's important too: Ford is a proper noun.

[je suis Charlie]

I'd rather judge people on their intelligence than the car they drive. Usually the only thing that can be judged about people that brag about their car is that their ***** size very likely to be diminutive. Also, if someone happens to know the model number of the current Mercedes E class, I think we can determine a lot about that person's personality.

Grammar's important too. Ford is a noun.

I see that having an interest and knowledge of cars is soon to be a crime under Labour then? You really are a sad little man newres. Sad.

[Turin Machine]

Newres, starting fights in phone boxes since 1984 "The old firm" 😵

[TallDarkAndHands...]

I see that having an interest and knowledge of cars is soon to be a crime under Labour then? You really are a sad little man newres. Sad.

Leave newres alone. The second coming of JC will have to wait. Unless he crokes b4hand. He is a bit old now....
Anyway May is now in bed with the DUP. Just waiting for Jesus Christ, I mean Jeremy Corbyn to criticise fraternisation with ex terrorist organisations....

[On the edge]

I see that having an interest and knowledge of cars is soon to be a crime under Labour then? You really are a sad little man newres. Sad.

That's utter rubbish Je Suis and you know it, it's not interest and knowledge of cars to be made a crime, just ownership. Buy a bike; whilst you can.

[Turin Machine]

That's utter rubbish Je Suis and you know it, it's not interest and knowledge of cars to be made a crime, just ownership. Buy a bike; whilst you can.

Got one, in the garage. Honda CBR.

[SirWilliam]

Forgive my ignorance but what has the make/model of transport parked in the drive have to do with fox hunting ?
I profess to knowing very little about boxes on rubber wheels but I do have a wider insight into the " the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable " pastime .
In days of yore the landed gentry divided quite happily between the shooting fraternity , who slaughtered every fox in the vicinity so as to raise copious amounts of game birds for the sole purpose of .... shooting them , and the hunting brigade who sought to facilitate the breeding of as many numbers of Vulpes vulpes as possible , for the dubious pleasure of chasing them across a muddy field whilst astride a large piece of horse meat . This " quaint " rural idiosyncrasy existed side by side quite happily, until some left wing activist who probably did not know a fox from a feasant ( sic ), thought it would kick the idle rich in the nether regions by abolishing it .
So £millions of tax payers money was poured into producing a situation where it is illegal to chase a fox with a pack of dogs but not to chase after your dogs who just happen to be chasing a fox . Bloody absurd !!!!
If you wish to prevent animal cruelty then look closer to home .

More wildlife , of all species , are slaughtered on our roads than all the other reasons combined but any suggestion of the automobile being abolished would be met with hoots of derision .
Thank you for the opportunity to express my view , you may now return to the relative safety of your respective 4x4s.

[Turin Machine]

Forgive my ignorance but what has the make/model of transport parked in the drive have to do with fox hunting ?
I profess to knowing very little about boxes on rubber wheels but I do have a wider insight into the " the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable " pastime .
In days of yore the landed gentry divided quite happily between the shooting fraternity , who slaughtered every fox in the vicinity so as to raise copious amounts of game birds for the sole purpose of .... shooting them , and the hunting brigade who sought to facilitate the breeding of as many numbers of Vulpes vulpes as possible , for the dubious pleasure of chasing them across a muddy field whilst astride a large piece of horse meat . This " quaint " rural idiosyncrasy existed side by side quite happily, until some left wing activist who probably did not know a fox from a feasant ( sic ), thought it would kick the idle rich in the nether regions by abolishing it .
So £millions of tax payers money was poured into producing a situation where it is illegal to chase a fox with a pack of dogs but not to chase after your dogs who just happen to be chasing a fox . Bloody absurd !!!!
If you wish to prevent animal cruelty then look closer to home .

More wildlife , of all species , are slaughtered on our roads than all the other reasons combined but any suggestion of the automobile being abolished would be met with hoots of derision .
Thank you for the opportunity to express my view , you may now return to the relative safety of your respective 4x4s.

And why, is there not more outcry regarding the continued slaughter of Mr Badger?

[Andy Capp]

The position of any particular cruel activity on a cruelty scale, doesn't in my view mean that it should be permisable. That is to say, how cruel an activity is compared to another doesn't justify it.

