Help me stop the Pavilion Options

[Andy Capp]

Says 27 members here, not 700.

I think the parking charges at the NDC group showed how quickly people are to protest and how slow they are to provide constructive alternatives for funding to keep the Centre going.

Have you tried this one?

Save Victoria Park Newbury

683 'friends' from all over the world by the looks of it!

[user23]

Have you tried this one?

Save Victoria Park Newbury

683 'friends' from all over the world by the looks of it!

That's not a group, it's a profile.

It's misleading as it says "the possible destruction of much of Victoria Park in Newbury" which of course is not what is being proposed. This highlights the problem with Facebook too. it's not a barometer of local opinion as it's open to everyone worldwide.

If only 683 people from 6 billion object then there's not much problem with going ahead with it.

[Andy Capp]

What method should be used to gauge opinion user23? It seems to me the council have decided it is up to others to disprove, rather than the council show that people approve?

[Cognosco]

That's not a group, it's a profile.

It's misleading as it says "the possible destruction of much of Victoria Park in Newbury" which of course is not what is being proposed. This highlights the problem with Facebook too. it's not a barometer of local opinion as it's open to everyone worldwide.

If only 683 people from 6 billion object then there's not much problem with going ahead with it.

If this project goes the same way as others in the past it will not matter how many object? It will be what 52 people want? yes the local mafia of WBC!

[NWNREADER]

I am hoping to get 2,000 signatures on my petition for the next full council meeting so we can stop this project once and for all.

Title is 'Help me stop the Pavilion'.

You will not stop anything, but you may kick off a requirement for more scrutiny of the decision if many others agree with your reasoning..

What is the significance of 2000 signatures? Just asking, as I do not know.

[Richard Garvie]

Title is 'Help me stop the Pavilion'.

You will not stop anything, but you may kick off a requirement for more scrutiny of the decision if many others agree with your reasoning..

What is the significance of 2000 signatures? Just asking, as I do not know.

The significance is the council had a relatively low amount of support for the project. 2,000 signatures against is what I would call broad objection to the project.

[dannyboy]

The significance is the council had a relatively low amount of support for the project. 2,000 signatures against is what I would call broad objection to the project.

Did they?

Do you have any facts & figures to back this up?

[Richard Garvie]

Did they?

Do you have any facts & figures to back this up?

You just have to look at the response the project had at consultation.

[dannyboy]

You just have to look at the response the project had at consultation.

In other words - no you don't.

[NWNREADER]

You just have to look at the response the project had at consultation.

Go on - tell...... I can't be bothered to look.

I don't think 2000 (or any number significantly less than 50% of the population) is evidence of broad opinion.

[Richard Garvie]

Go on - tell...... I can't be bothered to look.

I don't think 2000 (or any number significantly less than 50% of the population) is evidence of broad opinion.

According to Graham Jones, only a third of responses to the most recent consultation were in favour. Having looked at the consultation documents from 2006, the pavilion had 77% support. But there was no mention of the pavilion being an arts centre!!!

What would member of this forum expect a pavilion to be?

[NWNREADER]

According to Graham Jones, only a third of responses to the most recent consultation were in favour. Having looked at the consultation documents from 2006, the pavilion had 77% support. But there was no mention of the pavilion being an arts centre!!!

What would member of this forum expect a pavilion to be?

A third of responses received, or a third of responses sought? These things are all about the question asked, of whom, and the overall level of interest. If people perceived it was barely more than a second hit at an already-asked question then I can well understand a low turn out. If someone wins an election with only a 38% turnout that doesn't invalidate the result, does it?

I would expect a pavilion to be next to a cricket pitch.

[Richard Garvie]

A third of responses received, or a third of responses sought? These things are all about the question asked, of whom, and the overall level of interest. If people perceived it was barely more than a second hit at an already-asked question then I can well understand a low turn out. If someone wins an election with only a 38% turnout that doesn't invalidate the result, does it?

I would expect a pavilion to be next to a cricket pitch.

How many people would think a pavilion would be an arts centre???

[Bloggo]

How many people would think a pavilion would be an arts centre???

Why wouldn't it be?
A Pavilion could be a venue for many different and varied events including but not exclusively art.

[dannyboy]

The Arts encompass all maner of cultural activities, so I'd expect the Pavillion to have a connection with the arts. Otherwise it would just be a cafe.

[NWNREADER]

How many people would think a pavilion would be an arts centre???

Be, or include?

There is an excellent Pavilion in Brighton, as I remember.........

Then there is Bournemouth Pavilion, Plymouth Pavilions, Hailsham Pavilion, I could go on, but just Google for some examples.
You are hooked up on the name and deciding what the function must be according to a single definition.

[Richard Garvie]

Be, or include?

There is an excellent Pavilion in Brighton, as I remember.........

Then there is Bournemouth Pavilion, Plymouth Pavilions, Hailsham Pavilion, I could go on, but just Google for some examples.
You are hooked up on the name and deciding what the function must be according to a single definition.

The principle is the building of a large building in Victoria Park, essentially a replacement facility for New Greenham Arts. Why not built it somewhere else in town, rather than on a popular area of green specae?

[dannyboy]

I was under the impression the idea of the Pavillion was to get more people into the park by turning over a small part of it to an improved cafe/al fresco restaurant, performance venue etc etc.

[Andy Capp]

If the pavilion, arts centre and all, was built where the Waterside is, there would be no problem as far as I can see. In my view, green space is valuable. They're not making any more.

[massifheed]

How many people would think a pavilion would be an arts centre???

Pretty much anything recreational, it would seem...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavilion_(structure)

I'm not against it as such. But unless it's going to be park related, I think it should go elsewhere.