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post Apr 7 2012, 07:42 PM
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How about NUKE.... Newbury Under Kirby something....
take care GCHQ are on the ball.
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post Apr 7 2012, 08:27 PM
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Simon this extract from the 2010/11 NTC report does not seem to bear out your assertions about their refusal to discuss self-management. It seems, if this is to be believed, that they have never had a proposal put before them.
As has been widely reported in the press over the last year, one of the Council’s tenants has been in dispute with the Council initially over what the tenant saw as an unfair increase to the allotment rents last year, and then because the council seemingly refused to discuss self-managed allotments. This dispute escalated out of all proportion mainly through misinformation given by the tenant. This dispute has cost the Council some significant sums in legal costs and officer/Councillor time. The unfortunate thing about all this is that the Council has never refused to discuss allotment self-management on the one hand and the Council has never received a proper proposal on allotment self- management to consider.

The 2011/12 NTC report only gives you a passing reference. My question might be that if the Council were on firm ground at the outset as I’m sure they felt they were, why has it cost “significant sums in legal costs”
Last year we reported on the ongoing dispute with one of the Council’s allotment tenants. Regrettably, this dispute has still not been resolved, although we are hopeful of bringing matters to a conclusion in the next couple of months.
I suppose this is Council speak for “He’s on his way out”.
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post Apr 7 2012, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Apr 7 2012, 04:43 PM) *
There is a complete silence from the council OTE. No answer to letters or Emails! Only reply has been as this is a dispute with an individual they will not enter into any correspondence? As there is a possibility of legal action they will not enter into any correspondence regarding allotments. angry.gif


What legal action is pending, or even thought to be possible? Unless there is something definite the response is surely wrong. Everything any Council does is, daily, possibly going to lead to legal action. If that was a basis for non-communication the Councils of the lans would become universally silent.
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post Apr 7 2012, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Apr 7 2012, 09:50 PM) *
What legal action is pending, or even thought to be possible? Unless there is something definite the response is surely wrong. Everything any Council does is, daily, possibly going to lead to legal action. If that was a basis for non-communication the Councils of the lans would become universally silent.


Hasn't Simon taken them to court for their refusal to allow him view of the minutes of a meeting at which he was discussed.
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post Apr 7 2012, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Apr 7 2012, 09:50 PM) *
What legal action is pending, or even thought to be possible? Unless there is something definite the response is surely wrong. Everything any Council does is, daily, possibly going to lead to legal action. If that was a basis for non-communication the Councils of the lans would become universally silent.


This was the reason given for why they were unable to answer questions regarding the allotments crisis!
It would appear that no matter how or what question is posed, regarding the allotments and specifically Simon's allotment problem, they are unwilling to give a reply.

I will be requesting information, especially the minutes of the said meeting, using the FOI Act.
I will request everything the council holds regarding Wash Common allotments especially. No matter how long it may take them to release it! Any suggestions as to what exactly to request?
The problem with this is that it gives them 21 days to reply. By this time it may be too late for Simon.
I have a real suspicion this is what they are hoping for and if they stay quiete it will all go away? angry.gif




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post Apr 8 2012, 10:28 AM
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Ask if there are vacant plots in Wash Common and how to apply. Ask for an introduction to the 'managing group'
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post Apr 8 2012, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Apr 7 2012, 04:43 PM) *
There is a complete silence from the council OTE. No answer to letters or Emails! Only reply has been as this is a dispute with an individual they will not enter into any correspondence? As there is a possibility of legal action they will not enter into any correspondence regarding allotments. angry.gif

Just how do we get any scrutiny? It appears they have slammed the door shut and put up the barricades.
I can just see why Simon tended to lose his temper if they have treated him the same? It appears as if they are a law unto themselves and they have to answer to no one! It must be possible to make them accountable? The more they keep quite on this the more I am convinced they have something to hide! unsure.gif


Agree Newbury Town Council have ceased contact. The 'Scrutiny Committee' is a West Berkshire body and appears to have some statutory relevance. They appear to have a duty to deal with 'Councillors' in their area for WBC and the lower tiers. So, simply sending in a formal request, which would it seems need to be a complaint about one or more of the Town Councillors has to be acknowledged. If it isn't then the Ombudsman does have the power to get involved - because it would then be a WBC matter; that is a failure by the standards committee. Byzantine I know, but of course, these complaint procedures are managed by the very people being complained about! Frankly, I wouldn't expect the WBC 'Standards Committee' to do anything - in this case, its simpl a matter of 'going through the motions' to get the Ombudsman involved.


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post Apr 9 2012, 08:40 AM
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If Simon's version of events is correct then surely NTC are in breach of their own code of conduct - http://www.newbury.gov.uk/code-of-conduct.php ?
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post Apr 9 2012, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE (Jay Sands @ Apr 9 2012, 09:40 AM) *
If Simon's version of events is correct then surely NTC are in breach of their own code of conduct - http://www.newbury.gov.uk/code-of-conduct.php ?