I see the hunting bill as a class war bill, but that doesn't mean it wasn't credible; however, I do agree there are bigger issues reguards animal welfare than hunting with hounds.

[Cognosco]

The position of any particular cruel activity on a cruelty scale, doesn't in my view mean that it should be permisable. That is to say, how cruel an activity is compared to another doesn't justify it.

I see the hunting bill as a class war bill, but that doesn't mean it wasn't credible; however, I do agree there are bigger issues reguards animal welfare than hunting with hounds.

It may be a good thing St. Theresa was given a bloody nose or we may have ended up with the Tories bringing back hunting the Peasants again!

[Turin Machine]

Thought for today.
Instead of foxes, why not hunt Corbyn clones? Seriously, clone a whole bunch in some vats, dress them in corduroy give them a boring whiney voice and set them loose! Great fun. Any that escape can, like peasants (sorry, meant of course Pheasants). go feral in the woods and headlands.

[On the edge]

Forgive my ignorance but what has the make/model of transport parked in the drive have to do with fox hunting ?
I profess to knowing very little about boxes on rubber wheels but I do have a wider insight into the " the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable " pastime .
In days of yore the landed gentry divided quite happily between the shooting fraternity , who slaughtered every fox in the vicinity so as to raise copious amounts of game birds for the sole purpose of .... shooting them , and the hunting brigade who sought to facilitate the breeding of as many numbers of Vulpes vulpes as possible , for the dubious pleasure of chasing them across a muddy field whilst astride a large piece of horse meat . This " quaint " rural idiosyncrasy existed side by side quite happily, until some left wing activist who probably did not know a fox from a feasant ( sic ), thought it would kick the idle rich in the nether regions by abolishing it .
So £millions of tax payers money was poured into producing a situation where it is illegal to chase a fox with a pack of dogs but not to chase after your dogs who just happen to be chasing a fox . Bloody absurd !!!!
If you wish to prevent animal cruelty then look closer to home .

More wildlife , of all species , are slaughtered on our roads than all the other reasons combined but any suggestion of the automobile being abolished would be met with hoots of derision .
Thank you for the opportunity to express my view , you may now return to the relative safety of your respective 4x4s.

Much the same could be said of former townie sports like bear bateing, c0ck fighting etc. Presumably, you and the farming community also resent the cost of stunning your livestock when it is sent for slaughter?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Much the same could be said of former townie sports like bear bateing, c0ck fighting etc. Presumably, you and the farming community also resent the cost of stunning your livestock when it is sent for slaughter?

No need to worry about stunning. If its Ok for one community its Ok for the British farmer.

[On the edge]

No need to worry about stunning. If its Ok for one community its Ok for the British farmer.

Worrying, you are seeing every problem in terms of Islam, it's taking a hold TDH!

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Worrying, you are seeing every problem in terms of Islam, it's taking a hold TDH!

Who mentioned Islam? Not me. Do you defend this particular practice then?

[On the edge]

Who mentioned Islam? Not me. Do you defend this particular practice then?

Oh come on TDH! Of course you didn't .....directly.

No I don't condone or defend the practice and to register that joined a group lobbying ministers to get it stopped. Have you? Ironic that the NFU have been arguing about penny returns on milk production but keep quiet about this potential cost saving.

[SirWilliam]

As far as the animal is concerned it matters not one jot who's name it is killed in , death is death . To place one furry creature in the "protect me " box whilst turning a blind eye to the welfare of his cousin seems a little hypocritical .
To answer those who think the farming community condones the barbarism of the halal slaughterhouse shows how out of touch with reality the average town dweller is . We breed animals for food because we are too damned lazy to go hunting . Vegetarians apart , we are omnivorous as a species and therefore require alarming quantities of protein in the form of meat . The quality of the finished article is directly proportional to the welfare it receives in it's live state and that is only achieved by selfish husbandry , which in turn demands an element of compassion . To then see their hard work simply suffer at the hands of those to ignorant to know different is plainly unacceptable , but outside their control .
Ever wondered where all the songbirds have gone ? Blame the farmer , blame johnny foreigner on the banks of the Mediterranean with his shotgun , even the EU referendum result but how many look at the family cat who has spent the night raiding the surrounding gardens ?
The whole planet is one massive feeding machine and will continue to be so long after we , as a species , have gone the way of the dinosaur .

