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post Jul 6 2009, 05:42 PM
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Allegedly there was some trouble after the Newbury Carnival and also other people described how the atmosphere become sinister later on. Did anyone else notice or see this? I have heard that the there was an obvious Police presence early on but had gone by the early evening. Someone reported that the there was a fight in Northbrook Street that might have been caught on camera.

Although I don't always go, I often see or hear of trouble after big events like the Hennessy Gold Cup or the Newbury Fair. Is it possible that the Newbury's Carnival could be afflicted with yob behaviour as well?
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post Jul 6 2009, 06:32 PM
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It is not only possible but it seems to be a fact. The bigger question is why? Certain people like to test the water and with the police disappearing it gives them more strength and confidence to continue on their troublesome ways. A police presence would have sorted this problem out.

As I said in a previous post; Iíve noticed more drug users, alcoholics and yob behaviour than there ever was before on our streets.
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post Jul 7 2009, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Jul 6 2009, 07:32 PM) *
It is not only possible but it seems to be a fact. The bigger question is why? Certain people like to test the water and with the police disappearing it gives them more strength and confidence to continue on their troublesome ways. A police presence would have sorted this problem out.

As I said in a previous post; Iíve noticed more drug users, alcoholics and yob behaviour than there ever was before on our streets.


I know I keep on saying the same things on this Forum but it is obvious to me and everyone that I know that Newbury is going down the toilet because of criminality, yobs and indiscipline.
When will this Council admit there's a problem and do something about it.


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post Jul 7 2009, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jul 7 2009, 09:54 AM) *
I know I keep on saying the same things on this Forum but it is obvious to me and everyone that I know that Newbury is going down the toilet because of criminality, yobs and indiscipline.
When will this Council admit there's a problem and do something about it.



I agree; and it is so noticeable compared to a few years ago. Many times I've seen shoppers harassed because of either drunks, yobs or some other element. Even more annoying they've got camera's up and that doesn't seem to deter them. They seem to be getting bolder all the time.

People say it is the courts to blame, and I agree to a point, however, that doesn't exonerate our constables lack of interest/ duties.
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post Jul 7 2009, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Jul 7 2009, 10:32 AM) *
I agree; and it is so noticeable compared to a few years ago. Many times I've seen shoppers harassed because of either drunks, yobs or some other element. Even more annoying they've got camera's up and that doesn't seem to deter them. They seem to be getting bolder all the time.

People say it is the courts to blame, and I agree to a point, however, that doesn't exonerate our constables lack of interest/ duties.

You know GMR, it doesn't matter who is to blame, it has to be stopped and dealt with before Newbury and other towns beconme more "no-go 2 areas at night.


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post Jul 7 2009, 09:45 AM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jul 7 2009, 10:41 AM) *
You know GMR, it doesn't matter who is to blame, it has to be stopped and dealt with before Newbury and other towns beconme more "no-go 2 areas at night.



You won't get any argument from me over that.
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post Jul 7 2009, 09:51 AM
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Well Well. Hot Day + Copious Amounts of Alcohol = Fight
I am shocked.
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post Jul 7 2009, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jul 7 2009, 09:54 AM) *
I know I keep on saying the same things on this Forum but it is obvious to me and everyone that I know that Newbury is going down the toilet because of criminality, yobs and indiscipline.
When will this Council admit there's a problem and do something about it.



I may be being thick here, but why the Council?
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post Jul 7 2009, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE (Bill1 @ Jul 7 2009, 11:14 AM) *
I may be being thick here, but why the Council?

No, I don't think you are being thick, It may be me, but my understanding is that the Council as the Authority for the well being and security of our environment has the ability to call on the Police to act on their behalf when their is a clear indication that certain elements of social life is breaking down due to the behaviour of certain members of the local society.
I believe that we have reached that point and Council should be asking the Police to effectively control the Yob culture that has permeated Newbury society especially at night in the town


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post Jul 7 2009, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jul 7 2009, 12:16 PM) *
No, I don't think you are being thick, It may be me, but my understanding is that the Council as the Authority for the well being and security of our environment has the ability to call on the Police to act on their behalf when their is a clear indication that certain elements of social life is breaking down due to the behaviour of certain members of the local society.
I believe that we have reached that point and Council should be asking the Police to effectively control the Yob culture that has permeated Newbury society especially at night in the town


Perhaps they are.
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post Jul 7 2009, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jul 7 2009, 09:54 AM) *
I know I keep on saying the same things on this Forum but it is obvious to me and everyone that I know that Newbury is going down the toilet because of criminality, yobs and indiscipline. When will this Council admit there's a problem and do something about it.

When compared to other districts, West Berkshire is considered as a quiet area. The issues described on here are similar to other areas and are not unusual, albeit undesirable.

One interesting feature of a more 'attractive town', of course, is that it will attract all types, not just the quiet and wealthy. The Kennet Centre had its unruly element, so much so that they employed security to help maintain decorum. I fear that something similar will be needed as Newbury town becomes more popular for activities other than simply shopping.

