Apologise? Apologise for what exactly? Options

[On the edge]

Why on earth should Boris Johnson apologise for what he said about the burka?

It covers the wearers face and so is displaying an arrogant rudeness to anyone the wearer needs to communicate with. There is no religious requirement at all to cover the face and in some cases, it's actually symbolic of repression. On top of this, at this time of heightened national security, it is difficult to identify wearers and, just like the full face hoodie, ought to be restricted.

Some seeking to integrate into our community, with cultures and practices very different to those here in the UK might find this disturbing. However, integration is a two way street and arguably, this is one of the existing communities 'lines in the sand'.

Stifling debate as the PM clearly seeks to do is foolhardy and likely to create even more discontent and tension in both communities than there is already.

For me, this continual denial of real debate on crucial matters of difference is far more damaging to democracy than 'fake' news.

[Strafin]

Thing is though, if you ban face coverings you will have to remove your motorcycle helmet to do all sorts of things. How about a scarf over your mouth when it's cold? Same deal. And that's why we can't ban face coverings. But we can make it unacceptable through persuasion and reasoned debates and discussions. Or just ban religion.

[Turin Machine]

Thing is though, if you ban face coverings you will have to remove your motorcycle helmet to do all sorts of things. How about a scarf over your mouth when it's cold? Same deal. And that's why we can't ban face coverings. But we can make it unacceptable through persuasion and reasoned debates and discussions. Or just ban religion.

Except it has nothing to do with religion rather it has to do with men holding medieval attitudes towards women.

[SirWilliam]

Except it has nothing to do with religion rather it has to do with men holding medieval attitudes towards women.

And there by lies the crux of the matter. Instead of disappearing up there own backsides in an effort to embrace multiculturalism the lefty lovies should be outraged that women in this country are being indoctrinated from an early age to adopt practices that are abhorrent to a civilised society. This is not simply about the questionable dress sense but the whole doctrine that requires females to be chattels of the male.
Little doubt someone will wheel out a quote by an islamic female saying it is her choice, but I would put my pension on her childhood not being as enjoyable as most children's should be.

[newres]

And there by lies the crux of the matter. Instead of disappearing up there own backsides in an effort to embrace multiculturalism the lefty lovies should be outraged that women in this country are being indoctrinated from an early age to adopt practices that are abhorrent to a civilised society. This is not simply about the questionable dress sense but the whole doctrine that requires females to be chattels of the male.
Little doubt someone will wheel out a quote by an islamic female saying it is her choice, but I would put my pension on her childhood not being as enjoyable as most children's should be.

However my understanding is that in this country Muslim women choose to wear it. I appreciate that isn’t the case everywhere and I would be against anyone being forced to wear it. Have you evidence that this is the norm here?

[x2lls]

However my understanding is that in this country Muslim women choose to wear it. I appreciate that isn’t the case everywhere and I would be against anyone being forced to wear it. Have you evidence that this is the norm here?

Where do you get your "My understanding is that in this country Muslim women choose to wear it."?

[newres]

Where do you get your "My understanding is that in this country Muslim women choose to wear it."?

Where do you get your belief that they don’t? And as I said, I would be against anyone being forced to wear anything. I could point you to interviews of women not forced to wear a burqua but it’s just anecdotal. If I believed it was forced I would oppose it. For you lot it’s just another excuse to attack foreigners.

[On the edge]

Where do you get your belief that they don’t? And as I said, I would be against anyone being forced to wear anything. I could point you to interviews of women not forced to wear a burqua but it’s just anecdotal. If I believed it was forced I would oppose it. For you lot it’s just another excuse to attack foreigners.

Except that no one has mentioned foreigners!

There is a body of evidence collected by Social Workers which backs up the abuse of females in these circumstances which has been supressed and hidden for quite some time because of wrong inclusivity direction. Didn't you realise that's what much of the fuss is about in Rotherham and such places?

The choice isn't the one the genteel middle class adolescent girl usually has, 'should I wear this to stand out, or not? More, 'should I wear this, or just take the punishment (physiological or otherwise) instead?'.

Ironically, even the religion in question does not demand these things are worn!

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Except that no one has mentioned foreigners!

There is a body of evidence collected by Social Workers which backs up the abuse of females in these circumstances which has been supressed and hidden for quite some time because of wrong inclusivity direction. Didn't you realise that's what much of the fuss is about in Rotherham and such places?

The choice isn't the one the genteel middle class adolescent girl usually has, 'should I wear this to stand out, or not? More, 'should I wear this, or just take the punishment (physiological or otherwise) instead?'.

Ironically, even the religion in question does not demand these things are worn!

Perhaps we should learn to shut our mouths, for the good of diversity?