[je suis Charlie]

One of the worst things was to ban local slaughter, animals now get packed into trucks in the most appalling conditions only to end their suffering all too often at the hands of some petty little sadist.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

As far as the animal is concerned it matters not one jot who's name it is killed in , death is death . To place one furry creature in the "protect me " box whilst turning a blind eye to the welfare of his cousin seems a little hypocritical .
To answer those who think the farming community condones the barbarism of the halal slaughterhouse shows how out of touch with reality the average town dweller is . We breed animals for food because we are too damned lazy to go hunting . Vegetarians apart , we are omnivorous as a species and therefore require alarming quantities of protein in the form of meat . The quality of the finished article is directly proportional to the welfare it receives in it's live state and that is only achieved by selfish husbandry , which in turn demands an element of compassion . To then see their hard work simply suffer at the hands of those to ignorant to know different is plainly unacceptable , but outside their control .
Ever wondered where all the songbirds have gone ? Blame the farmer , blame johnny foreigner on the banks of the Mediterranean with his shotgun , even the EU referendum result but how many look at the family cat who has spent the night raiding the surrounding gardens ?
The whole planet is one massive feeding machine and will continue to be so long after we , as a species , have gone the way of the dinosaur .

Yeah but Cats are cute to the townie. And foxes.. No fooking clue. The lot. They all want to live in Corbynland. A fantasy land. He is a marxist. Always will be. If he gets in the Country will be like Zimbabwe within a few years.

[On the edge]

As far as the animal is concerned it matters not one jot who's name it is killed in , death is death . To place one furry creature in the "protect me " box whilst turning a blind eye to the welfare of his cousin seems a little hypocritical .
To answer those who think the farming community condones the barbarism of the halal slaughterhouse shows how out of touch with reality the average town dweller is . We breed animals for food because we are too damned lazy to go hunting . Vegetarians apart , we are omnivorous as a species and therefore require alarming quantities of protein in the form of meat . The quality of the finished article is directly proportional to the welfare it receives in it's live state and that is only achieved by selfish husbandry , which in turn demands an element of compassion . To then see their hard work simply suffer at the hands of those to ignorant to know different is plainly unacceptable , but outside their control .
Ever wondered where all the songbirds have gone ? Blame the farmer , blame johnny foreigner on the banks of the Mediterranean with his shotgun , even the EU referendum result but how many look at the family cat who has spent the night raiding the surrounding gardens ?
The whole planet is one massive feeding machine and will continue to be so long after we , as a species , have gone the way of the dinosaur .

So then, this justifies cruelty when it is in their control.

I don't think we are too lazy to go hunting for food anymore than we are too lazy to build bourbon cars to go driving! In fact, probably a majority, have no big issue with anyone hunting for food. Just to spell it out, it's hunting for fun that's the issue.

[je suis Charlie]

So then, this justifies cruelty when it is in their control.

I don't think we are too lazy to go hunting for food anymore than we are too lazy to build bourbon cars to go driving! In fact, probably a majority, have no big issue with anyone hunting for food. Just to spell it out, it's hunting for fun that's the issue.

What's a bourbon car? Sounds delicious, is it a special labour thing? Like "this lane reserved for bourbons only". What will the French say? So many questions, so few answers.

[On the edge]

What's a bourbon car? Sounds delicious, is it a special labour thing? Like "this lane reserved for bourbons only". What will the French say? So many questions, so few answers.

Absolutley! Sadly a rather simple answer, just the wretched automatic checker coming up with 'bourbon' for 'our own'.

(I suppose it's a result of Tory cuts to our education system, degraded to the
point where US giant, Microsoft think we can't be trusted to write on our own! )

[SirWilliam]

(I suppose it's a result of Tory cuts to our education system, degraded to the
point where US giant, Microsoft think we can't be trusted to write on our own! )
[/quote]


Conspiracy theory leads one to conclude that if we educate the masses to a level that encompasses simple spelling then they are more likely to question such heady topics as :- why are politicians allowed to breed let alone run a Country ?