As I read the document, it seems to be directed at individual members of the Council, not the Council itself. Is there a Code for the body as a whole?
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post Apr 9 2012, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Apr 9 2012, 10:10 AM) *
As I read the document, it seems to be directed at individual members of the Council, not the Council itself. Is there a Code for the body as a whole?


The Council also have to comply with the Standards for England guidelines which you can see here: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/...gov.uk/aboutus/

"Standards for England's main task is to ensure that standards of ethical conduct are maintained across authorities."

The Local Authority Ombudsman might be another way forward: "The Local Government Ombudsman looks at complaints about councils and some other authorities and organisations, including education admissions appeal panels and adult social care providers (such as care homes and home care providers). It is a free service. Our job is to investigate complaints in a fair and independent way - we do not take sides."

http://www.lgo.org.uk/




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post Apr 9 2012, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 9 2012, 08:00 PM) *
It was a crown prosecution because it's a criminal matter, but as I posted above the CPS just dropped the case because it wasn't brought in time so unless someone else asks and is also refused we'll never know whether the minutes are being witheld criminally or not.


Anyone know of a decent local newspaper that might, in the interests of it's readers, make such a request to the council?

Admin? You got any thoughts on this?


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post Apr 9 2012, 07:47 PM
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Oh, I'm sure there's a few that work at the N.W.N that are also on the electoral role.

Let's be honest, they could have a go if they wanted to...
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post Apr 9 2012, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE (Squelchy @ Apr 9 2012, 08:47 PM) *
Oh, I'm sure there's a few that work at the N.W.N that are also on the electoral role.

Let's be honest, they could have a go if they wanted to...



A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned all this to a reporter on NWN, at my local. He said he was no longer responsible for the area to which this issue belongs, but would mention it to the reporter who would cover it.

I haven't seen him since, but will ask next time i see him.


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post Apr 10 2012, 09:24 AM
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Some posts have been removed as they contravened the rules of this website - Admin

Please refer to 5C of the Newburytoday.co.uk forum rules where it states that forum members are not permitted to set up links from the forum's site to any other site.
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post Apr 10 2012, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (admin @ Apr 10 2012, 10:24 AM) *
Some posts have been removed as they contravened the rules of this website - Admin

Please refer to 5C of the Newburytoday.co.uk forum rules where it states that forum members are not permitted to set up links from the forum's site to any other site.


Surely that also means people cannot link to WBC and or NTC
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post Apr 10 2012, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE (admin @ Apr 10 2012, 10:24 AM) *
Some posts have been removed as they contravened the rules of this website - Admin

Please refer to 5C of the Newburytoday.co.uk forum rules where it states that forum members are not permitted to set up links from the forum's site to any other site.

Admin, 5C states:

you will not make any commercial or business use of the site or post any material which comprises advertising promotional or marketing material of any kind, nor will you set up any links from the Forums site to any other site.

While it states what you say, people could easily understand that the context of the rule is regards linking to commercial or business promotions.

I do think there was rule breaking of other clauses, but the enforcement of this rule, under these circumstances, looks rather draconian to me. Indeed, I'd say it was an excuse and that the rule has been maladministered.
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post Apr 10 2012, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (admin @ Apr 10 2012, 10:24 AM) *
Some posts have been removed as they contravened the rules of this website - Admin
Please refer to 5C of the Newburytoday.co.uk forum rules where it states that forum members are not permitted to set up links from the forum's site to any other site.


Whilst it may well be on the cards that me old eyesight is going, the only ones removed (that I can remember) are the posts from "Weavers Walk @ Apr 7 2012, 02:08 PM" which did not have any links in it to any other website, and the one just before "Squelchy @ Apr 9 2012, 08:47 PM", which also did not have any links in it. And one from "jaycakes @ Apr 3 2012, 02:52 PM" which detailed his treatment at the hands of an ex Councillor when he went to meet Mr Kirby. That post also did not contain any links to any other web-sites.

Could you tell us why they were removed please? (Just so we know what to look out for and thus don't make the same mistake again)
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post Apr 10 2012, 05:38 PM
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Crikey, that seems to have thrown an Armadillo into the foray.
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post Apr 10 2012, 05:51 PM
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I'm very sorry for the nuisance Admin, and thank you for cleaning up the thread and posting it back up again. I was aware of the rule and should have asked, I apologise.


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post Apr 10 2012, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (admin @ Apr 10 2012, 10:24 AM) *
Some posts have been removed as they contravened the rules of this website - Admin

Please refer to 5C of the Newburytoday.co.uk forum rules where it states that forum members are not permitted to set up links from the forum's site to any other site.


It appears not all links have been removed from posts.

Only posts that reference to a certain lady as far as I can see? Are you Panda...ering to the council perchance? rolleyes.gif


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