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post Aug 8 2018, 07:02 AM
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Why on earth should Boris Johnson apologise for what he said about the burka?

It covers the wearers face and so is displaying an arrogant rudeness to anyone the wearer needs to communicate with. There is no religious requirement at all to cover the face and in some cases, it's actually symbolic of repression. On top of this, at this time of heightened national security, it is difficult to identify wearers and, just like the full face hoodie, ought to be restricted.

Some seeking to integrate into our community, with cultures and practices very different to those here in the UK might find this disturbing. However, integration is a two way street and arguably, this is one of the existing communities 'lines in the sand'.

Stifling debate as the PM clearly seeks to do is foolhardy and likely to create even more discontent and tension in both communities than there is already.

For me, this continual denial of real debate on crucial matters of difference is far more damaging to democracy than 'fake' news.


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post Aug 13 2018, 06:05 PM
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From within.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/0...lim-women-like/

Have you Newres, no understanding of the concept of repression?


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post Aug 14 2018, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 13 2018, 07:05 PM) *
From within.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/0...lim-women-like/

Have you Newres, no understanding of the concept of repression?

I was unable to read it as I don’t subscribe. If it is the case that majority of women in the UK that wear the Burka are forced to wear it, then I agree it should be banned. I’ve seen no evidence of that though.
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post Aug 14 2018, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 14 2018, 11:14 AM) *
I was unable to read it as I don’t subscribe. If it is the case that majority of women in the UK that wear the Burka are forced to wear it, then I agree it should be banned. I’ve seen no evidence of that though.


Banning the wearing of the burka would not stop the ideology behind the requirement. I would be far happier if muslim women wore it freely, than not wearing it only to still be under the dominion of their male counterparts. I would be every interested to listen to the "teachings" that are so persuasive as to influence girls to such a degree.


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- On the edge   Apologise? Apologise for what exactly?   Aug 8 2018, 07:02 AM
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- - x2lls   ^^^^^ Previous two posts, very well said indeed.   Aug 12 2018, 11:51 AM
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