[On the edge]

(I suppose it's a result of Tory cuts to our education system, degraded to the
point where US giant, Microsoft think we can't be trusted to write on our own! )



Conspiracy theory leads one to conclude that if we educate the masses to a level that encompasses simple spelling then they are more likely to question such heady topics as :- why are politicians allowed to breed let alone run a Country ?

Well, that might seem odd, but politicians don't run the Country. The country is actually run by the Prime Minister wholly on her own, helped only by stroppy PA and a Graduate researcher. Everything is her decision and responsibility, no one else is involved.

NOTE ironically, there have been a lot of media reports, including on the BBC where politicians, particularly sensible Tory ones' are saying this.

[Biker1]

OTE is correct when he says that the issue is "hunting for fun".
Whether foxes or other wild animals need controlling is a separate issue.
To unearth and then pursue a wild animal to a horrible death in the name of "sport" in the supposedly enlightened 21st Century is unacceptable.
It's all about money and social climbing.
If you want to help to keep this barbaric practice banned (well illegal!)and to bring about further bans on other cruel "sports" look here.
I'll give you one pertinent quote from the site.....
"Foxes are also captured by hunts and kept in ‘artificial earths’ or disused buildings, so they can then be released in front of the hounds during the hunt. This proves that fox hunting is nothing to do with ‘fox control’ or ‘wildlife management’, as the hunts claim, and is purely about providing sport for the hunters."

[SirWilliam]

Well, that might seem odd, but politicians don't run the Country. The country is actually run by the Prime Minister wholly on her own, helped only by stroppy PA and a Graduate researcher. Everything is her decision and responsibility, no one else is involved.

NOTE ironically, there have been a lot of media reports, including on the BBC where politicians, particularly sensible Tory ones' are saying this.

I stand corrected . One learns something new on an almost daily basis . Thank you for the enlightenment .

[Turin Machine]

So then, this justifies cruelty when it is in their control.

I don't think we are too lazy to go hunting for food anymore than we are too lazy to build bourbon cars to go driving! In fact, probably a majority, have no big issue with anyone hunting for food. Just to spell it out, it's hunting for fun that's the issue.

The image of a bunch of West Berkshire's finest floundering around a muddy field, armed, scratching​ their heads and wondering when the pizza season started is somehow appealing and worrying at one and the same time. 🤣

[On the edge]

I stand corrected . One learns something new on an almost daily basis . Thank you for the enlightenment .

Yes, I think we've all learned something about the state of the governing political party at the moment, but that's exactly as its being portrayed.

It beggars belief that this large group of apparently intelligent and assertive individuals could have idly stood by and watched this preventable disaster, certainly for the Country, happen.

So, given this, does anyone still believe these unprincpled, self centred, graspers are fit to run the Country anyway?

[Turin Machine]

Yes, I think we've all learned something about the state of the governing political party at the moment, but that's exactly as its being portrayed.

It beggars belief that this large group of apparently intelligent and assertive individuals could have idly stood by and watched this preventable disaster, certainly for the Country, happen.

So, given this, does anyone still believe these unprincpled, self centred, graspers are fit to run the Country anyway?

Who? Labour? Deffo not.

[On the edge]

Who? Labour? Deffo not.

No dearest, all those TORY MPs coming forward saying Mrs May 'did it all on her own' she simply wouldn't listen to any of them.....in other words, not a lot of point in them even being there at all.

[SirWilliam]

Yes, I think we've all learned something about the state of the governing political party at the moment, but that's exactly as its being portrayed.

It beggars belief that this large group of apparently intelligent and assertive individuals could have idly stood by and watched this preventable disaster, certainly for the Country, happen.

So, given this, does anyone still believe these unprincpled, self centred, graspers are fit to run the Country anyway?

How long has it taken you to reach this conclusion ? Anyone who is arrogant enough to stand for election should be prevented doing so on the grounds of questionable mentality .
The "alternative" though is even worse .
1 President May / Corbyn / Other ?
2. King / Queen having absolute power .
3 Military Junta .
4 Angela Merkel .
5. ISIS
6.Me
7.Other.
My problem is not the competence of those who court our support but the sycophantic grovelling of their respective supporters who wrap themselves round the leg of the top table in order to receive a crumb of acknowledgement and so keep them in power .
The Greeks tried democracy and chucked it in the bin after a couple of years because it didn't work . The problem is no one , even after 3,000 years ,has developed a viable alternative .