It is issues like this that make me cynical about the value of living in a growing market town and perhaps people should be careful for what they wish for. Before we get too hysterical, I can remember since the beginning of my adult memory that Newbury has had its rough elements and subsequent drunken yobbish behaviour. What is quite new, however, is drug related crime.
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post Jul 7 2009, 12:54 PM
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Iommi's right on this one. Been around the town a few years meself and it's nothing new. What I think has changed is the age of those involved and causing the problems. They're a lot younger now and a lot braver because they know that all they'll get, even if they do end up getting arrested is a slap on the wrist (again) and a "Don't do it again" (again)!!!!!


Curious about an earlier post relating to our 'constables lack of interest / duties' though? Can anyone elaborate?


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post Jul 7 2009, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE (Roost @ Jul 7 2009, 01:54 PM) *
Iommi's right on this one. Been around the town a few years meself and it's nothing new. What I think has changed is the age of those involved and causing the problems. They're a lot younger now and a lot braver because they know that all they'll get, even if they do end up getting arrested is a slap on the wrist (again) and a "Don't do it again" (again)!!!!!


Curious about an earlier post relating to our 'constables lack of interest / duties' though? Can anyone elaborate?



I was talking to a police officer awhile back and he told me that they have so much paper work that they sometimes have to turn a blind eye just to catch up. Also; a few years ago there was a programme on the same subject that said police were not arresting where they should because of paperwork. I've also been in Newbury when drunks and yobbos were causing trouble and it was witnessed by police officers; they didn't do anything. I hope that clarifies my remarks?

I can also tell you other stories where they didn't act or just turned a blind eye.
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post Jul 7 2009, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Jul 7 2009, 02:23 PM) *
I was talking to a police officer awhile back and he told me that they have so much paper work that they sometimes have to turn a blind eye just to catch up. Also; a few years ago there was a programme on the same subject that said police were not arresting where they should because of paperwork. I've also been in Newbury when drunks and yobbos were causing trouble and it was witnessed by police officers; they didn't do anything. I hope that clarifies my remarks?

I can also tell you other stories where they didn't act or just turned a blind eye.

Yes, but do you think that it is acceptable. I for one don't.
I want a police force that is effective in minimising crime and anti-social behaviour. Not one that ignores it because they are too busy. That's not what I pay for.


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post Jul 7 2009, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jul 7 2009, 03:37 PM) *
Yes, but do you think that it is acceptable. I for one don't.
I want a police force that is effective in minimising crime and anti-social behaviour. Not one that ignores it because they are too busy. That's not what I pay for.



Again I agree with you. Police are there to protect and deal with crime. I'll give you another example of something that happened to me. In February when the snow was down I went to walk the dog at 12.30 am Sunday morning. I witnessed a crime in progress and called the police (999) and was to told to wait outside and a police will be dispatched a car immediately. It was freezing cold and I waited out there for over an hour and nobody came. I made an official complaint but nothing happened. However, I learnt my lesson. I also wrote a letter to the NWN to show my anger but they didnít print it (because, as they said, it was too long). They, the police, could have caught the culprits in the act if they did what they promised; came out immediately. The public have no faith in the police.
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post Jul 7 2009, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Jul 7 2009, 03:45 PM) *
Again I agree with you. Police are there to protect and deal with crime. I'll give you another example of something that happened to me. In February when the snow was down I went to walk the dog at 12.30 am Sunday morning. I witnessed a crime in progress and called the police (999) and was to told to wait outside and a police will be dispatched a car immediately. It was freezing cold and I waited out there for over an hour and nobody came. I made an official complaint but nothing happened. However, I learnt my lesson. I also wrote a letter to the NWN to show my anger but they didnít print it (because, as they said, it was too long). They, the police, could have caught the culprits in the act if they did what they promised; came out immediately. The public have no faith in the police.

Yes, and I can also cite similar examples of a lethargic Police force and an ineffectual justice system.
It is a pity that others on the


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Yes, and I can also cite similar examples of a lethargic Police force and an ineffectual justice system.
It is a pity that others on the Forum think that what we are seeing on our streets is OK. How bad does it have to get before that view gets changed.



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post Jul 7 2009, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jul 7 2009, 03:50 PM) *
Yes, and I can also cite similar examples of a lethargic Police force and an ineffectual justice system. It is a pity that others on the Forum think that what we are seeing on our streets is OK. How bad does it have to get before that view gets changed.

So who on this forum thinks the situation it is OK?
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post Jul 7 2009, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Jul 7 2009, 04:28 PM) *
So who on this forum thinks the situation it is OK?

I don't. I don't think anyone can rely on the police doing anything when it's less than murder.

Maybe the police need a web relations team, like Vodafone (see another post), to pick up on gripes like this.
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post Jul 7 2009, 04:11 PM
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England has the HIGHEST rate of violent crime now in the World.
We are above South Africa and Columbia.

At least we come first in something....... ohmy.gif
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