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post Aug 2 2013, 03:35 PM
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in the paper version of NWN this week was a letter from K Harvey commenting on the price of milk. Specifically that the major supermarkets charge £1.29 per 4 pints whilst Iceland charges only £1.00.

May I say that Lidl and Aldi also only charge £1.00

!n thatcham at a so called convenience store they wanted to charge me over £1.50 and the container was only 2 litreS rather than the usual 4 pint/2.227 litre normally sold.

But in defence of Tesco/Sainsbury etc I have to admit that when I was recently in Northern Ireland their stores there charged only £1.00. In fact even small village stores did not charge more than £1.05.

To conclude then, it is really the Newbury area that is being subjected to higher prices BECAUSE THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.
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post Aug 2 2013, 03:43 PM
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To conclude then, it is really the Newbury area that is being subjected to higher prices BECAUSE THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

only if you are daft enough to pay £1.29 when there are several places charging £1.00
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post Aug 7 2013, 06:04 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 2 2013, 04:43 PM) *
To conclude then, it is really the Newbury area that is being subjected to higher prices BECAUSE THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

only if you are daft enough to pay £1.29 when there are several places charging £1.00


and last night in a Tesco Local it was £1.39 - another 10p rise!!
are they taking the mickey?
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Andy Capp
post Aug 7 2013, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 2 2013, 04:43 PM) *
To conclude then, it is really the Newbury area that is being subjected to higher prices BECAUSE THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

only if you are daft enough to pay £1.29 when there are several places charging £1.00

Or daft enough to make a special journey to a place just to save 30p, so I'd say the OP has a point.
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post Aug 7 2013, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE (regor @ Aug 2 2013, 04:35 PM) *
To conclude then, it is really the Newbury area that is being subjected to higher prices BECAUSE THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

Yup, that's how a free market works, and shouting about it doesn't change that. Want to pay less? Then buy less.

Farmers complain that it costs them more to produce the milk that the price the supermarkets are willing to pay. Fine, so produce something else, or produce milk more cheaply.

Time was when you would have to labour all day just to afford bread and milk - that's all anyone did (apart from maybe the Lord of the Manor), and farming was so inefficient that at times a day's work would still not pay for a day's bread and milk, and you'd starve to death. Agriculture has become more efficient so now for every hoary-handed son-of-the soil there's a hundred telephone sanitizers, management consultants, and marketing executives and in addition to buying the staples such as bread and milk we still have enough disposable income to afford an iPhone, patio furniture, a Citroen Picasso, and a fortnight in Pierrefitte-sur-Sauldre.

To conclude then, in a free market economy the market sets the price that dynamically balances the consumer's demand against the producers ability to supply.


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post Aug 7 2013, 08:41 AM
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Isn't this just free market economics doing its thing?
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post Aug 7 2013, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 7 2013, 08:41 AM) *
Or daft enough to make a special journey to a place just to save 30p, so I'd say the OP has a point.

Are you saying then that the rest of the prices in Texo are cheaper then Lidl thus negating any saving on milk?

Daft to whine about the price of a single item really.......
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post Aug 7 2013, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 7 2013, 10:26 AM) *
Are you saying then that the rest of the prices in Texo are cheaper then Lidl thus negating any saving on milk?

More of your customary 'homme de paille' wink.gif

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Daft to whine about the price of a single item really.......

What is daft about complaining of a significant increase in a price of a staple food from a major outlet that promotes keen prices? Of course there might be better savings else where, but perhaps that would have been a better opening argument for you? tongue.gif
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post Aug 7 2013, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE (regor @ Aug 7 2013, 07:04 AM) *
and last night in a Tesco Local it was £1.39 - another 10p rise!!
are they taking the mickey?

Convenience stores are always more expensive, but if you go to Tesco Extra now, milk (2l bottles), are 3 for £3.
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post Aug 7 2013, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 7 2013, 11:22 AM) *
More of your customary 'homme de paille' wink.gif


What is daft about complaining of a significant increase in a price of a staple food from a major outlet that promotes keen prices? Of course there might be better savings else where, but perhaps that would have been a better opening argument for you? tongue.gif

not really.



if the OP had been able to show that food prices were more expensive in certain stores in newbury for a range of grocery items I may have given the thread more creedence.

to complain about a loss leader in a few small outlets seems churlish.
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post Aug 7 2013, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Aug 7 2013, 09:39 AM) *
To conclude then, in a free market economy the market sets the price that dynamically balances the consumer's demand against the producers ability to supply.