[On the edge]

How long has it taken you to reach this conclusion ? Anyone who is arrogant enough to stand for election should be prevented doing so on the grounds of questionable mentality .
The "alternative" though is even worse .
1 President May / Corbyn / Other ?
2. King / Queen having absolute power .
3 Military Junta .
4 Angela Merkel .
5. ISIS
6.Me
7.Other.
My problem is not the competence of those who court our support but the sycophantic grovelling of their respective supporters who wrap themselves round the leg of the top table in order to receive a crumb of acknowledgement and so keep them in power .
The Greeks tried democracy and chucked it in the bin after a couple of years because it didn't work . The problem is no one , even after 3,000 years ,has developed a viable alternative .

As someone often says on this Forum, we deserve what we get.

[newres]

Who? Labour? Deffo not.

I genuinely believe Labour would do a better job at the moment. I don't trust them on the economy, in particular their polarised view of employer/employee. Employers bad, employees good, but I reckon even with that, they will do less damage than May will with her Brexit stance. I met a lady of 82 today who's voted Conservative all her life but voted Lib dem last week because of Brexit.

[On the edge]

I genuinely believe Labour would do a better job at the moment. I don't trust them on the economy, in particular their polarised view of employer/employee. Employers bad, employees good, but I reckon even with that, they will do less damage than May will with her Brexit stance. I met a lady of 82 today who's voted Conservative all her life but voted Lib dem last week because of Brexit.

Wouldn't disagree with that. Sadly the Unions are still being somewhat Luddite. The Ger an example where workers actually sit on boards is far better. Ironically, much more socialist because it treats workers as stakeholders rather than simply wage serfs. Maintaining that combative position means arguably the Unions are supporting the repression of the workers.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Hope the good Lord Buckethead gets a candidate to stand in Newbury at the next election.

His manifesto (worth a read) makes far more sense than either of Labours, the Tories or the Lib Dems.

Vote Buckethead!!!

[SirWilliam]

The bottom line is that Labour promised the moon and the heavens in the supposed knowledge that they would not be put in a position where they had to deliver so the mathematics did not matter . Unfortunately the great unwashed quite liked Mr Corbyn and his bag of gold and decided to give him a go . This , with not a little help from the student vote , very nearly reaped it's own reward . The fact that paying for it would fall on the shoulders of the same young only reinforced the burning question regarding our whole approach to education .
Now we all know that the shires are full of people who would rather sleep with their Mother than vote anything other than Conservative . So we find ourselves in the curious position of a party with 318 seats is deemed a loser and the one with 260 odd the winner * .
Little doubt the May camp showed all the arrogance of a sword wielding gladiator facing a motley crew of slaves equipped only with running shoes but history has shown that strange things happen and all that is needed is for those who voted LibDem to realise it is a wasted exercise and Jeremy could well be our next PM .
One certainty though , from a subjective stance , is that those very foot shooting gaffs as the dementia tax and removal of the triple lock will never see the light of day . Strange bedfellows are the DUP .


* NB. My reference to the education system

[TallDarkAndHands...]

The bottom line is that Labour promised the moon and the heavens in the supposed knowledge that they would not be put in a position where they had to deliver so the mathematics did not matter . Unfortunately the great unwashed quite liked Mr Corbyn and his bag of gold and decided to give him a go . This , with not a little help from the student vote , very nearly reaped it's own reward . The fact that paying for it would fall on the shoulders of the same young only reinforced the burning question regarding our whole approach to education .
Now we all know that the shires are full of people who would rather sleep with their Mother than vote anything other than Conservative . So we find ourselves in the curious position of a party with 318 seats is deemed a loser and the one with 260 odd the winner * .
Little doubt the May camp showed all the arrogance of a sword wielding gladiator facing a motley crew of slaves equipped only with running shoes but history has shown that strange things happen and all that is needed is for those who voted LibDem to realise it is a wasted exercise and Jeremy could well be our next PM .
One certainty though , from a subjective stance , is that those very foot shooting gaffs as the dementia tax and removal of the triple lock will never see the light of day . Strange bedfellows are the DUP .


