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post May 3 2017, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 3 2017, 08:03 PM) *
For sure, there will always be unscrupulous employers who try to avoid regulation, but that's not an argument not to regulate, just to regulate effectively. The unregulated foreign imports is however an issue, but that's the problem to solve and now that we're unfettered by the EU it's not an impossible thing to impose such tariffs on imports that don't meet our domestic standards, though it would certainly be handy to have some kind of international certification scheme for employee rights and remuneration in the manner of the rainforest alliance for example.

But remember this is about a £10/hour minimum wage, so the impact on producers/suppliers is only the impact that the marginal cost of raising the wages of the staff below that threshold has on the product/service cost, and that's typically going to be quite a small impact. Some market sectors such as agriculture employ a lot of staff on less than £10/hour, but say seasonal pickers have to be paid an extra £3/hour, that's not going to add 11% to the price of the crop as labour is not going to be the only production costs, and by the time the crop is sold in a shop the increase in the harvesting cost is a tiny fraction of the shop price, although the shop also has to add the cost of paying its shelf-stackers the living wage too, but even so the impact of the living wage is likely to be a fraction of a percent, and that's for a product that depends heavily on minimum-wage staff. Take something like buying a new a car when there's almost no one involved in the sale and manufacture supply chain who's on minimum wage and the £10/hour living wage has no impact at all.


But... £10 an hour will just be a starter for "ten". The Unions will strike and want £15 an hour and Corbyn will give in. It will end in tears. Thats the problem when Unions are your paymasters. Anyway its all irrelevant anyway as Corbyn will be out on his ear after the GE. We may even get an electable opposition. You never know.
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post May 3 2017, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 3 2017, 08:26 PM) *
But... £10 an hour will just be a starter for "ten". The Unions will strike and want £15 an hour and Corbyn will give in. It will end in tears. Thats the problem when Unions are your paymasters. Anyway its all irrelevant anyway as Corbyn will be out on his ear after the GE. We may even get an electable opposition. You never know.

But we won't, just more of the same. We get who the union's want and it ain't in there interests to elect a reasonable labour leader. Just another roaring trot allied to the obnoxious momentum thugs.
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post May 3 2017, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 3 2017, 08:26 PM) *
But... £10 an hour will just be a starter for "ten". The Unions will strike and want £15 an hour and Corbyn will give in. It will end in tears. Thats the problem when Unions are your paymasters.

OK, but what you've done there is to stand up a fanciful scenario and then demolish it. Do you not have any well-grounded objection to paying people enough to live on?


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post May 3 2017, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 3 2017, 08:36 PM) *
OK, but what you've done there is to stand up a fanciful scenario and then demolish it. Do you not have any well-grounded objection to paying people enough to live on?

I hardly think the Unions striking is a fanciful scenario. I can guarantee it.😂

And I have no objection. Anyone earning more wont need as much income support. Its just how many people will end up unemployed as a result that needs to be calculated and what that will cost.
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post May 3 2017, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 3 2017, 08:54 PM) *
And I have no objection. Anyone earning more wont need as much income support.

And there you go, we agree. I find the present situation ridiculous whereby the state actually subsidises companies to pay less than a living wage and then tops up the wages with tax-credit benefits - much better just to cut the state interference and allow people the dignity of earning enough to live on.


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post May 3 2017, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 3 2017, 08:54 PM) *
I hardly think the Unions striking is a fanciful scenario. I can guarantee it.😂
And how many people will end up unemployed as a result that needs to be calculated and what that will cost.

Oh, I agree, totally.
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post May 3 2017, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 3 2017, 09:27 PM) *
And there you go, we agree. I find the present situation ridiculous whereby the state actually subsidises companies to pay less than a living wage and then tops up the wages with tax-credit benefits - much better just to cut the state interference and allow people the dignity of earning enough to live on.

To be fair we have been moving towards £10 per hour. No one wants people to be subjugated and poor. But Corbyn is still unelectable because of his ties to the Unions and the incompetent nature of not only him but the people that fill his shadow cabinet. Diane Abbott being a prime example. Her twitter feed is just retweets of morning star articles...
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post May 3 2017, 08:53 PM
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I should be a politician. I have managed in one post to get both Simon and Je Suis to agree.😂
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post May 3 2017, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 3 2017, 09:53 PM) *
I should be a politician. I have managed in one post to get both Simon and Je Suis to agree.😂

Not bent enough.
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post May 4 2017, 05:32 PM
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9.00pm tonight, ITV, Car crash Britain. I think it's a party political on behalf of labour. laugh.gif
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post May 4 2017, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 3 2017, 11:09 PM) *
Not bent enough.

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