And in an environment with improved communications, it is perhaps a good idea to bring about pressure by exploiting said technology?

Tesco et al. have created an idea that they will be amongst the cheapest places to shop, it is reasonable to assume that outside special promotions elsewhere, that they will not be making 30% mark-up, but a free market would have the large stores competing with each other, not apparent supporting higher prices.

Having said all that, I tend to shop at Tesco because it is convenient, not because it is necessarily the cheapest, but I would expect them to be within a certain range with the rest. I also understand that Tesco Extra in Newbury make very little money from grocery sales.

The other thing of course is consumer pressure to keep lowering prices inevitably means fewer jobs, or out sourcing. Then we have people complaining of 'scroungers'.
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post Aug 7 2013, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 7 2013, 11:28 AM) *
not really.

Yes really; you tried to install an argument that I never made.

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 7 2013, 11:28 AM) *
if the OP had been able to show that food prices were more expensive in certain stores in newbury for a range of grocery items I may have given the thread more creedence. To complain about a loss leader in a few small outlets seems churlish.

The OP wasn't complaining of the price of his shopping basket, only that an item in it, a staple food item, was much more expensive than he would have expected. I see that as neither 'daft' or 'churlish', as you put it. Perhaps 'naive' would have been more suitable? wink.gif
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post Aug 7 2013, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 7 2013, 11:39 AM) *
Yes really; you tried to install an argument that I never made.


The OP wasn't complaining of the price of his shopping basket, only that an item in it, a staple food item, was much more expensive than he would have expected. I see that as neither 'daft' or 'churlish', as you put it. Perhaps 'naive' would have been more suitable? wink.gif

You were infering that any special journey would only save 30p - as if the milk was the only saving, thus implying Tesco was cheaper on everything else........unless you meant buy everything bar the milk at Tesco & then complete the shopping elsewhere to save 30p...

I know the OP wasn;t moaning about the cost of groceries.....just one loss leader....
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post Aug 7 2013, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 7 2013, 11:35 AM) *
I also understand that Tesco Extra in Newbury make very little money from grocery sales.

have you been talking to GMR again?
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post Aug 7 2013, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 7 2013, 11:44 AM) *
You were infering that any special journey would only save 30p - as if the milk was the only saving, thus implying Tesco was cheaper on everything else........unless you meant buy everything bar the milk at Tesco & then complete the shopping elsewhere to save 30p...

No; you were doing the inferring, I was doing the implying! wink.gif I was implying that it would be a false economy for someone to make a special journey just to buy milk. So correct the second time! smile.gif
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post Aug 7 2013, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 7 2013, 11:44 AM) *
have you been talking to GMR again?

No but I have heard rumours from others that Tesco Extra make their money from no-food (hence my starting the sentence with, "I understand..."). I believe supermarkets operate on very fine margins compared to other commercial concerns.
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post Aug 7 2013, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 7 2013, 01:41 PM) *
No; you were doing the inferring, I was doing the implying! wink.gif I was implying that it would be a false economy for someone to make a special journey just to buy milk. So correct the second time! smile.gif

insinuating....
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post Aug 7 2013, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 7 2013, 01:45 PM) *
No but I have heard rumours from others that Tesco Extra make their many from no-food (hence my starting the sentence with, "I understand..."). I believe supermarkets operate on very fine margins compared to other commercial concerns.

8% apparently.
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post Aug 8 2013, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Aug 7 2013, 09:39 AM) *
Yup, that's how a free market works, and shouting about it doesn't change that. Want to pay less? Then buy less.
Exactly. Newbury is an affluent area so the mainstream supermarkets charge more, that's how the market works. If you want to pay a pound for milk shop buy it in one of the budget shops.

The alternative would be a fixed price for milk which I think would be unworkable as how would you enforce this and why wouldn't you apply it to other grocery items too?
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Andy Capp
post Aug 8 2013, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 8 2013, 08:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Aug 7 2013, 09:39 AM) *
Yup, that's how a free market works, and shouting about it doesn't change that. Want to pay less? Then buy less.
Exactly. Newbury is an affluent area so the mainstream supermarkets charge more, that's how the market works. If you want to pay a pound for milk shop buy it in one of the budget shops.

'User23 ... specialised subject ... the bleedin' obvious!' tongue.gif So in other words, user23 and Simon, are agreeing with the OP's rhetorical question.
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