* NB. My reference to the education system

JC or the Messiah as he is also known will actually be a bit worried. His manifesto was written with the knowledge he couldn't win. His next one will have to be written with the mindset that he may win. And that will create problems for him. He's also far happier as the leader of a protest movement. He wouldn't be happy being in charge.

[The Hatter]

The bottom line is that Labour promised the moon and the heavens in the supposed knowledge that they would not be put in a position where they had to deliver so the mathematics did not matter . Unfortunately the great unwashed quite liked Mr Corbyn and his bag of gold and decided to give him a go . This , with not a little help from the student vote , very nearly reaped it's own reward . The fact that paying for it would fall on the shoulders of the same young only reinforced the burning question regarding our whole approach to education .
Now we all know that the shires are full of people who would rather sleep with their Mother than vote anything other than Conservative . So we find ourselves in the curious position of a party with 318 seats is deemed a loser and the one with 260 odd the winner * .
Little doubt the May camp showed all the arrogance of a sword wielding gladiator facing a motley crew of slaves equipped only with running shoes but history has shown that strange things happen and all that is needed is for those who voted LibDem to realise it is a wasted exercise and Jeremy could well be our next PM .
One certainty though , from a subjective stance , is that those very foot shooting gaffs as the dementia tax and removal of the triple lock will never see the light of day . Strange bedfellows are the DUP .


* NB. My reference to the education system

Winning would mean being able to form a government without help. Bet the Conservatives now regret not supporting our LibDem proportional representation.

[blackdog]

Winning would mean being able to form a government without help. Bet the Conservatives now regret not supporting our LibDem proportional representation.

PR would have left them with over 40 fewer seats - so I very much doubt that they regret that decision.

[SirWilliam]

PR would have left them with over 40 fewer seats - so I very much doubt that they regret that decision.

Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .

[SirWilliam]

Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .

No I don't know either , maybe I meant the SNP ..........Senility is a bugger !!!

[The Hatter]

Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .

People didn't want the LibDem coalition and moaned about it. We got a Conservative government with majority and still they moaned about it. We now have a Conservative government without a majority and still the moaning goes on. What do you want a Labour government? I'd like to see a LibDem/Labour/SNP government, it seems like the only real alternative.

[SirWilliam]

People didn't want the LibDem coalition and moaned about it. We got a Conservative government with majority and still they moaned about it. We now have a Conservative government without a majority and still the moaning goes on. What do you want a Labour government? I'd like to see a LibDem/Labour/SNP government, it seems like the only real alternative.

But that only amounts to 309 seats . 9 short of the present incumbents . Which ever way you cut it the Ulster boys hold sway .
Both Conservative and Labour increased their number of votes , mainly at the expense of UKIP , so I very much doubt if the outcome would change if we repeated the wretched process next week .
Like the EU farce the populace will never be happy with the outcome . Like they say " you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time " ...........But you can try .

[On the edge]

Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .

Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....

[The Hatter]

Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....

A lot of the people I work with feel that way about Labour. One lady who is usually ax staunch LibDem says she thinks if they agree on most things and if they'd had a proper alliance with Labour the result would have been different.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....

Yep. Turkey's voting for Christmas.

[SirWilliam]

Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....

To say the DUP are Tories is rather like suggesting that Attila the Hun was a Seventh Day Evangelist in drag .( Other religions are , I am reliably informed , available ).
I agree quite a few of the 1922 club would like to follow a more right wing strategy but even they know their limitations .
The crazy part of the whole episode is that a party with 10 MPs can dictate to one with 318 and restrict the views of one with 262 .
That's democracy folks .

[je suis Charlie]

Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories;

Tick, tick, tick.....

Didn't stop Brown having nice long cosy chats with them, did it.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

#forthemanymanymanymanymanymany
#thefewwillleave

Just like France and EVERY country that has tried it. Tax take drops. Country worse off. But hey everyone feels better about it all.😂

Not saying that raising taxes on the rich is wrong. Just that you are going to have to stop them leaving. Border control. Thats the answer.😂

[On the edge]

Didn't stop Brown having nice long cosy chats with them, did it.

Of course it didn't any more than Vincie from the LibDems 'had chats'. That's what coalitions are supposed to be about! Not like Cleggy ones, where you have to put on the same clothes.

Fact; Conservatives are Conservative and Unionist party. Conservatives don't like being reminded about their right wing bed partners any more than Labour, who used to get stroppy when anyone mentions Co-op, but at least they only run shops these days.

I can see what TDH finds do funny now. Its like a live Monty Python.

[On the edge]

#forthemanymanymanymanymanymany
#thefewwillleave

Just like France and EVERY country that has tried it. Tax take drops. Country worse off. But hey everyone feels better about it all.😂

Not saying that raising taxes on the rich is wrong. Just that you are going to have to stop them leaving. Border control. Thats the answer.😂

No, let's hold the door open!

Take you TDH, the ulcers you are going to get from worry will be a drain on the NHS, you aren't going to be convinced, so as the saying has it 'we don't want to loose you but we think you ought to go'. Do it now, before it's too late.

[On the edge]

To say the DUP are Tories is rather like suggesting that Attila the Hun was a Seventh Day Evangelist in drag .( Other religions are , I am reliably informed , available ).
I agree quite a few of the 1922 club would like to follow a more right wing strategy but even they know their limitations .
The crazy part of the whole episode is that a party with 10 MPs can dictate to one with 318 and restrict the views of one with 262 .
That's democracy folks .

What's wrong with that? A few days back, the Tories were claiming that one Woman MP could and was dictating to a party with a reasonable majority! Was Mrs M a DUP sleeper all along

[The Hatter]

I had a boss who always claimed he'd triple his salary if he went to the States. When we got taken over by a US firm, he was one of the first to get the chop.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

No, let's hold the door open!

Take you TDH, the ulcers you are going to get from worry will be a drain on the NHS, you aren't going to be convinced, so as the saying has it 'we don't want to loose you but we think you ought to go'. Do it now, before it's too late.

Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.

[je suis Charlie]

Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.

Everyone needs an exit strategy, gold and foreign property are good bets.

[Andy Capp]

Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.

Everyone needs an exit strategy, gold and foreigners property are good bets.

Buk, Buk, bukaaaaaaaaaaaark!

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Buk, Buk, bukaaaaaaaaaaaark!

[je suis Charlie]

Buk, Buk, bukaaaaaaaaaaaark!

Droll, very droll. What passes for humour amongst poor people one supposes. 😯

[Andy Capp]

Droll, very droll. What passes for humour amongst poor people one supposes. 😯

"A poor man wants the oyster
A rich man wants the pearl
But the man who can grin when he hasn't got a thing
He's the king of the whole wide world!"

[je suis Charlie]

"A poor man wants the oyster
A rich man wants the pearl
But the man who can grin when he hasn't got a thing
He's the king of the whole wide world!"

Whatever makes you happy, try buying groceries with a grin though.

[SirWilliam]

"A poor man wants the oyster
A rich man wants the pearl
But the man who can grin when he hasn't got a thing
He's the king of the whole wide world!"

Bet the chap who coined that one didn't want for much . The collective cake is of a given size , ( usually referred to as the GDP ) , and is therefore divisible by the those at the table . Some have a crumb , some have a chunk so big that a few crumbs fall down to the "privileged " few at his/her feet ,and some starve . JC , ( the first one not the present ), must have dined out for a long time on that trick with a loaf of bread and dead fish .

[On the edge]

Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.

Clearly you haven't.

Actually, it's one of my worries. All these 'rich Tories' emigrating and our international reputation plummets. Do you really think Canada or New Zealand wants hordes of miserly old codgers with a sense of entitlement flooding in, swamping their services with all their demands yet not wanting to contribute much save a bit of cash? No, I'd rather have the young and fit we could get in return who are willing to do even menial tasks to help us move forward.

Seriously, liquidate your assets and join your fellow travellers, with our blessing and hope that the wadge lasts long enough.

[On the edge]

Bet the chap who coined that one didn't want for much . The collective cake is of a given size , ( usually referred to as the GDP ) , and is therefore divisible by the those at the table . Some have a crumb , some have a chunk so big that a few crumbs fall down to the "privileged " few at his/her feet ,and some starve . JC , ( the first one not the present ), must have dined out for a long time on that trick with a loaf of bread and dead fish .

In reality, the 'poor' don't actually want much at all. Provision of a half decent home, a job an income they can be content with, a reasonable health service and something that gives the kids the practical basics to survive. Nothing too hard there; it's what 'One Nation' conservatives aspired to provide, not much different truth to tell to the socialist vision.

So as to your cake, us unwashed don't really want anymore than a small slice. Which means that the envy for a bigger cut of the cake comes from those who already have a much bigger slice than everyone else, but still want even more.

Worth thinking about other people and their needs because then you might just find that meeting their needs enable you to protect yours even tighter.

[SirWilliam]

In reality, the 'poor' don't actually want much at all. Provision of a half decent home, a job an income they can be content with, a reasonable health service and something that gives the kids the practical basics to survive. Nothing too hard there; it's what 'One Nation' conservatives aspired to provide, not much different truth to tell to the socialist vision.

So as to your cake, us unwashed don't really want anymore than a small slice. Which means that the envy for a bigger cut of the cake comes from those who already have a much bigger slice than everyone else, but still want even more.

Worth thinking about other people and their needs because then you might just find that meeting their needs enable you to protect yours even tighter.

On the principal that if a man has a penny and you double his wealth by giving him another ,is he happier than the millionaire who has just made £10,000 ? I very much doubt it . We all want to better our living standards but quite simply some are more adept than others at succeeding .
In a perverse case of irony had the third reich achieved it's deplorable aim most of us alive today would come from selective breeding stock and therefore be at the top of the global pile .
Should we all adopt an altruistic approach to the plight of others or continue to support a system of welfare handouts via taxation ?
Maybe the real problem is that modern media brings the plight of others into our homes to the extent our collective consciousness feels compelled to help .

[Andy Capp]

I'd just say that there but for the grace of God go I. I find selfishness will always be recognisable by most and being well off when all around are not, is not as much fun as it sounds.

[On the edge]

On the principal that if a man has a penny and you double his wealth by giving him another ,is he happier than the millionaire who has just made £10,000 ? I very much doubt it . We all want to better our living standards but quite simply some are more adept than others at succeeding .
In a perverse case of irony had the third reich achieved it's deplorable aim most of us alive today would come from selective breeding stock and therefore be at the top of the global pile .
Should we all adopt an altruistic approach to the plight of others or continue to support a system of welfare handouts via taxation ?
Maybe the real problem is that modern media brings the plight of others into our homes to the extent our collective consciousness feels compelled to help .

Lovely society we aspire to eh?

[je suis Charlie]

Ahh, the democratic process,. Labours vision.

"John McDonnell has urged unions to mobilise a million people 'on to the streets' in a bid to oust Theresa May.
The shadow chancellor - who has previously praised London rioters and backed 'insurrection' against the government - said a march would help increase pressure on the Prime Minister.
Left-wing groups are plotting a protest in the capital on July 1 demanding that Mrs May step aside from power - despite the Tories still being by far the largest party in the Commons after the election. "

[On the edge]

Ahh, the democratic process,. Labours vision.

"John McDonnell has urged unions to mobilise a million people 'on to the streets' in a bid to oust Theresa May.
The shadow chancellor - who has previously praised London rioters and backed 'insurrection' against the government - said a march would help increase pressure on the Prime Minister.
Left-wing groups are plotting a protest in the capital on July 1 demanding that Mrs May step aside from power - despite the Tories still being by far the largest party in the Commons after the election. "

........and?

Sorry, but people have always taken to the streets to protest against things they don't like which the majority do. Countryside Alliance and the All in it together Remainers being other examples.

[je suis Charlie]

........and?

Sorry, but people have always taken to the streets to protest against things they don't like which the majority do. Countryside Alliance and the All in it together Remainers being other examples.

Ah, so using the unions to support insurrection on the capitals streets is a good thing. So sorry, should have read JC's little red book earlier.

[Andy Capp]

Ah, so using the unions to support insurrection on the capitals streets is a good thing. So sorry, should have read JC's little red book earlier.

More hysterical rightie cooblers.

[je suis Charlie]

More hysterical rightie cooblers.

Or is it? The truth is out there. Still All Hail King of Cord!